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English Paper 2 Leaked- Keep All Discussion to this thread- DUPLICATE THREADS LOCKED

English Paper 2 was leaked in Louth Today. Possibly rescheduled. More info at rte.ie/exams

UPDATE 1: The SEC has announced the exam will take place on Saturday Morning, June 6th at 9:30.

A Helpline has been set up (lord knows why tbh, mountain out of a molehill): 1800 713 913

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kona

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

And I know that if a hall full of students had just been told what was going to be on tomorrow's exam, they wouldn't placidly put the paper down and not look at it while it was being taken up.

Fair point.

But as each paper is collected the number of students gaining a advantage is low.

Were talking around 30 students here.

Thats 30 students who saw the paper, how much information? nobody knows.

IMO it was a total overreaction that has totally ****ed up the 2009 Leaving Cert.

Another solution:
Why didnt they give the contingency paper out in louth and the normal one elsewhere? that way its isolated to 30 people and doesnt affect 115,00

Mimikyu

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j1smithy

Ah the annual leaving cert controversy...

Well all you students can be is thankful that the SEC decided to change the timetable from the traditional one (ie paper 2 on Wednesday afternoon). If it turned out that the paper had been leaked to the internet in the lunchtime its possible a national resit of the exam would have to take place... so it could be worse. Anyway I had a brief look at the other comments on this thread and having been a student of two teachers that write papers, the main paper and the back-up paper are written independently and its a toss up between the two that get chosen as the main paper. So to say if a poet was on the main paper its not to say it won't be on the back-up. The chances are the exact same.

Anyway to all the students, theres no need to be panicing or tieing yourselves in knots. The work is done at this stage. you might have to re-jig your study timetable...(i suggest study tomorrow morning what you would have done saturday morning).

randylonghorn

kona wrote: »

Em I did my exam in a exam centre that had 30 seats:rolleyes: how do you know this isnt the same scenario in louth?
In a large exam hall how many are doing Higher? You will also be aware that they are grouped together pretty much.

Your shoving my opinion down your throat, because i certainly amnt.

Because I know which exam centre it was for one thing, and because I've practical experience of sitting on both sides of that desk for another.

But hey, have it your own way ... the SEC should have let the exam go ahead, and no damage would have been done, right?

PurpleFistMixer

kona wrote: »

Yup but under the conditions, after you realise WTF is going on will take 10 secs at least then your read over it, desperatly looking for what you studied to see if its there.

The supervisior will instruct your paper to be put down, and closed, then taken up.

You seem to have done enough exams to know the routine.

And I know that if a hall full of students had just been told what was going to be on tomorrow's exam, they wouldn't placidly put the paper down and not look at it while it was being taken up.

kona

alan4cult wrote: »

Do you like the number 10 or something if I said 15 seconds would you feel sad?

okay 15 happy:rolleyes: still not enough IMO. youd want to be pushing 20 secs of reading time to have any impact.

kona

randylonghorn wrote: »

Actually I don't, it's you who are claiming to know it all and shoving your opinion down everyone's throats.

Have you ever supervised an exam hall, btw?

I ask because you seem to have no difficulty whatsoever accepting the version of events which had all the exam papers in a large exam hall re-collected within 10 seconds.

Em I did my exam in a exam centre that had 30 seats:rolleyes: how do you know this isnt the same scenario in louth?
In a large exam hall how many are doing Higher? You will also be aware that they are grouped together pretty much.

Your shoving my opinion down your throat, because i certainly amnt.

alan4cult

kona wrote: »

Yup but under the conditions, after you realise WTF is going on will take 10 secs at least then your read over it, desperatly looking for what you studied to see if its there.

The supervisior will instruct your paper to be put down, and closed, then taken up.

You seem to have done enough exams to know the routine.

Do you like the number 10 or something if I said 15 seconds would you feel sad?

kona

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

which is PLENTY of time for any student with copon to ferociously read and attempt to memorise the paper.

Yup but under the conditions, after you realise WTF is going on will take 10 secs at least then your read over it, desperatly looking for what you studied to see if its there.

