mikom wrote: » I'm sure your ould lad could prescribe something for that. Probably give you a discount on the €50 as well.
Blue_Wolf wrote: » Perhaps the average doctor doesn't. But, my father spent 12 years in college. I was wrong to generalise but I don't like idiots to put hard working people down. 50euro for 20minutes does not go straight into the pocket. The overheads are huge. People who make stupid comments annoy me.
NewApproach wrote: » Doctors studied for many years, ammasing a vast knowledge of the body and how it is treated. This so called 'rip off' is the price you pay for this knowledge. Just because something is expensive does not make it a rip off. Far from it. As someone said, you cant put a price on health.
Blue_Wolf wrote: » You are an idiot! They have really expensive insurance, they pay tonnes and tonnes of tax, they spent over 15years in college (which costs a fortune) They spent 10years working the good guts of 24hour shifts and feck all money. So ya after all the hard work they spent 25 years learning how to do their job and save lives you have begrudge them just because you didn't bother working hard for something in life. If anything you should be moaning about tradesmen who spent 3 years learning a trade charge more than doctors do and dont even do the job properly. Take your head out of your ass.
MYOB wrote: » GPs do not spend 15 years in college, nor do they spend 10 years doing the kind of shifts hospital doctors do post-qualification. You do a medical degree (generally 5 years), then a 4 year GP training programme - of which the last two years are in a surgery as a GP trainee. After that you are fully qualified. After 7 years you are a "GP", albeit a trainee and after 9 you're fully qualified. That is a HELL of a long way off the 25 year figure you've pulled from somewhere. The first two years of the GP training programme are the ones with 24 hour shifts in hospitals - not anywhere near the ten years you've suggested either. You can also work as a GP here with a MB equivalent from another EU country and a CSTAR. You could in theory have both of these done in about 6 years...
Shelflife wrote: » I think that the general point being made is that nearly every business has made cutbacks on prices and margins, we (selfemployed) are all working longer hours for less and by and large we are all accepting that. however it would appear that GPs (and dentists imo) have not taken a reduction in their margins and have not reduced their prices.
ejmaztec wrote: » In an effort to save money, many more people are turning to homeopaths, and other practitioners of alternative medicine these days, as is evident by an ever-increasing number of these in business around the country. Some people frown on these practitioners, and others don't. Some GPs must be getting a little concerned.
Shelflife wrote: » many other service providers have studied for many years amassing a vast knowledge of the service that they provide as well. yet they have been forced to cut margins and pay. the heath care industry appears to have not cut their margins.
Svalbard wrote: » Concerned that people with potentially serious medical problems will present late due to wasting their time with quacks.
eth0_ wrote: » I am a woman. €50-70 is the going rate for female haircuts in Dublin.
bogview wrote: » 100% the point being made....there has been no attempt by doctors to give any reduction in theses difficult times like all other business:mad:
chocgirl wrote: » I agree completely that this is happening but I genuinely find this mentality so difficult to understand. Why would anybody turn from conventional evidence based medicine to alternative practitioners. Homeopaths are generally more expensive than GPs for an initial consultation and haven't had the aforementioned training. Is it that they think they're annoying the doctors? Punishing them because they're not saving any money, probably cost more in the long run when they end up having to go back to their GP.
ejmaztec wrote: » As I said, some people frown on the alternative practitioners, and others don't. Our GP has more than conventional medicine covered in his repertoire, also delving into homeopathy. Some people with serious medical problems don't even bother going to their GP due to the cost.
Svalbard wrote: » The question isn't conventional versus alternative medicine - the only medicine that matters is evidence based. If there is no credible scientific evidence that a particular treatment works, be it paracetamol or bee pollen, a doctor has no business advocating it's use.
ArthurGuinness wrote: » Why should doctors reduce what they charge they have already taken cuts on what they recieve from the government for medical card holders and that being said, those who really cant afford to see there GP are covered mainly by the medical card scheme. While were at it why not have a pop at dentists to I was charged €70 for a clean and check up the last time I went but was happy to give my money to such a health care provider. It seems to me the people who complain about not being able to afford to go to the dr and such are the ones you see falling out of the pub on a saturday night.
ejmaztec wrote: » Poor devils with those overheads so huge, they can barely afford to live on the meagre pittance that they shovel into the back of their Mercs.:eek:
ArthurGuinness wrote: » My uncle is a GP and he drives a 02 Ford Fiesta ( Altough it is a high spec Ghia model lol) And my personal GP drives a 00 Skoda
spuddy wrote: » GP visit in France, €22 (for those not covered by the healthcare system). GP visit in Ireland, €55 (150% more) I don't get it.
iguy wrote: » In My local medical centre,there is five gp's plus seven nurses(also two parttimers that work when its busy)it also has an array of other medical practictioners(specialists)twelve in total of different qualifications(something like the clinic on rte1,just much bigger) Anyways i'll get to my point,a visit to a regular gp costs €88.50(call out to home €97) visit to the nurse costs between €50 and €63(call out to home €70)the other medical specialists are bill pay at a maximum of €190 and a minimum of €35 prescription charges apply,and charges do vary,sometimes there is no prescription charge at all...medical card holders get free treatment,however they have to wait to see any specialists...anyways i think the above prices are absolutly ridiculous!!!
MYOB wrote: » I'm well aware what the overheads are (I am one... an overhead that is ), and I also know that the GMS scheme does basically underpay a doctor for how often medical card holders visit. Private only practices charge 30-35 for the same consultation usually, as they're not having to subsidise medical card patients. I've a customer who opened his own surgery at 28 so it is entirely possible to be through and out the other side in 10 years or less.
