Tommy T wrote: » Pro-abortion is what they are. Why try and be Jesuitical about it. I have no time for the Catholic Church. Never have. But I'll go to my grave supporting the right to life of all human beings, born and unborn...
PrivateEye wrote: » Exactly. Its not relevant. I'm not gay for what its worth, but when you're dealing with the religious right I suppose you're either gay or working for the E.U if you think they're wrong Imocking fashion getityet? Google Justin Barrett. If you don't want Youth Defence (who were all over todays march) not to be labelled as fascists, don't hang around with fascists. Pretty simple really. The movement? Why don't you set up a movement for real sexual education in schools, or a movement that wants to prevent all further cuts to social welfare/child benefits so women dont feel the need to have abortions in the first place? The general vibe of that crowd was "Here you, dont have sex. and if you have sex, dont use a condom. and if you dont use a condom, you'll get pregnant. and if you get pregant, dont have an abortion. because eh....jesus mary and joseph." The majority of the crowd were carrying religious symbols with them, it was bizarre to watch. Actually in light of the recent solidarity demo for the victims of clerical sex abuse (you know, like eh...living kids) it was ac tually depressing. On a sunny day the dark ages look even blacker.
you accept Nazi salutes were directed at us as we walked by... Thank you for your honesty.
PrivateEye wrote: » The demo was CALLED by the very groups you're saying you disagree with. To give an example, if I oppose something like the gas situation in Mayo, and Sinn Féin call a picket outside Corrib House, I wouldn't go. Why? It's a Sinn Féin picket. By going to a demo stewarded by/led by Youth Defence, you can't say "Well I'm not a right wing character and they can do what they want" It doesn't matter if they're 10 out of 4,000, if these groups call such demos sane secular people shouldn't attend. I didn't see them. If they were, like I said, it was obviously a pun on the 'Justin Barrett and his fascist mates' situation. Youth Defences links to the far-right speak for themselves. I don't think they were solidarity salutes As for the number of people carrying religious signs/rosaries/pictures of Mary (!!) it was actually huge. Why was it so? Well, if you have an OFFICIAL MASS at One P.M before a Two P.M demo, you are kind of stating what angle you're coming at it from
The Economist wrote: » I don't think I'd murder anyone myself, but I wouldn't dream of imposing my views on another young woman who wanted to murder?
billy the squid wrote: » who brought the jesuits into it its called pro choice as its aim is to give the pregnant the woman the choice rather than leave it for the church/state to decide. Like i said, what a woman does with her body is not the concern of fthe extreme right
Tommy T wrote: » And so the weasel words continue with a drone like 'extreme right' thorwn in for good measure...:D
I happen to disagree with you on this issue as an abortion leads to one sorry conclusion everytime.
that is the death of a child. I abhor this result and will continue to air my view no matter how hard the SWP/Feminist movement try to shut me up. Abortion repulses me and many women as today's march has shown. If that makes me 'extreme Right' then I'm proud to be so...
billy the squid wrote: » If you don't wish to be referred to as the extreme right, then don't hang around with them. and carrying some rapists child around, or carrying a child around that you know will kill you is a bed of roses righty? Firstly, if you have a problem with feminism then you havent the foggiest idea what it is. Secondly, why is abortion any of your business. judging by your name you will never have to carry a child, so what in gods name do you know about pregnancy, the health consequences of it, what experience do you have of it?
Tommy T wrote: » If people from the extreme Right, left or centre want to join me in supporting the rights of the unborn then I'll not turn my back on them... The intolerance of the 'Liberal/Feminist agenda is as strong as ever. But in the end of the day putting up with their insults is a small price to pay for supporting all life, born and unborn...
There were about 30 angry pro-abortionists standing at the side of the road along the route shouting abuse at us.
the SWP/Feminist movement
As for youth defence, they are scum. a number of their members came p from Cork to picket the family planning clinic on Mallow Street in Limerick a few years back,
Mr Justin Barrett, the chief spokesman of the No to Nice campaign and a leading figure in the Youth Defence anti-abortion group, has close contacts with an extreme right-wing party in Germany which the authorities there believe has "Nazi characteristics". Mr Barrett has attended conferences and spoken at an event organised by Germany's National Democratic Party (NPD). Two years ago he attended an NPD rally in the Bavarian city of Passau as a representative of Youth Defence. His name appears as one of the "honorary guests" at the event in Die Deutsche Stimme (The German Voice), the NPD party newspaper. The NPD described the rally, the largest by the party to date, as a day of national resistance
If they support the right of the unborn then they're welcome to stand side by side with me...
