copacetic wrote: » you can only get it in chemists, even the std stuff has codeine in it.
tallaght01 wrote: » I don't give medical advice here. BUt I wouldn't be relying on solpadeine to treat an STD :P :pac::pac:
Alan Rouge wrote: » I can't see GlaxoSmithKline letting it be regulated with such pesky things as prescriptions. There's also a worrying number of people in Ireland who rely on Solpadiene. It's incredibly addictive.
SomeDose wrote: » There's no evidence that solpadeine, or indeed pure codeine, is highly addictive. Codeine is an almost pure (but weak) mu-opioid agonist, so in theory it could cause dependence, although in practice it would be difficult to demonstrate a blatant abstinence syndrome such as that seen with morphine and heroin withdrawal. I would, however, be more inclined to believe there is a psychological dependence associated with it. I think the media have spun this one slightly, and sold people a red herring with the focus on codeine (with the usual scare-mongering of it chemically being "only one step away from heroin"...oooh scary, but alas meaningless). I vaguely remember some report that OTC solpadeine sales in Ireland are a multiple of that in the UK, which I have no reason to doubt and it is indeed cause for concern. But if people are consuming it in the quantities we hear about anecdotally, here's the thing: OTC solpadeine has 500mg of paracetamol in it, so I'd be a lot more worried about the potential for liver damage that these people are exposing themselves to.
Odysseus wrote: » When you say incredibly addictive, do you really mean that. I have treated a lot of people for minor addictions problems over the years, but I still find it have to believe there is any significant phyical slwithdrawal syndrome in those cases. But minor I mean OCT painkillers with codeine in the, of oppssed to larger doses of codeine of other drugs of dependence.
Odysseus wrote: » I remember that article Alan, I work as a therapist in a methadone clinic, to date I have only seen one person placed on meth for OTC painkillers and they were started on methadone in a hospital following serious consequences due to the effects of ibupofen, due to taking the max recommended dose x 4 or 5 times.
Odysseus wrote: » I remember that article Alan, I work as a therapist in a methadone clinic, to date I have only seen one person placed on meth for OTC painkillers and they were started on methadone in a hospital following serious consequences due to the effects of ibupofen, due to taking the max recommended dose x 4 or 5 times. As stated in the article everyone I have seen fitted the middle aged female profile. I'm just not sold on the idea, in most cases I do believe its mostly a psychological issue, however, that does not mean that it is not a problem for the individual.
cork45 wrote: » Is Solpadol the same thing? These things are always around the house they have 500mg paracetamol 30mg codeine phosphate hemihydrate, is this bad? I've always taken them for headaches and such.
angeldelight wrote: » I don't understand how methadone would help for ibuprofen dependency?? It wouldn't occupy any of the same receptors or anything... it wouldn't have been Nurofen Plus by any chance?
Alan Rouge wrote: » This is the point exactly. How many people are going to go to a doctor and say "help, I'm addicted to a non-prescription over the counter tablet for headaches " ? Addictions to other hard/illegal drugs affects your whole life. An addiction to Solpadiene will cause you health problems in the long run I'd assume but aside from having to make multiple trips to various chemists and perhaps hiding them from others , I don't know how much of a profound impact taking 8doses of Solpadeine every day for 10 years will have. I could be totally wrong and I'm out of my depth as I'm not a pro but I've seen it.
Odysseus wrote: » Yes sorry, that's correct I was just been lazy and not typing Nurofen +
angeldelight wrote: » Well in that's another drug that's as prone to abuse as Solpadeine is - in fact it contains more codeine than Solpadeine.
Odysseus wrote: » I don't think I have recieved any referrals from GP's on this issue, most of the cases I dealt with came through the local psych services, where the GP had referred to them for an other issue and this Solpadeine issue arose during that assessment. However, I was taking to a local GP the other day who was amazed when I told him he could refer directly to me, so it could be down to a lack of knowlegde that I'm not seeing that many, 3 or 4 a year max. I don't think the codeine intake at that level who have any effect it would be the long term use or paracetamol that would concern me. I would be interested in what the medics here would think of such a long term use of paracetamol. Long-term use of opiates are unlikely to cause serious problems, apart from the addiction. Its often the associated lifestyle and impurities that cause bigger problems. Certainly your right its not going to have any of the severe health/psycho-social issues that heroin or coke use would present. From my veiwpoint its about the effect its having on the person. As I said I'm not sure if such a small dose of codeine can caise physical dependence, I actually don't think so. However, if a person come to my place of work with this issue I work with them and leave my questions aside, if you follow. I just don't want you thinking that I would raise my own questions about it with a client.
Alan Rouge wrote: » Bit odd that a GP didn't know to refer someone on for addiction I'd assume that's a given... Anyway, with regards the effect taking two 24 packs of Solpadeine a week.... I'd imagine that it's a long term effect, as in when you're 15years down the line you could end up liver failure.
mountain wrote: » one of the problems with solpadeine, is that it causes "rebound headaches" you feel a headache coming on, and take some, the body associates headaches with the solp, and headaches become more frequent, thus increasing the need for solp.
cork45 wrote: » Jesus man that sounds very familiar to myself.
