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Could Ryanair move from Dub-Shannon when M7 is finished

veryangryman

Yes i know anythings possible...

But think about it...Shannon is not much further away from Dub than Beauvais is from Paris, Reus from Barcelone etc..all popular Ryanair flights

And O Learys been on DAA's ass this last lifetime about what a rip off they are to be associated with.

If he done a deal with Gobus (per example) and could get travellers over to Dublin in 2 hours or so from there... who knows..

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invincibleirish

Gruffalo wrote: »

I worded that badly alright. I think he might concentrate growth on Kerry rather than Cork. It would not be an extra 90 minutes for everyone who uses Cork airport. For some of those people, Cork would not be a whole lot closer than Farranfore.

Besides people thought that Girona, Stanstead and Beauvais were mad ideas.

Yes i see what you're saying, but would O' Leary provide a low cost base at Kerry when Shannon is literally up the road? i based that 90 minute figure on the AA route planner from Cork City - Farranfore, anything west of that is getting closer to Farranfore then Cork Airport but the N22/72 corridor is rather sparsely populated in comparison.

Gruffalo wrote: »

I would imagine it is a concern but then so is Cork's massive debt.

Corks debt is onerous but manageable i would guess given its passenger numbers.

serfboard

I think the OP asks a perfectly valid and logical question given Ryanair's ability to use a perverse notion of geography in order to flog seats. Sure weren't they in trouble for saying that they flew to "Copenhagen (Malmo)", when not only was the airport not in the same city, it wasn't even in the same country.

Barcelona (Girona) are 100Km apart, for God's sake.

By their logic, they could easily say Dublin (Shannon) or even Dublin (Aldergrove). And I agree with others, for us, it seems a long way. For tourists, (and that includes us abroad) Ryanair have proven that they couldn't care less, if the price is right.

Of course, Ryanair would also love the publicity they would get from making such a suggestion (remember their stupid "no phone chargers in the office" or "passengers standing" stunts - ha ha).

When the M7 is completed, Ryanair probably will use it as a bargaining tool with Dublin to get a better deal.

On thing I reckon will definitely happen is that the PSO review, and the completion of the M18, will see Shannon kill Galway.

Gruffalo

veryangryman wrote: »

Good point. Kerry not that far from Cork for such a move. But i dont think he has as big a beef with Cork as with Dublin. Although the DAA does control both so...

I dont think he cares in the slightest about a beef. Kerry Airport knows it will not keep the PSO forever so they will probably look at low charges to get more flights in.

It also has some strong points e.g. Farranfore has a train station. Which other airport has a train station that close. And it is not that far from Cork. Some parts of Cork are propbably as close to Farranfore as they are to Cork Airport. Some parts of Limerick are probably as close to Farranfore as they are to Shannon. If it was played right, Kerry could do alright.

Gruffalo

invincibleirish wrote: »

Rather unlikely i'd say, seeing as Ryanair only fly to London, Dublin and Liverpool from Cork. Move those flights to Kerry and i'm sure some other entrepreneurial Airline will fill Ryanairs place in Cork. Who is going to travel an extra 90+ minutes to Farranfore for short haul flights?.

I worded that badly alright. I think he might concentrate growth on Kerry rather than Cork. It would not be an extra 90 minutes for everyone who uses Cork airport. For some of those people, Cork would not be a whole lot closer than Farranfore.

Besides people thought that Girona, Stanstead and Beauvais were mad ideas.

Kerrys main concern is the imminent abolition of the PSOs i'd say.

I would imagine it is a concern but then so is Cork's massive debt.

invincibleirish

Gruffalo wrote: »

In time, I could see them moving their flights from Cork to Kerry.

Rather unlikely i'd say, seeing as Ryanair only fly to London, Dublin and Liverpool from Cork. Move those flights to Kerry and i'm sure some other entrepreneurial Airline will fill Ryanairs place in Cork. Who is going to travel an extra 90+ minutes to Farranfore for short haul flights?.

Kerrys main concern is the imminent abolition of the PSOs i'd say.

veryangryman

Gruffalo wrote: »

In time, I could see them moving their flights from Cork to Kerry.

Good point. Kerry not that far from Cork for such a move. But i dont think he has as big a beef with Cork as with Dublin. Although the DAA does control both so...

Gruffalo

In time, I could see them moving their flights from Cork to Kerry.

Gruffalo

I cannot see that happening but I do think Limerick will see good growth when the economy picks up again, due to the infrastructural improvements such as the motorways. Galway probably will too. This is likely to see an increase in destinations and flights to and from Shannon.

Godge

If the Limerick tunnel bypass was north of the river rather than south of the river they would be fifteen minutes nearer South Dublin. That fifteen minutes could have made all the difference.

sonyair

If ryanair does move down it will only be a protest or if the SAA say how high when michael says jump.
It would be nice to have some of the routes that dub have, its not as it aer fungus is going to come mid-west.
Come on mick bring them all down!

Zoney

I suppose they might try it for flights *to* Ireland but it would hardly succeed from Ireland.

Shannon should be renamed Limerick Airport (or Limerick Shannon Airport) anyway as that's the nearest major population centre, and Shannon isn't immediately obvious location-wise to those abroad given that the river traverses half the country - without looking at a detailed map of Ireland it's not obvious there's a little town called Shannon too.

veryangryman

Alun wrote: »

Right, so if I wanted to fly to say, Manchester, I'd first have to travel 250km in the wrong direction, only to then fly twice as far, using twice as much fuel back in the direction I first came from. Yes, I could see how that might work

Just saying theyve done madder things over the years... Why do you think anyone travels home via Beauvais when Paris has 2 airports up the road from your hotel

Alun

Right, so if I wanted to fly to say, Manchester, I'd first have to travel 250km in the wrong direction, only to then fly twice as far, using twice as much fuel back in the direction I first came from. Yes, I could see how that might work

markpb

veryangryman wrote: »

If he done a deal with Gobus (per example) and could get travellers over to Dublin in 2 hours or so from there... who knows..

I know it works in reverse (Irish people flying to Beauvais) but I have my doubts about whether it would work here. I assume (based on the population of Ireland) that about half of his Irish customers live in the GDA. If they had to travel at least two hours from the city centre, it would be more attractive to fly Aer Lingus or another carrier.