Your final slur on people attending a Mass merely serves to compound your bigotted views for everyone to see...
PrivateEye wrote: » Oh lets have a national rally against abortion thats for everyone not just catholics and why don't we advertise the official mass we're having before it on the leaflets too. I'm the biggoted one. I reckon people using a religious agenda to stand in the way of a womans right to choice are a bit more bigotted to be honest....
Clinic Attacks In 1998 YD adopted a tactic of directly targeting family planning clinics, using the pretext that these health care providers were 'abortion referral clinics'. The tactics used have been directly copied from Operation Rescue and other extremist groups in the United States. Occupations and pickets of both the IFPA and Marie Stopes clinics in Dublin have become regular events. 16th February 1998 - 12 Youth Defence members occupied the Marie Stopes Reproductive Choices clinic on Blessington Street. An elderly staff member was physically assaulted. 16th May 1998 - A Youth Defence picket of the Adelaide hospital turned into a mini-riot when their activists fought with Gardai. YD members roared slogans through megaphones despite being told that an elderly woman was on the point of death in the hospital. In April 1999 eight leading members of YD were convicted and fined for obstructing Gardai and assault.
Ultravid wrote: » The rally was a huge success. There was a big turnout - thousands. Lots of young adults there too. Nice atmosphere. There were about 30 angry pro-abortionists standing at the side of the road along the route shouting abuse at us. See you in Belfast this time next year!
billy the squid wrote: » What is feminism so? seeing as you are bandying about the term so freely.
Ultravid wrote: » The organisers actually produced two flyers: one was for the Catholic population and also featured the Mass at 1pm, whilst the other flyer advertised only the rally at 2pm. I know because I helped distribute these leaflets and I had both versions. The verisons were distributed as appropriate. The rally was supported by Catholics, non-Catholic Christians, and other people in general!
PrivateEye wrote: » They are a dangerous far-right group who should not be allowed organise public rallies like today. The fact they use fronts like COIR to get involved in things like the Lisbon Campaign (Same office, how handy!) says it all.
Tommy T wrote: » So you accept Nazi salutes were directed at us as we walked by... Thank you for your honesty. However you then lie about the majority of people carrying religous signs. Its pathetic to see anyone having to resort to telling untruths to try and slant peoples' opinions of an event... I'm not religous in any way. I'm an anthiest Pro-Lifer. Neither am I a Facist. Of course there were members of YD there. I'd be very surprised if they weren't as they've been to the forefront of the Irish pro-life movement for years now. However they're a relatively small grouping member wise and given the thousands of participants they'd have been a small minority of the total. But they're just as entitled as I to march for the Unborn... The Social welfare Bill is enormous and has to be slashed. I say this as a proud CPSU member. To get €204 stay in bed money is grotesque when across the border its nearly a quarter of that...
ronano wrote: » I stood on the sidelines on O' Connell st. and watched the whole march go by and the majority were holding youth defense placards. A minority were holding religious symbols and so on but still a sizeable bunch. To the comment about 5000 people attending i'd estimate a 1000-2000 at best but granted others may have joined up further on down the line but i doubt it. I must admit while i completely disagree with their viewpoint the march was decently organised with the exception of youth defence people trying to block the other set of protesters from view. I think the use of graphic abortion images is unjustifiable in such a public way,it's unfair to adults and children who did not ask to see these images. Another comment i take exception to is the idea that northern irish folk should be accepted in their protest. If they hold Irish citizenship then fine otherwise they are simply citizens of another state trying to influence law within a foreign country. I take exception to it if they don't hold an irish passport.
Tommy T wrote: » The intolerance of the 'Liberal/Feminist agenda is as strong as ever.
Tommy T wrote: » Typical diversion tactics from the pro abortion lobby to deflect frm the horrors of their cause... Dude, there is an Feminist Wing which has had such luminaries as Nell McCafferty, Nuala O'Faoláin, Doireann Ní Bhrian, Liz McManus etc who have continously called for full access to abortion in Ireland for as long as I can remember...
Tommy T wrote: » Spot on mate. I'm not catholic and nor do I subscribe to any other religion but was proud to be part of the rally for Life yesterday... Being an intolerant Catholic hater seems to go hand in glove with being pro abortion it would seem...
2morobelongs2me wrote: abortion is a tool used to destroy the white race, you dont see nigerians getting abortions or muslims, its just white women who have been taught to hate their race. if someone is raped maybe they should have thought twice before dressing provocatively or going into a dangerous part of town or acting like a slut in a nightclub. there is no excuse for abortion in my opinion. if you got rid of the blacks then the number of rapes would drop by 100% and well all know that.
