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The dole is too much!!

Irishcrx

Am I the only one that thinks the dole is far too high in this country, why would anyone want to get a job even if there was any. I have a mate I live it and he has more bloody money than I do and I work 45 hours a week. He has his rent payed for him by the government and pays 30 euro a month himself, and then the extra 200 a week as normal and this is without lifting a finger all he does all day is sleep, eat, smoke and eat and complain about being busy if he has to walk 5 mins to the shop at some point in the next 4 hours.

Do you think the government will be forced to cut the dole payments if the national debt and unemployment keeps rising?

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Sephiroth_dude

mikemac wrote: »

If I ever go on the dole the PRSI I paid over the last few years will pay for me. I scrounge off noone, that money is there for me if my employer lets me go.

So why is Job seekers allowance the same rate for people above a certain age?
The person who paid tax for years get the same rate as someone who never worked a day in their lives?
I want to hear some bleeding heart defend that.

JSA in some circumstances is not the same rate as JSB,its means tested,its there so if people who lose there jobs and dont have enough prsi contributions they apply for this and depending on there circumstances they may or may not get the full amount and just because someone is on JSA does not mean they have not worked a day in there life,like I already mentioned they may not have paid enough prsi.

Stark

midlandsmissus wrote: »

"Enough of this disadvantaged background crap" "We are not products of our environment" How charming.

I hate rich kids who come out with unbelievable crap like 'the poor are lazy and must deserve to be poor'.

There's far more to being disadvantaged than simply being from a lower socioeconomic class. I've seen first hand how social programs based on this preconception can encourage laziness.

One example is the UCC Access program which is offered to students from schools in disadvantaged areas like the one I went to. The idea is noble, you give kids who might not otherwise have had a chance at college a go. Instead of needing points to get in, you write the admissions office a letter saying how you had it tough. The only result I saw from this was students who would have gotten the points anyway, sitting it out for the year and coasting in on 200-300 points when some of them were well capable of 500+. I was one of only 3 people in my school to get more than 400 points the year it was introduced, when in previous years the number was 20+. One of my friends who got in on 240 points despite being highly intelligent and coming from a good family is now a top earner in Google. To an external assessor, this may seem like someone who was given a chance in life they wouldn't otherwise have had. In reality, he would have gotten into college anyway, he just didn't apply himself because he didn't have to.

In addition to all that, I don't know of one kid the program helped who came from a genuinely disadvantage background: broken home, alcoholic and drug addict parents, parents who simply didn't value education, all that jazz. It just enabled laziness in those who came a good background but were able to manipulate bleeding hearts with essays about having only one holiday in England a year and the like.

That's not to say that some efforts don't work. The money pumped into the school through facilities, teaching staff and pastoral care staff gave us the opportunities and start in life that the "rich kids" could only dream of. But in my opinion, the system only worked when we were told we had to work and study hard to get where we wanted. Once the system told us "no you don't have to work or study, we'll look after you", that's when the system failed.

Greyfox

professore wrote: »

The kind of people that are all high and mighty about the dole are also the same ones who have dad standing behind them with a big wallet if they can't find a job.QUOTE]

Your just been silly now, it sickens me to know that their are still SOME people out their that can't be bothered to look for a job while so many of us with full time jobs are killing ourselves trying to survive. Simply put the country it too fecked up now to afford to pay such a riddiculously high amount of money to people for doing absolutely nothing

squod

In fairness people are forgeting the bleedin' obvious.

People have rights. People have the right to a bleedin' job IMO!

If this was forties europe those bank dudes and politicians would be swinging from trees now, instead of lookin' for dough off us. **** the dole, I want those dudes responsible to cough it up and gimme a bleedin' job. Now!

mikemac

I'm far from rich.
A holiday for me was a day out in Salthill park in Galway. Now who remembers that :P

And I did mention all the extra expenses that are involved in education and the grants and I'm aware that were cut/abolished this year.

Where did I post

'the poor are lazy and must deserve to be poor'.

Take your issues about your childhood to Personal Issues forum, it's.............>that way

midlandsmissus

mikemac wrote: »

Enough of this disadvantaged backgrounds crap, we are not products of our environment.
Everyone gets a free eduction, well free apart from books and uniforms but there used to be grants for some of this.
Actually the uniform probably saves parents money and there is less peer pressure for the latest clothes and gear
In the Leaving Cert points system you are a number, get the points and you'll your desired course.

