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Young Male drivers

Lord Derpington

What is the story with this crap, im sick of hearing on the radio and in the papers that because i am a young male driver I;

1) I drive too fast
2) Im going to kill any girl in my passanger seat

I mean as if the radio add where "he drives, she dies" wasnt enough now this weekend under the Bank holiday road safety crackdown

The campaign is also calling on the families and friends of young male drivers to put pressure on them to drive safely

I understad there is a stastic out there but at the same time, personally; ive never been in an accident and i see misktakes being made by other drivers every day on the road.
I by no means claim to be a brilliant driver, but there are a lot of terrible drivers out there that are not young male drivers.
I think these campaigns attacking young males have taken it a bit far.

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Edit: If only this was passed and enforced..

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jameshayes

We're all as bad as each other - young males are the easiest target tho

DamoDLK

Stats man, ya cant argue with the stats... roll on 25 for me!

Dartz

I like going for the high-score on those 'Your speed is->' signs

oldyouth

As a group, it is the case that young male drivers are faster than the average and also have more accidents where passengers are injured. I know many individual male drivers under 25 who are better drivers than I am and are more careful on the road than I used to be at their age. Unfortunately, there are others who tip the odds the other way

Pace2008

It's partially because young males are statistically more probable to be in a serious car accident, and partially because young, white, heterosexual males are the last portion of the population whom you can discriminate against.

You know that if there was a road safety ad saying 'Women: learn how to correctly navigate roundabouts and use your ****ing indicators' there would be uproar.

Fink Goddie

Pace2008 wrote: »

It's partially because young males are statistically more probable to be in a serious car accident, and partially because young, white, heterosexual males are the last portion of the population whom you can discriminate against.

You know that if there was a road safety ad saying 'Women: learn how to correctly navigate roundabouts and use your ****ing indicators' there would be uproar.

Well how often does that cause a death, so there would be no need really.
speed is the main factor in road deaths!

aido179

This one really pisses me off. Im a young male driver (17 and driving on a full license for work 5days a week). Without sounding self righteous, I consider myself a safe driver. The insurance companies dont take the right information. Why should i have to pay for the shit driving of the shams around the country...?

dionsiseire

Its a disgrace really, im with hibernian for insurance, and im paying them just a few euro's under a grand per year, without the ignition test it was 1300

I have completed their ignition test with flying colours, im fully licensed, but im a bloke and 24, driving a 1.0 car (i know but i was hoping for cheaper insurance by doing this)

I have a female friend of 23, also driving a 1.0 engine car, she has a full license but has not passed any extra tests to prove ability, she pays 420

Where is the fairness in that, women might be better drivings, but they are not THAT much better, and considering i passed an extra test just to bring myself down from 3 times her premium to double her premium, i find it an absolute disgrace

Wasnt so long ago women were campaigning for equality of pay etc etc, but it seems that insurance being so sexist is absolutely ok in the business world

**Timbuk2**

Men drive more kilometres on average than women. Men also have more crashes, but this is as a result of driving a greater distance.

If the stats were produced in "crashes per kilometre" instead of "crashes per year" it would be women that are the worst drivers.

Fink Goddie

Its just risk assessment, Insurance companies have to generalise based on the statistics.
What other alternative do they have?

Giblet

I find increasingly that older men are the ones more likely to have a few pints and drive, because that;s what they've always done.

AnonoBoy

Easy way to get around getting screwed by your insurance company when you're a male driver under 25:

Just get older.

dionsiseire

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Easy way to get around getting screwed by your insurance company when you're a male driver under 25:

Just get older.

Your right, hold on till i close my eyes and wake up 34, back in a jiffy :rolleyes:

Lord Derpington

Fink Goddie wrote: »

Well how often does that cause a death, so there would be no need really.
speed is the main factor in road deaths!

Speed might be the main factor in road deaths, by the logic that the idea that the faster you are traveling the more likely you are to die.
But for road accidents crap like this from drivers too lazy to indicate or get in the right lane can cause accidents.
Poor observation to the point of complete lack of awareness and no idicators in the time i have seen this have always been lady drivers, i by no mean that women cant drive ect ect.

They very much can but some are as bad/worse than men. I had a "girl racer" up my arse no so long ago in a pink Honda Civic drivin like a spanner and to think her insurance is probably at least 1/2 mine :rolleyes:

AnonoBoy

dionsiseire wrote: »

Your right, hold on till i close my eyes and wake up 34, back in a jiffy :rolleyes:

Silly boy. You only need to be 26. You just wasted 8 years asleep.

Fink Goddie

greenfly wrote: »

Speed might be the main factor in road deaths, by the logic that the idea that the faster you are traveling the more likely you are to die.
But for road accidents crap like this from drivers too lazy to indicate or get in the right lane can cause accidents.
Poor observation to the point of complete lack of awareness and no idicators in the time i have seen this have always been lady drivers, i by no mean that women cant drive ect ect.

They very much can but some are as bad/worse than men. I had a "girl racer" up my arse no so long ago in a pink Honda Civic drivin like a spanner and to think her insurance is probably at least 1/2 mine :rolleyes:

That may cause a crash yeh but how often would it cause deaths?
I'm sure there are girl racers, but there are way more men that drive aggressively, the insurance companies are not being sexist for the fun of it, the statistics spell it out.
there's no arguing with it really.

ya-ba-da-ba-doo

Im 17 & male. I have my provisional licence and have booked my test. The reason im booking it is because when i do have the money for a car it will bring down the insurance. I got quoted a month ago for a 1.1 litre ford fiesta. Over 3000. WHAT A JOKE!!