The supervisior will instruct your paper to be put down, and closed, then taken up.

You seem to have done enough exams to know the routine.

randylonghorn

kona wrote: »

How can you claim to be correct, Its my opinion and im entitled to it.

Actually I don't, it's you who are claiming to know it all and shoving your opinion down everyone's throats.

Have you ever supervised an exam hall, btw?

I ask because you seem to have no difficulty whatsoever accepting the version of events which had all the exam papers in a large exam hall re-collected within 10 seconds.

PurpleFistMixer

kona wrote: »

and the report said.....
Not a chance the Paper 2 was left out on show for more than 10secs.

Time between "You may now start the exam" and every single paper being back in the hands of the invigilators = siginificantly more than 10 seconds, unless there's only 1 student in the centre, which I do not believe was the case. It can take a few minutes to gather all the papers, which is PLENTY of time for any student with copon to ferociously read and attempt to memorise the paper.

a x e 15

That_Guy wrote: »

Yeah but how many students, especially in Louth (sorry couldn't resist) would have photographic memories? Not a lot I would imagine that's why they would look at headings i.e Patrick Kavanagh, John Montague, Cultural Context.

Things like that. It doesn't take someone with a photographic memory to remember things like that.

you make a very good point ....lol ...louth ... lol
im not sure the exact figures but i was told by my doctor a few years back that the chances of being born wit photo mem is like 1 in 400,000 or something ...(ps this was bout 4-5 years ago and i aint seen the true figures just a docters word to go on) so i dout one of the like 10 that saw the exam have photo mem and cummon LOUTH ......ROFLMAO:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

kona

niallsparky wrote: »

Surely the news report can only be factual if the information was cited directly from the supervisor report?

and the report said.....
Not a chance the Paper 2 was left out on show for more than 10secs.

kona

randylonghorn wrote: »

Ok, look folks!!

Kona obviously knows better than the Department, the SEC, or indeed the other teachers, examiners, supervisors and students who have posted in this thread.

So can we wish him / her well in her new post as Education Supremo, and turn our attention elsewhere?

Like to bed maybe, for some of you? :P

Oh look students its your mammy telling you its bedtime:rolleyes:

Id like to think id have handled it better than the dept. This is a disgrace and its embarrasing.

How can you claim to be correct, Its my opinion and im entitled to it.

randylonghorn

niallsparky wrote: »

Surely the news report can only be factual if the information was cited directly from the supervisor report?

[PontiusPilate] Truth? What is truth?! [/PontiusPilate]

Slightly OT: I had a gf who used to say things like "I'll be over immediately!"

4 hours later ... :rolleyes:

That_Guy

a x e 15 wrote: »

look dont mean to be big headed but i have photogarphic memory
its the only thing thats gotten me through school so easly ... im hoping it will get me through college (criminal profiling go me) but tbh i reckon that 10 sec for someone like me is all it takes .... like i can remember almost half of R & J from J.C as in i can recite word for word ... ( yes im a freak ) so whos to say that theres not some one like me who was in that room lookin at that exam ...

Yeah but how many students, especially in Louth (sorry couldn't resist) would have photographic memories? Not a lot I would imagine that's why they would look at headings i.e Patrick Kavanagh, John Montague, Cultural Context.

Things like that. It doesn't take someone with a photographic memory to remember things like that.

randylonghorn

kona wrote: »

yes but.

They could be on speed too.

They got **** all info off the paper. The dept should have had the cop on to know this. They should have been able to contain the issue to the school by monitoring the answers from students in the school.

Totally no need to cause such mayhem

Ok, look folks!!

Kona obviously knows better than the Department, the SEC, or indeed the other teachers, examiners, supervisors and students who have posted in this thread.

So can we wish him / her well in her new post as Education Supremo, and turn our attention elsewhere?

Like to bed maybe, for some of you? :P

Amirani

kona wrote: »

Im going on the facts that are given,you can make up stuff if you want.

