EIRCOM WILL block its internet customers accessing the Pirate Bay website from September 1st, but other internet service providers (ISPs) have refused a similar request from Irish record labels
devildriver wrote: » It's no longer a free country unfortunately. Also moving to BT is not going to solve the problem. BT have offloaded all of their residential customers to Vodafone and their T+Cs explicitly state that you cannot use P2P on their network.
blubloblu wrote: » There are sites out there that have around longer than the pirate bay have where child porn is routinely posted. You must be naive to think justice is swiftly delivered in some of the more corrupt countries in the world. So, you're incorrect and my point still stands.
PacketLife wrote: » I haven't read all the posts on this thread. I'm all for blocking child porn sites and all sites that promote exploitation of vulnerable people and locking their owners and patrons up in a very dark hole for the rest of their natural lives, but that is not what is happening here. Musicians only see a tiny portion of the money from their own music (Sometimes only 20c in the Euro). RIAA, MPIAA, IRMA and by extension Sony, EMI, etc. are going after ISPs to screw end users and sites that do not pay them to protect their lions share of other peoples creative works. The worst part is that governments are supporting them. Mark my words. Very soon all ISPs will be issued with a list of sites that they have to block by law or face hefty penalties. These lists will be in part authored bu IRMA, RIAA, etc. I defy anyone to argue that most of them will be child porn or exploitation sites!
jenizzle wrote: » tbh, I just can't wait for the ingenious ideas people will come up with when this kicks in. Its not a matter of IF people can d/l, it's HOW!
watty wrote: » You don't block the road. You get a warrant and raid the building.
watty wrote: (* However it's the duty of anyone HOSTING such a site to shut it down)
PacketLife wrote: » Mark my words. Very soon all ISPs will be issued with a list of sites that they have to block by law or face hefty penalties. These lists will be in part authored bu IRMA, RIAA, etc. I defy anyone to argue that most of them will be child porn or exploitation sites!
projectmayhem wrote: » What happens if a bunch of people all group together and tell Eircom etc. to block boards.ie for allowing people to post bad natured comments against companies? Should they still block it? Or do we look at that differently, because IMO it's pretty much the same thing.
Cabaal wrote: » Ah not really now. Copyright infringement is illegal end of, if a site "links" to warez and are advised of this they should remove said links....TPB clearly do not do this. Boards.ie on the other hand has removed remarks that would leave it open legally in the past but more recently recent legal rulings means that this has been relaxed and as such boards.ie remains within the law. Oh and boards.ie will ALWAYS remove links to warez when notified of them. In short not the same thing so please don't try to compare them as such.
projectmayhem wrote: » You're right, they are different, but my point was more along the lines of groups shutting down services rather then addressing them. TPB doesn't share anything illegal. It merely facilitates it through the torrenting technology. It's only a tracker. There's plenty of illegal materials there, and a lot of LEGAL materials (torrents have saved me the pain of downloading large game patches from EA etc. so many times). TPB is the same as any torrent tracker like isoHunt etc., the difference is that TPB is the biggest and go out of their way to flout how great they are publicly, which annoys RIAA and MPAA officials.
stesh wrote: » Eircom has done this because it was compelled to do so by a high court order.
Eoinsheehy wrote: » I'm curious will using a proxy let you use TPB
Gerard_Smith wrote: » Here is a question lady's and gents out of all the broadband providers in Ireland which one would you switch to in protest to this?
ntlbell wrote: » wow, what's the weather like up there.
ntlbell wrote: » as mentioned all ready a simple ssh tunnel will get around anything eircom or any other isp bring in
projectmayhem wrote: » Here's the thing, though... and it was the argument of BT & UPC regarding their decision to not follow the eejits in Eircom; there is absolutely no legal provision for our ISP's to to be ordered about by IRMA/RIAA (who are, in essence, just unions; not legal bodies). What happens if a bunch of people all group together and tell Eircom etc. to block boards.ie for allowing people to post bad natured comments against companies? Should they still block it? Or do we look at that differently, because IMO it's pretty much the same thing.
vibe666 wrote: » the internet is global. no one company or law enforcement agency can do anything on a global scale (yet) to do anything effectively to combat piracy via bittorrent. as long as there are countries out there who are willing to host torrent sites, torrenting will live on. by it's very nature the whole thing is decentralaised anyway, so how do they plan on stopping it? shut down a torrent site and it will either pop up somewhere else (as TPB has already done) or others will move in to replace it (as with suprnova) and the whole thing will continue on until someone figures out how to cripple the whole thing totally, at which point someone will come up with a new more secure/safer way of doing things (the same way torrents were born into the mainstream after kazaa etc. went pear shaped) or go back to an old favourite (newsgroups, ftp etc.). i'm fairly sure that i read that someone was actually working on decentralising torrent trackers and websites too, so that would make the whole thing totally viral (and pretty much unstoppable).
watty wrote: » Proxies and VPNs let people in China, Burma etc access whatever they want and post whatever they like. Hence the Chinese wanting all young peoples's PCs loaded with the Green Dam "key logger" and "site blocker" that sends what the user is doing to the "party".
Proxies and VPNs let people in China, Burma etc access whatever they want and post whatever they like. Hence the Chinese wanting all young peoples's PCs loaded with the Green Dam "key logger" and "site blocker" that sends what the user is doing to the "party".
