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crisco10

This happened in the match in the RDS on saturday:

After a bit of aerial ping pong, Earls kicked the ball from inside his own 22 but mis hit it so it bounced around the Munster 10 yard line. Now luke was running to catch it but it hopped over his head, luke then jumped and reached to catch it. He failed but it did hit his hand (but went backwards off his hand).
Now the ref must have called it a charge down thus meaning all the munster players hanging around the halfway were onside (due to the bout of ping pong that proceded it). The reason i think the ref called it is that all the munster players "woke up" at the same time.

My question is how was it a charge down? Luke was trying to field the kick and failed. if he had caught the ball the munster lads would have been offside surely? So how were all the munster players onside? This worked out as a big advantage to munster as they suddenly had about a 6 on 2 situation. (not that this makes a difference)

oh and the munster players were 10 yards away from where the ball landed (if that matters).

if anybody has the match recorded, it happened just before Munster's period of pressure on the Leinster line before halftime.

Thanking you...

curts82

Accident offside, scrum

big neilly

If the opposition kick the ball, it hits one of your players in the face and bounces forward into your hands are you offside?

mikedragon32

That is playing the ball on the ground. Any attempt to play the ball must be by a player with both feet on the ground.

jumpguy

I've a question, if you go to clear a ball out of a turned over ruck, but kind of half-fall on the ground (like one knee is on the ground to reach over and grab the ball out of the ball carrier's hands) is that playing on the ground? What is playing on the ground then?

Crash

Aye, its like the one about being able to score a try with your feet in touch if you're grounding a ball that has rolled into the try area - that'd be a pain in the hole to enforce at top level, let along amateur.

Tim Robbins

Crash wrote: »

So for free kicks once first phase is over its back to normal rules, but in first phase you can't take a drop kick, is that correct?

Absolutely. Now see the reaction in a J4 game or a youth match, when it happens :-)

Crash

So for free kicks once first phase is over its back to normal rules, but in first phase you can't take a drop kick, is that correct?

Tim Robbins

Sundy wrote: »

I dont think you can take a drop goal straight off a scrum either.

Yes you can. Unless it was a free kick and the team opted to take a scrum.

See Law 9, method scoring.

Law 9.a.1:
Dropped Goal. A player scores a dropped goal by kicking a goal from a drop kick in general play. The team awarded a free kick cannot score a dropped
goal until the ball next becomes dead, or until an opponent has played or touched it, or has tackled the ball carrier. This restriction applies also to a scrum taken instead of a free kick.

Sundy

d'Oracle wrote: »

What a question......(first one)

Of course Drop goals can be scored after first phase.
There were about 10 running up to O'Garas in the 6N.
Unless we have different definitions of what a phase is.
But you can have a dink anytime bar a dropout, Kickoff or free kick, so I assume that if the quick line out is fair game, then the drop goal is.

Good luck getting the time to throw in to your self and line up a drop in range of the posts with out getting creamed and then jumped on by your teammates.......

I dont think you can take a drop goal straight off a scrum either.

Tim Robbins

mikedragon32 wrote: »

You can't kick a drop goal from the restart. If the ball goes into the in-goal area the receiving team has the option to continue play or ground the ball. If they ground it, they have the option to scrum back at the halfway.

Note: they must to ground it immediately, if they dilly dally, it's a 22.

Law:
13.15
(c) If they opt to ground the ball or make it dead, they must do so without delay. Any other action with the ball by a defending player means the player has elected to play on.

Larchielads wrote:

would the points be awarded if the ball bounced over the bar from a penalty/conversion/drop goal? lets say for whatever reason the kicker missed kicked it and the ball flew forward and took a ferocious bounce(highly unlikely) and went over the bar and between the posts, whats the rule if there is one?

Law 9.a.2:
(a) If after the ball is kicked, it touches the ground or any team-mate of the kicker, a goal
cannot be scored.

THOMOND2006 wrote:

If a player takes a lineout quickly to himself and kicks a drop goal straightaway, can the points be awarded?

Can drop goals only be scored after first phase?

Yes that's fine. The only one to watch out for is after a free kick.