If I ever go on the dole the PRSI I paid over the last few years will pay for me. I scrounge off noone, that money is there for me if my employer lets me go.

So why is Job seekers allowance the same rate for people above a certain age?
The person who paid tax for years get the same rate as someone who never worked a day in their lives?
I want to hear some bleeding heart defend that.

"Enough of this disadvantaged background crap" "We are not products of our environment" How charming.

I hate rich kids who come out with unbelievable crap like 'the poor are lazy and must deserve to be poor'.

Due to my parents divorcing, my dad fecking off to England and refusing to pay any maintenence for our upkeep, we were poor. Through no fault of my own, or my mums.

Seeing as we were never rich during the Celtic Tiger, and I watched plenty of Daddys little princes and princesses swanning around with their nose in their air, I have no pity for any of them now.

Free education - you're having a laugh right?

mikemac

An Taoiseach BC wrote: »

The current rates are certainly being reviewed by the government at this time to create a fairer system which will be of far more benefit to those with less means or from economicaly or socialy disadvantaged backgrounds.

Enough of this disadvantaged backgrounds crap, we are not products of our environment.
Everyone gets a free eduction, well free apart from books and uniforms but there used to be grants for some of this.
Actually the uniform probably saves parents money and there is less peer pressure for the latest clothes and gear
In the Leaving Cert points system you are a number, get the points and you'll your desired course.

If I ever go on the dole the PRSI I paid over the last few years will pay for me. I scrounge off noone, that money is there for me if my employer lets me go.

An Taoiseach BC

Dear boards.ie users.
I hope I may clarify a few things mentioned in this topic.
If your are made un-employed and have at least 39 PRSI contributions made, you may sign on to Jobseekers Benefit.
This payment is not means tested and currently stands at roughly €204 p/w. You can recieve this for a limited time only, if your PRSI contributions have been used up and you wish to continue recieving payment you must then apply for Jobseekers allowance.
This is a means tested payment. A 20 year old, living with parents, with one parent working earning 50k p/a will be in reciept of roughly 50 p/w.
The payment for Jobseekers Allowance will be increased if the client has less means i.e. Both parents on Jobseekers Allowance or a similar social welfare payment.
I hope this clarifies some mis-information.
The current rates are certainly being reviewed by the government at this time to create a fairer system which will be of far more benefit to those with less means or from economicaly or socialy disadvantaged backgrounds.
Is mise le meas,
Brian Cowen

BizTalker

Fiii wrote: »

The PRSI I paid in 2007 is what is paying for my Job Seekers Benefit right now, that's what it is there for.
Present from the Government? When does this sham of a government we have give anything to anyone besides grief?

edit: I think we all use 'dole' as a blanket statement for any kind of benefits. Just for the record, the benefits I got was just Job Seekers Benefit, which is paying for by the PRSI I paid.

I shall hereby agree with you that this Government is the worst nightmare of all times. I am getting furious myself by the thought that the next budget will bring even more pain to each and every one of us living in this Country. Even crime rate is getting higher, thanks to the "Big Heads" up there.

Fiii

BizTalker wrote: »

Your JB is funded by your PRSI but if you are in receipt of a dole payment then sorry my friend it's a present from the Government to you

The PRSI I paid in 2007 is what is paying for my Job Seekers Benefit right now, that's what it is there for.
Present from the Government? When does this sham of a government we have give anything to anyone besides grief?

edit: I think we all use 'dole' as a blanket statement for any kind of benefits. Just for the record, the benefits I got was just Job Seekers Benefit, which is paying for by the PRSI I paid.

BizTalker

Fiii wrote: »

You really have no idea, do you?
I paid for MY dole with MY PRSI. That is where my dole comes from, certainly not from you or anyone else!
Do you even pay tax or PRSI for heavens sake? Because if not, you have NO place making comment on any of us that do/did!

I understand your annoyance at those who 'work' the system, I feel the same way, but you are tarring us all with the same brush, and that is just not fair.

Your JB is funded by your PRSI but if you are in receipt of a dole payment then sorry my friend it's a present from the Government to you

Fiii

Fol20 wrote: »

I know i didnt pay for your dole..Im only a mere student working part-time on min wage to get myself through college..Im just saying that people have to pay for the money you get from the dole..

You really have no idea, do you?
I paid for MY dole with MY PRSI. That is where my dole comes from, certainly not from you or anyone else!
Do you even pay tax or PRSI for heavens sake? Because if not, you have NO place making comment on any of us that do/did!

