gaeilgebeo wrote: » Also, if you're doing a job interview with a hibernia qualification and another applicant has a B.Ed from St.Pats or Mary I, who do you honestly think will be choosen? QUOTE] I wouldn't agree with your point on interview selection .....depending on teaching degree & college where qualified from ......I've sat on many interview boards for teachers and the successful candidates have been from St. Pat's, Mary I. Marino, Froebel, Hibernia & UK trained.............no one college stood at as outstanding or 'above the others'........I've seen interviewees from St. Pat's & Mary I who hadn't a clue what they were talking about...not clear on curriculum...class management...special needs....class organisation etc. & I've interviewed excellent (successful) candidates from Hibernia & UK colleges......the opposite has also happened on some occasions. The College one gets the degree from is not going to automatically get you a job...or have you ranking above others before the interview begins....I think the personality of the individual, knowledge of curriculum & school, interpersonal skills, interest in teaching, being able to work as part of a team, willing to listen to advice, seek help & advice if needed, basic 'cop on' etc. is what gets people the job......that's the way it has been on any interview panel I've ever sat on.
pokerface11 wrote: » I am thinking of starting a postgrad in primary teaching be it in Mary I or Hibernia.
elle B wrote: » pokerface11, if it is what you think you want to do, try it out. do some voluntary work in a school, they would probably be glad of the help now. I tried it out but I went to a disadvantaged school and a special school to get away from the stereotypical classrom scenario and get a broader picture of different students on different learning levels. It still was interesting and rewarding though I was only helping out. This is what should make you decide, ther eare no jobs i nany career at the mo. and as for the comment someone made about hibernia, disregard that. I have a friend and a relative both primary principals are both said initially hibernia had alot to prove being an online course but in the past few years are proving well by producing the highly trained teachers with the best of skills and updat eto date training practices. eg white boards ave been on the hibernia curriculum since day 1 and are only being recently introuced in other such colleges. S it is not right to jump and down hibernia college. It is recognised by teh dept. of education and scienceand you do need a degree and honour in honours irish at leaving cert level to get on this course too. along with your training and skills learned on any course, it is you who makes a good teacher or not.
gaeilgegrinds wrote: » Are there any stats to back this up? My mother has employed 4 of 5 newbies with Hibernia qualifications as her latest teachers and my aunt has only employed them since they started coming out qualified. I've no experience of anyone who did Hibernia sitting on the shelf but 3 of my friends from school who went straight to training college are now unemployed after taking a year out...
luckat wrote: » Do what you love. That way you'll get work, even if it's part-time at first, and then you'll gradually move up. If teaching is what you really love to do, go for it.
TaxiManMartin wrote: » Friend of mine is a vp in a fairly big school in Dublin. My sister was picking his brains on becoming a teacher. He said that Fully qualified people are the only ones with even a sniff of a chance of a job. Very few schools are hiring now. Any that are have hundreds of applicants for jobs. He can only see it getting worse and told her not to even bother trying to get into teaching. Oh and he laughed at her when she mentioned hibernia. Said if he could swap the hibernia ones he already had out of the school, and some new people in he'd be delighted. His final quote was good "Only a hibernia teacher rates hibernia teachers."
elle B wrote: » ust passing on what I have been told re hibernia
TaxiManMartin wrote: » Oh and he laughed at her when she mentioned hibernia. Said if he could swap the hibernia ones he already had out of the school, and some new people in he'd be delighted. His final quote was good "Only a hibernia teacher rates hibernia teachers."
Rosita wrote: » I am surprised at this because it implies strongly that the period of training of a teacher is more important than their personality or adaptability which I always thought assumed was a huge part in making a teacher. On another note - bearing in mind that there is bound to be a slight element of intellectual snobbery towards Hibernia - is higher education now the only sector in Ireland where graduates of state run facilities look down on their private counterparts? Normally people are queuing up to bore you with "I'm in the private sector, I'm a real risk-taker and I'm great because standards there are so much higher and everyone has to work so much harder than that over-paid under-worked unsackable crowd in the public sector", but in terms of educational qualifications it seems to be a different matter. Perhaps if we ever get to the stage where the majority of students are in privately-run institutions the general consensus will shift the other way as I suppose people tend to rate whatever they have been through themselves. Just for the record I am neither a primary teacher nor a prospective one, so what I say is genuinely impartial.
TaxiManMartin wrote: » There was no snobbery about it. He was actually making the point on the quality and length of the training, rather than the type of training. He said the quality of the hibernian graduates just does not compare with those who are fully qualified. And now that there is no shortage of teachers anymore, he doesnt have to put up with having to hire them anymore.
Rosita wrote: » I'd say there is snobbery about it. There's always snobbery about theses things.
Rosita wrote: » Otherwise he would have also dismissed the graduates of the post-grad courses in the colleges like St Pats/Mary I which run for the same length of time as Hibernia as being inadequately trained.
Rosita wrote: » The use of the phrase "fully qualified" is gas, because the average Hibernia graduate will be more educated than most of their peer group in a school considering that they will have had a primary degree in the first instance.
Rosita wrote: » And let's remember that there are many principals/vice-principals out there who did just a two-year diploma (which was the case until the mid-70s) and were "fully qualified" at 19/20. Many such people are by the standard your man applies inadequately trained and by general standards rather moderately educated.
Rosita wrote: » I spoke to a Principal teacher in a local primary school last Autumn and he said he didn't rate Hibernia because "I know nothing about the internet". He then conceded that he had a teacher in the school who came that route and was very good. But he was dismissing the course from a position of utter ignorance of it. There would be a lot of that about I'd say.
Rosita wrote: » Fair chance the teacher you cite doesn't have the first notion either of what goes on in the training for that course but is welded to a particular point of view and if a Hibernia graduate walked on water he'd say it was because he couldn't swim.
TaxiManMartin wrote: » I thought it was nearly 2010 now. They should be well able to teach by now i think.
Rosita wrote: » Don't be so coy about the date - you are correct, it's August 2009. But thanks for making my point for me in a nutshell. People develop quite quickly through experience - which is why your friend's blind spot of dismissing people as teachers on the basis of the length of their academic course is bunkum. I'd say you could teach all that can be taught to a person about teaching in 18 months - which is more teacher training than any secondary teacher has. The rest they must learn through experience at the coalface as they go along.
TaxiManMartin wrote: » Wow. Not a very bright post. Speaks volumes.
Rosita wrote: » I'd say you could teach all that can be taught to a person about teaching in 18 months - which is more teacher training than any secondary teacher has. The rest they must learn through experience at the coalface as they go along.