Law 9.a.1:
Dropped Goal. A player scores a dropped goal by
kicking a goal from a drop kick in general play. The
team awarded a free kick cannot score a dropped
goal until the ball next becomes dead, or until an
opponent has played or touched it, or has tackled the
ball carrier. This restriction applies also to a scrum
taken instead of a free kick.

thomond2006

mikedragon32 wrote: »

Likewise if a No. 8 was feeling ambitious, he could attempt a drop goal from the base of the scrum as once he's picked up the ball the scrum is over.

hahahahahahaha I have a great image of Andy Powell trying this and ****ing up badly.

Cheers lads.

This is a great sticky thread.

mikedragon32

Once you've taken a quick lineout to yourself or a team mate, the ball is back in play and a drop kick can be attempted. Phases don't really come into it.

Likewise if a No. 8 was feeling ambitious, he could attempt a drop goal from the base of the scrum as once he's picked up the ball the scrum is over.

d'Oracle

thomond2006 wrote: »

If a player takes a lineout quickly to himself and kicks a drop goal straightaway, can the points be awarded?

Can drop goals only be scored after first phase?

What a question......(first one)

Of course Drop goals can be scored after first phase.
There were about 10 running up to O'Garas in the 6N.
Unless we have different definitions of what a phase is.
But you can have a dink anytime bar a dropout, Kickoff or free kick, so I assume that if the quick line out is fair game, then the drop goal is.

Good luck getting the time to throw in to your self and line up a drop in range of the posts with out getting creamed and then jumped on by your teammates.......

thomond2006

If a player takes a lineout quickly to himself and kicks a drop goal straightaway, can the points be awarded?

Can drop goals only be scored after first phase?

mikedragon32

larchielads wrote: »

would the points be awarded if the ball bounced over the bar from a penalty/conversion/drop goal? lets say for whatever reason the kicker missed kicked it and the ball flew forward and took a ferocious bounce(highly unlikely) and went over the bar and between the posts, whats the rule if there is one?

I think this was asked here before, but the answer is no!

larchielads

would the points be awarded if the ball bounced over the bar from a penalty/conversion/drop goal? lets say for whatever reason the kicker missed kicked it and the ball flew forward and took a ferocious bounce(highly unlikely) and went over the bar and between the posts, whats the rule if there is one?

thomond2006

Crash wrote: »

You're completely right - I missed Thomonds comment on the kicking team so just assumed it concerned the receivers.

You're alright mate.

Crash

You're completely right - I missed Thomonds comment on the kicking team so just assumed it concerned the receivers.

Stev_o

I think the answer is yes actually, iv seen in both 7's and League where the team kicking off has simple grubbered the ball passed the 10 with a few bounces and regathered by the team kicking off.

danthefan

Crash wrote: »

You're perfectly in your rights to play on for a restart to you that doesn't go 10, iirc.

The receiving team can play the ball and it's play on, if they decide not to or the kicking team plays the ball inside the 10 it's a scrum back. I think.

thomond2006

Cheers lads.

:):)

Crash

Oops missed the "team that kicked off" bit.

mikedragon32

Thomond2006 wrote:

If a kick off doesn't go 10 metres, and then bounces again past the 10 metre line, can the team that kicked off gather the ball and play on?

No would be the answer, unless the ball has come into contact with a player from the recieving team first.

Crash

You're perfectly in your rights to play on for a restart to you that doesn't go 10, iirc.

thomond2006

If a kick off doesn't go 10 metres, and then bounces again past the 10 metre line, can the team that kicked off gather the ball and play on?

mikedragon32

Spore wrote: »

Dunno if this has been asked before but... can you kick a drop goal from the restart? I know it has to go ten but if it goes sailing over the upright does it count? or does it have to drop before the twenty-two or something...

You can't kick a drop goal from the restart. If the ball goes into the in-goal area the receiving team has the option to continue play or ground the ball. If they ground it, they have the option to scrum back at the halfway. Same if it goes dead from the in-goal area.

castie

Think It has to drop within the field of play. Im assuming that would exclude the try zone.

Spore

Dunno if this has been asked before but... can you kick a drop goal from the restart? I know it has to go ten but if it goes sailing over the upright does it count? or does it have to drop before the twenty-two or something...

castie

So as a rule Question.

Can a player do a similar thing by ripping the ball away while on the ground in the goal area or is that illegal?