samsham wrote: » Believe me I wrote to TD's who wrote to the minister of foreign affairs on my behalf. I think you misguided if you think the wheels of politics move any faster than that of justice. Firstly for a minister to look at our case on compassionate grounds. I would have to be six foot under. No comfort to me. I should say I am not dyeing. I just said after a health scare it got me thinking. Also here people say there concerned about immigration. Considering most of our immigration is from the EU, and the Lisbon treaty when passed will open the way for new countries to join and freedom of movement that follows. Our governments immigration policy if anything seems a little confused.
HollyB wrote: » I don't see how the Citizenship Referendum changed the legal situation for your family. Your child is entitled to Irish citizenship because you are Irish, not because of his place of birth. The referendum didn't end the right of parents of Irish born children to live in Ireland, the Lobe & Osayande Supreme Court case of 2003 established that being the parent of an Irish citizen child wasn't a bar to the deportation of the child's parents. In your case, I'd say that it would be unlikely that, in the event of your death, that your wife and child would be deported, given that your child would have a deeper connection to Ireland than the country simply being his place of birth, ie. if you have extended family here, the argument could be made that your child has the right to know his Irish grandparents/aunts/uncles/cousins. However, given your health scare, if you are worried, I'd recommend getting in touch with your local T.D., and asking him or her to petition the Minister for Justice on your family's behalf. It may be possible for your wife's application for citizenship to be fast-tracked, or for her to be granted permanent residency, if there are special reasons for an exception to be made. It can't hurt to ask.
samsham wrote: » We had a referendum a few years ago on the rights of people with Irish born kids to live in Ireland. Shamefully we vote as our Government wanted. We ended the right of people with Irish Born kids to live in Ireland. My wife is Asian I am Irish, My child is Irish. Recently I had a health scare and this vote came back to haunt me. Obviously I voted for the rights of parents to stay in Ireland. But because the majority in Ireland voted with the Government, this means if I died my wife and kid can legally be kicked out of Ireland. I was married in 2007 so my wife is not a citizen yet. But were my health to fade and I died, my wife and child who obviously would stay with its mother can be kicked out of Ireland. I just wondered if Irish people knew this when voting. Because to me this referendum was nothing but pure racism. The government acknowledges in order to pay for our growing senior citizens pension we need population growth. So would someone who voted for this please explain what the hell they were thinking of?
oscarBravo wrote: » You're doing it again: attempting to redefine xenophobia as hatred directed towards individual foreigners, in order to claim that anger directed to entire groups of people on no other basis than that they are foreigners is perfectly acceptable. .
asdasd wrote: » They produce the "any mention of immigration is Racist" ideologies which permeate this State, and our neighbour. .
That's because governments allow developers to do so. That's a problem with government policy and lack of forward planning; it has nothing whatsoever to do with immigration. It's every bit as much a problem for small towns that have had large influxes of commuters, for example.
PaulieD wrote: » So you are saying nobody should have an issue with immigration, other wise they are xenophobic?
oscarBravo wrote: » You're arguing from your conclusion. You're saying that you wouldn't have less of a problem with 10,000 Irish people moving in because there's nothing you can do about it; whereas 10,000 foreigners would be a problem because it can in theory be prevented. The real question is whether government policy should have allowed housing for 10,000 people to be built without also providing for the required infrastructure and services - which has no bearing on whether they're Irish newcomers or not. I'm not trying to hammer a racism angle in. I'm pointing out that having an issue with foreigners in the country is xenophobia.
sovtek wrote: » You do realise that a fair few immigrants are helping to pay for the dole queue like myself. You do realise that Ireland isn't all that desirable a place to relocate. I'm starting to be reminded of why I left America and how similar this sounds. You don't have facilities because your government has squandered the wealth that all PAYE have worked our asses off for. Keeping foreignors out aint going to make it any better. You government should have thought of that before it participating in the shenanigans there. I'm all for chickens coming home to roost.
opo wrote: » Developers build houses far quicker than Governments build schools.