Ghost Train

Here's the main statistics

Drivers responsable for fatal/serious injury collisions 1996-2004

39% Male 17-24
25% Male 25-34
12% Male 35-49
4% Female 17-24
4% Female 25-34
3% Female 35-49

http://www.rsa.ie/publication/publication/upload/speed_mess_3rd_a4_jul07.pdf

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DamoDLK wrote: »

Stats man, ya cant argue with the stats...

oldyouth wrote: »

As a group, it is the case that young male drivers are faster than the average and also have more accidents where passengers are injured. I know many individual male drivers under 25 who are better drivers than I am and are more careful on the road than I used to be at their age. Unfortunately, there are others who tip the odds the other way

But... Would it be acceptable to say: "Women, be careful of black men; as - based on statistics - you are more likely to be raped by a black man than a white man "

This is similar to what's happening to ALL young male drivers..

TestTransmission

dionsiseire wrote: »

Its a disgrace really, im with hibernian for insurance, and im paying them just a few euro's under a grand per year, without the ignition test it was 1300

I have completed their ignition test with flying colours, im fully licensed, but im a bloke and 24, driving a 1.0 car (i know but i was hoping for cheaper insurance by doing this)

I have a female friend of 23, also driving a 1.0 engine car, she has a full license but has not passed any extra tests to prove ability, she pays 420

Where is the fairness in that, women might be better drivings, but they are not THAT much better, and considering i passed an extra test just to bring myself down from 3 times her premium to double her premium, i find it an absolute disgrace

Wasnt so long ago women were campaigning for equality of pay etc etc, but it seems that insurance being so sexist is absolutely ok in the business world

24,1 litre car and ur paying just under a grand?u are getting robbed

AnonoBoy

Dario Hollow Ham wrote: »

But... Would it be acceptable to say: "Women, be careful of black men; as - based on statistics - you are more likely to be raped by a black man than a white man "

Eh...... what statistics in Ireland show that? :rolleyes:

Tigger

however much the stats and ads and cops pick on you young men
rember its the pinacle of humabnity and therefore life

Lord Derpington

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Eh...... what statistics in Ireland show that? :rolleyes:

Your missing the point, he is not saying that there is a stastic to show it.
But rather if there was, would it be accectable to say it?
To promote it on the radio, TV and newspaper? I very much doubt it

Tigger

greenfly wrote: »

Your missing the point, he is not saying that there is a stastic to show it.
But rather if there was, would it be accectable to say it?
To promote it on the radio, TV and newspaper? I very much doubt it

there is no history of the subjegation an' misrepresentation of young men

Fink Goddie

greenfly wrote: »

Your missing the point, he is not saying that there is a stastic to show it.
But rather if there was, would it be accectable to say it?
To promote it on the radio, TV and newspaper? I very much doubt it

If every weekend it was happening then yeh i think it should be promoted on the radio, TV and newspaper.
But yeh you're right it wouldnt be accepted here, because you cant say anythin about black people without it being seen as racist.

Loomis

dionsiseire wrote: »

Its a disgrace really, im with hibernian for insurance, and im paying them just a few euro's under a grand per year, without the ignition test it was 1300

I have completed their ignition test with flying colours, im fully licensed, but im a bloke and 24, driving a 1.0 car (i know but i was hoping for cheaper insurance by doing this)
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jackncoke wrote: »

24,1 litre car and ur paying just under a grand?u are getting robbed

This!

You are being absolutely ravaged by them! I'm 24 and had insurance for a year on my second provisional and it was just over €1100 with Asgard who I got quoted through insure.ie.
After a year's no claims bonus they dropped the price to €950 and then down to €730 when I passed my test. 3rd party fire and theft I might add. At the time I got the quote I checked other companies; even with the full license hibernian quoted me €1500!
I changed my car from a 99 Punto to a 1.2l 2006 Fabia Sport and also changed to fully comp and with Asgard it still comes in under a grand. Having my license less than a year that ain't bad. I'd change who you're with asap tbh.

Actual campaigns to pressure young drivers into driving carefully? That's absolutely pathetic.

kowloon

greenfly wrote: »

What is the story with this crap, im sick of hearing on the radio and in the papers that because i am a young male driver I;

1) I drive too fast
2) Im going to kill any girl in my passanger seat

Well I don't know about the rest of you but I generally do kill the girl in the passenger seat, but it's for entirely different motives and not due to my driving; I'm usually parked in a dark siding somewhere.

dionsiseire

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Silly boy. You only need to be 26. You just wasted 8 years asleep.

pffft you cant time travel in 2 year segments, it had to be 10 years at a time, its like physics or something like that

Lord Derpington

Tigger wrote: »

there is no history of the subjegation an' misrepresentation of young men

How is this revelant at all?
How would the subjugation or misrepresentation of somone in the past, effect wether or not they could now be publicisied as part of a stastic now?

AnonoBoy

dionsiseire wrote: »

pffft you cant time travel in 2 year segments, it had to be 10 years at a time, its like physics or something like that

You are wise beyond your years Sir. I bow to your superior time-travelling knowledge.