I understand your annoyance at those who 'work' the system, I feel the same way, but you are tarring us all with the same brush, and that is just not fair.

edit: when I say 'dole' I mean Job Seekers Benefit - just for clarification

Fol20

Fiii wrote: »

I tried my best not to reply to this thread until now, but this comment really peed me right off.
You think YOU pay for MY dole??? I think not dear. I paid my tax and PRSI in full for 10 straight years. I paid for my own dole thank you very much.
Fi

I know i didnt pay for your dole..Im only a mere student working part-time on min wage to get myself through college..Im just saying that people have to pay for the money you get from the dole..

Fair enough if your looking for a job and are on the dole less than a year,,but when people take advantage of the system or still live the high life even on the dole,it annoys me..I know there are honest people on it as well but the dishonest,who are on the dole the longest get the most money off tax payers,and it bugs me a load.

thebman

professore wrote: »

The kind of people that are all high and mighty about the dole are also the same ones who have dad standing behind them with a big wallet if they can't find a job. These are the same people who have been screwing the rest of us during the boom and now want us to suffer again to bail them out. You know who you are.

No the aren't, my parents could easily bail me out so to speak and I have a degree but I'm not for cutting the dole. Nor do I accept money from my parents or am I on the dole because I don't believe I need it ATM.

I can survive off my savings for the moment though not for much longer.

professore

The kind of people that are all high and mighty about the dole are also the same ones who have dad standing behind them with a big wallet if they can't find a job. These are the same people who have been screwing the rest of us during the boom and now want us to suffer again to bail them out. You know who you are.

thebman

Too many dumbo's in this thread that don't know what PRSI is TBH :-/

Johnnnybravo

Fiii wrote: »

I tried my best not to reply to this thread until now, but this comment really peed me right off.
You think YOU pay for MY dole??? I think not dear. I paid my tax and PRSI in full for 10 straight years. I paid for my own dole thank you very much. If I didn't, I wouldn't be entitled to it. Try to educate yourself before you spout out a load of rubbish like that.

I, like MANY others, was put in a very awkward position this year and was let go from my job that I had worked very hard to get.
I worked my tail off through 4 years of college, got my dream job and worked my tail off in that also.

Do you actually think that we all WANT to be on Job Seekers benefit? (Oh, and for the record, the clue is in the title...Job Seekers. You have to prove you are actively seeking work).
I do not get my rent paid for, I do not get a medical card, I do not get free public transport as some uneducated people seem to think I do.
I get 204 a week, and that is it.
I am living away from home, paying rent, bills etc. Now I am fortunately one of the lucky ones who doesn't have a mortgage or loans or children to pay for, so 204 a week did me just fine, but it was not by any means easy!
I feel terribly sorry for anyone with a family to support living on those benefits.

There is a HUGE difference between scroungers who have never worked a day in their lives and do not intend to, and those who lost their jobs this year due to the economy and would like nothing more than to be back working.

So climb down off your high horse, because I can safely say that nothing you have done effects my benefits that I worked bloody hard all these years to earn.

I, very luckily, got a phonecall today, telling me I have a job, after only 3months of being without one.
To any of you out there still looking, I wish you all the luck in the world, and I hope you are managing on what you do get. I know it's not easy. Try to keep your heads up.

Fi

Well done on the job Fii! Delighted for you:)!

lisa2002

The dole might be too high compared to some countries, but to put id down now would be an absolute disgrace to the people that have worked and paid taxes for years and now find themselves out of work and no options due to the recession. Yes people that have been scrounging for years when there was plenty of work do not deserve the 200 euro but to take it from the others would be very unfair

Fiii

Fol20 wrote: »

What other people do definitely affects you,,who do you think is paying for your dole?Who are the voters who affect what politicians can/cannot do to the dole.Everything is interlinked whether you like it or not.

I tried my best not to reply to this thread until now, but this comment really peed me right off.
You think YOU pay for MY dole??? I think not dear. I paid my tax and PRSI in full for 10 straight years. I paid for my own dole thank you very much. If I didn't, I wouldn't be entitled to it. Try to educate yourself before you spout out a load of rubbish like that.

I, like MANY others, was put in a very awkward position this year and was let go from my job that I had worked very hard to get.
I worked my tail off through 4 years of college, got my dream job and worked my tail off in that also.

