bayviewclose wrote: » What has rising unemployment got to do with it. Dell outsourced their operations to another country. And then you had Waterford Crystal and many other companies That statement Coir made was not challenged by FF speaker. Nor was the fact about Irish Fisheries being dead as an industry. And he challenged pretty much everything else.
bayviewclose wrote: » Its claimed by Yes Side that a No Vote will discourage foreign investment. Yet it actually increased after last vote while going down in Spain after they ratified the treat.
Martin 2 wrote: » I'm not going to deal with Spain because it's a different country with a very different economy and I don't know a lot about it and I doubt either do you or anyone else on this forum. Taking Ireland on it's own. Yes since June 2008, over 6000 jobs have been created in FDI however that does not mean they were generated as a result of the No vote. -What would the job increase have been had we voted Yes? the multinationals have said that the No has already had a negative effect so that would seem to imply it would have been greater.... everything is relative! -We are having a second referendum, which has given us a stay of execution in he eyes of the international investment community and the expectation is that we will pass Lisbon the second time. A final No vote is likely to have a more damaging effect. -A lot of those jobs that have come on line of the last year were probably in the planning stage for the last 4 to 5 years, to see the full effect on the multinational sector will take a certain amount of time. -One thing is for sure, the multinational and business communities are saying that a yes is more likely to help the investment and a no more likely to damage it. How is voting No better for the economy or foreign direct investment? .
nesf wrote: » That means absolutely nothing! Anyone picking out one year and saying that represents a trend while not taking into account other factors present in these economies is talking ****.
bayviewclose wrote: » Okay lets look at the case of Dell. Outsourced to Poland where wage bill was lower. Did that have anything to do with No vote?
Zenemy wrote: » What makes me angry is that the good law abiding citizens, who are totally entitled to their view and opinions, are so sure that the government acts in the people's best interests. What about the recent health service scandal...? Who benefits? The people? Bank scandals? NAMA? Are you sure people? Without listing all the dodgy deeds of our rulers, I have seen enough evidence to happen to believe that our government (and others) is being lined up as some sort of puppet for europe. Is it OK with you 'Pillars' that I think that? Shouldn't my view be taken into account as a reasonable one? Instead of (uneducated) idiots coming on here and ridiculing No voters as 'Loonies and Right/Left Extremists' You dozey gets really sicken me, do some research. WAKE UP IRELAND, WE BUILT THE WORLD WE CAN FIX THIS COUNTRY!
Scofflaw wrote: » There's a five year lead time for FDI in Ireland. See, for example, here. Anyone claiming any FDI results in respect of the Treaty, either way, is talking through their hats. You're looking at the results of sales processes that started in 2004. cordially, Scofflaw
bayviewclose wrote: » Yes since June 2008, over 6000 jobs have been created in FDI however that does not mean they were generated as a result of the No vote. Who said the No vote generated an increase. By those figures, No vote didnt have an adverse effect on FDI sector right?
bayviewclose wrote: » Whats annoying is that people fronting these campaigns (and I assume not EVERYTHING the yes campaign say is Gospel) spouts these figures which turn out to be misleading. I mean these campaigns are heavily funded so we can assume they have researched their facts before putting them out. I understand a lot of it is to do with spin but its annoying.
bayviewclose wrote: » Well you can have two papers owned by same company but who have different Ideologies.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » No they can have different markets, the ideology would be the same I think the murdock empire is enough proof of that.
bayviewclose wrote: » Well tribune and Independent a good example. Two different ideologies there.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » if you mean the sunday tribune and irish independent, they are owned by different companies sunday tribune http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunday_Tribune owned by: tribune newspapers Irish independent is owned by independent news and mediahttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Independent now they both have offices on talbot street and may share the same building (havnt confirmed it), in which case it would have been the more apt choice for Coir to use as an example rather then today fm and newstalk, but he didnt.
In 1993, the group bought into the Sunday Tribune, in which it now owns 98% of the issued share capital and over which it has considerable influence. As INM technically only holds 29.9% of voting shares and so lacks management control, it does not consolidate the results of the Tribune, which is loss-making, with accumulated losses of around 45 million euro since acquisition[2].
BlitzKrieg wrote: » do you mean Tony O'Reilly? I cant find any link between the two papers beyond former editors moving from one to the other? Do you have a link for me to back up your claim please? EDIT: there we go just found it
but he's the only one paying all the Sunday Tribune's salaries and bills. Which explains why it shamelessly, just a fortnight ago, poked a five-page dig at O'Reilly's corporate rival Denis O'Brien who is trying to take over Sir Anto's INM. The Sunday Tribune has deceptively swapped good news reporting for opinion and cheaply-found tabloid stories of human interest.... as expected O'Brien came away without even a bruise.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » that article proves my point though, since taking over Reilly has changed the newspaper to be more in line with his own goals and policies
CliodhnaB wrote: » im voting no anyway. Doesnt show alot of hope for us if there willing to ignore our choce to reject it. the union are pushing it on us until we take it. It may seem postive. i think the consequences would be bigger!!!!!:P
CliodhnaB wrote: » im voting no anyway. Doesnt show alot of hope for us if there willing to ignore our choce to reject it.
CliodhnaB wrote: » clearly we have different views here.. this is how i see it.
bayviewclose wrote: » This will interest you so. A Tipperary Farmer seeking a judicial review in attempt to stop Lisbon two vote given that he feels it is a "breach of the constitution".http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0901/eulisbon.html