You are fixated on xenophobia and smearing anyone with the remotest concerns about immigration with a fear of the individuals rather than the consequences of their unregulated inflows.
This attempt to perpetually canonise yourself whilst damning others is rather sad but I suspect you feel great about yourself pursuing it. Perhaps there's a nice little complex with your name on it.
opo wrote: » If 10,000 Irish people decide to move into my community and there is only one school there is little I can do about it in the short term. If 10,000 foreigners decide to immigrate to Ireland and enter my community I can at least ask for immigration to be regulated when it appears that carrying capacity is being stretched.
I am sorry if this is baffling to you but if you stop trying to hammer a racism angle in, it might start to make sense.
oscarBravo wrote: » I have no idea what that means.
asdasd wrote: » None of us had much say in the StopOver. But I take the point.
A tax payer with no say in the national government though.
asdasd wrote: » It's "your" govenrment now. i thought you were a tax payer.
Gurgle wrote: » Why? What more has an australian shìtkicker with 1/8th Irish blood got to offer the country than a chinese chef or a polish plasterer?
Gurgle wrote: » Why should the contents of your chromasomes give you priority over someone with more useful skills?
You do realise that a fair few immigrants are helping to pay for the dole queue like myself.
You do realise that Ireland isn't all that desirable a place to relocate. I'm starting to be reminded of why I left America and how similar this sounds.
You don't have facilities because your government has squandered the wealth that all PAYE have worked our asses off for. Keeping foreignors out aint going to make it any better.
You government should have thought of that before it participating in the shenanigans there. I'm all for chickens coming home to roost.
Jakkass wrote: » We already have a right to return in Ireland anyway, which is pretty similar to the one that already exists in the State of Israel for diaspora Jews to live there.
PaulieD wrote: » How many people should be allowed in to Ireland? You do realise there are no jobs available? You do realise we have over 400,000 people on social welfare?
You do realise we cannot absorb the world and his mother?
You do realise we do not have the facilities for the population that is already here and further cutbacks are inevitable?
You know a poor family in Iraq? Is it our responsibility to help them out? Do you honestly think anyone who wants to come here and start a new live should be allowed? Who is going to pay for this? You do realise that if your immigrant policies where implented we would also become a 3rd world country.
Jakkass wrote: » We should respect those who have had Irish roots and try to give them a livelihood here should they return.
asdasd wrote: » How may do you think would come? would you draw the line at 10M? 100M? 200M? 500M? What now?
markopantelic wrote: » imo over the next 20 years ireland should try to organise a controlled population growth, we should aim for a population of about 10 million by 2025 and none of that 'right to return' stuff that mcwilliams thinks we should do.
opo wrote: » Of course it would when there is a fundamental difference of having a choice in the matter or not.
Alan Rouge wrote: » No, but like a lot of people she would complain about "all these foreigners" with their free cars and benefits and free houses etc. no matter how erroneous the statement may be.
markopantelic wrote: » Can I be a criminal too?;) I think anyone who wants to be a valuable member of Irish society and plans on creating a new life here should be given citizenship. I believe our immigration should favour people in poorer areas of the world. I mean I know a family and the rest of his family is in Iraq, they should be allowed to come and make life in Ireland.
oscarBravo wrote: » But would it make a difference to you whether the new arrivals were Irish or not?
opo wrote: » That's some leap. Why would anyone desire such antipathy and where did I imply such a thing?
If I discover a 100,000 people are about to or have entered my community and we have only one school, am I a xenophobe if I am concerned?
oscarBravo wrote: » Ah, I see. You're seeking to redefine xenophobia as some sort of specific antipathy towards individual foreigners; whereby a general antipathy towards large groups of foreigners is simply an intrinsic part of human nature and as such not only acceptable but positively desirable. QUOTE] That's some leap. Why would anyone desire such antipathy and where did I imply such a thing? If I discover a 100,000 people are about to or have entered my community and we have only one school, am I a xenophobe if I am concerned?