Do you actually think that we all WANT to be on Job Seekers benefit? (Oh, and for the record, the clue is in the title...Job Seekers. You have to prove you are actively seeking work).
I do not get my rent paid for, I do not get a medical card, I do not get free public transport as some uneducated people seem to think I do.
I get 204 a week, and that is it.
I am living away from home, paying rent, bills etc. Now I am fortunately one of the lucky ones who doesn't have a mortgage or loans or children to pay for, so 204 a week did me just fine, but it was not by any means easy!
I feel terribly sorry for anyone with a family to support living on those benefits.

There is a HUGE difference between scroungers who have never worked a day in their lives and do not intend to, and those who lost their jobs this year due to the economy and would like nothing more than to be back working.

So climb down off your high horse, because I can safely say that nothing you have done effects my benefits that I worked bloody hard all these years to earn.

I, very luckily, got a phonecall today, telling me I have a job, after only 3months of being without one.
To any of you out there still looking, I wish you all the luck in the world, and I hope you are managing on what you do get. I know it's not easy. Try to keep your heads up.

Fi

angel01

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

Cheers Angel! None of us are down and out yet so we may keep positive and hopefully meself and your lad may have a new job for xmas

All going well

Johnnnybravo

Cheers Angel! None of us are down and out yet so we may keep positive and hopefully meself and your lad may have a new job for xmas

angel01

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

God angel I know exactly what you mean by big struggle, even reading it I was like yep theres someone who knows what a pain month end is!! Hope your OH finds something soon:) I know not that easy but staying positive helps.

Thank you. It has been a long time now and there isn't much out there, just have to keep going. Every month is a struggle but we have a roof over our head and we keep going. I hope you find something soon

Johnnnybravo

angel01 wrote: »

No I don't think it is too much, my OH is on the dole and we have barely enough to live on , every month it is a big struggle but we get by (just about), to be honest, if I didn't have the job I do have, we would have sunk by now

God angel I know exactly what you mean by big struggle, even reading it I was like yep theres someone who knows what a pain month end is!! Hope your OH finds something soon:) I know not that easy but staying positive helps.

angel01

No I don't think it is too much, my OH is on the dole and we have barely enough to live on , every month it is a big struggle but we get by (just about), to be honest, if I didn't have the job I do have, we would have sunk by now

Johnnnybravo

Fol20 wrote: »

What other people do definitely affects you,,who do you think is paying for your dole?Who are the voters who affect what politicians can/cannot do to the dole.Everything is interlinked whether you like it or not.

Good for you for applying to the enterprise boards,they can be very helpful if you have the right ideas,and i wish you all the best in your plans

Cheers Fol. Also I paid for my own dole when I paid my taxes for 10 years and only claimed on them this year.

Fol20

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

. What anyone else does has no impact on my life so my 200e should have no impact on yours so who cares. Some say its too much others say its not honestly I no longer care. Im in the course of speaking with the enterptise boards about setting up my own company yay for me, begrudgers and stats wont be holding me back.

What other people do definitely affects you,,who do you think is paying for your dole?Who are the voters who affect what politicians can/cannot do to the dole.Everything is interlinked whether you like it or not.

Good for you for applying to the enterprise boards,they can be very helpful if you have the right ideas,and i wish you all the best in your plans

Johnnnybravo

irish_bob wrote: »

why bother quoting my post when you didnt adress a single part of it

Im done fighting over it. Quote me whatever you want statistics, I dont care, youve no say over what money I get. Quote what ya want believe what ya want do what ya want I dont care. I get 200 quid so what, Im sick a justifying meself. I dont have to Im a decnt person with a great education and well paid up on me stamps. What anyone else does has no impact on my life so my 200e should have no impact on yours so who cares. Some say its too much others say its not honestly I no longer care. Im in the course of speaking with the enterptise boards about setting up my own company yay for me, begrudgers and stats wont be holding me back.

irish_bob

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

Im done fighting over this, I got some sh%tty news this morning so in the grand scheme of things I dont really care about this argument anymore.

why bother quoting my post when you didnt adress a single part of it

Johnnnybravo

irish_bob wrote: »

the dole here is 300% of what it is in the uk , the cost of living in ireland is about 130% and at most 150% of what it is in the uk

Im done fighting over this, I got some sh%tty news this morning so in the grand scheme of things I dont really care about this argument anymore.

irish_bob

Johnnnybravo wrote: »

well theres no comparison, its not even the same currency, I believe it to be a stupid argument. No comparison between the costs of living here or the UK so Im amazed at people using it as part of an argument.

the dole here is 300% of what it is in the uk , the cost of living in ireland is about 130% and at most 150% of what it is in the uk