Surely the news report can only be factual if the information was cited directly from the supervisor report?

alan4cult

kona wrote: »

yes but.

They could be on speed too.

They got **** all info off the paper. The dept should have had the cop on to know this. They should have been able to contain the issue to the school by monitoring the answers from students in the school.

Totally no need to cause such mayhem

But they still would have told other students across the country and unless every student across the country knew exactly what the students who saw the paper knew an unfair advantage would exist.

kona

Poxyshamrock wrote: »

No you need to study 5 if there's 8.
What if the 4 you studied were the four that didn't come up?

you are correct.:o

Gazza22

What is with all the pages in this thread rambling on about how long the students seen the paper? How the students leaked the info? How the students should have kept their mouth shut blah blah blah...

It doesn't matter if only three students seen the paper or 100 students - or if they leaked the papers contents or not... once it happened the superintendant is obliged to inform the SEC. End of

PurpleFistMixer

As far as remembering what's on the paper goes: if you're someone who reads the paper before hand, you'd probably have something like this:
Filled with aprehension and adrenaline, you open the paper.
You notice there isn't a "theme" where there should be and you become concerned.
You flick through the pages and notice distinctly paper-2-like qualities.
For a terrified moment you ask yourself: "Have they changed paper 1? Is this the wrong day? Did I sleep for an entire day? Oh no!"
You either panic and freeze in terror/put your hand up, or you remain collected long enough to read the front of the paper.
You then notice a mistake has been made.
You are now filled with a terrible excitement and confusion. If you can keep yourself together, you flick back through the paper, trying to take in all the questions before anyone notices.

The issue that remains now is; if you get through these steps before the paper is taken away. If you've reached the final stage before the paper is gone, I would say you definitely remember it: how could anyone forget such an unusual occurrance, and a dream come true to some... Even if you don't remember the specific wording of the question, you would undoubtedly remember the emotions that come when you see the poets you studied/didn't study, and emotions are not easy to forget. Even if the paper IS taken away early, you might take in some on your initial leafing-through. Paper 2 isn't particularly long, and the topics are obvious enough...

kona

niallsparky wrote: »

The word "immediate" can surely only have been quoted from the exam supervisor himself. He's hardly going to officially report that he waited a few minutes after realising the mistake?

Im going on the facts that are given,you can make up stuff if you want.

a x e 15

randylonghorn wrote: »

Right, 18 year olds (almost senile, tbh!) wouldn't for example be able to remember, for example, what poets came up on an exam paper they got a sneak preview of?

I'll say to you what I said to him, leave out the insults.

look dont mean to be big headed but i have photogarphic memory
its the only thing thats gotten me through school so easly ... im hoping it will get me through college (criminal profiling go me) but tbh i reckon that 10 sec for someone like me is all it takes .... like i can remember almost half of R & J from J.C as in i can recite word for word ... ( yes im a freak ) so whos to say that theres not some one like me who was in that room lookin at that exam ...

That_Guy

Anyway ladies and gents. I'm off to bed. Up early in the morning.

To those doing the LC, I know it's a confusing situation to be in but you, like every other student sitting the exams have to persevere with it.

Just don't waste any of your time tomorrow.

I wish you all the best of luck in the exams.

Popple3

I know I'm probably too late with this now as most of you probably wont be back here in the morning.

If the back up paper were the exact opposite of the leaked paper, then handing that out would be just as bad, coz everyone would still know what's coming up, so there's gotta be similarities between both papers. Basically, I think people are freaking out just a little to much. Cover another poet or 2, just in case, but really I'd say you wouldn't need to.

For all we know backup papers have been used in the past, but it was just kept quite, and the only reason this was made public was due to the rescheduling.

Oh, and one last thing, good luck

kona

alan4cult wrote: »

Yes but the adrenaline rush of seeing the paper would make you read faster and plus more than one student saw the paper and together they would remember much more.

yes but.

They could be on speed too.

They got **** all info off the paper. The dept should have had the cop on to know this. They should have been able to contain the issue to the school by monitoring the answers from students in the school.

Totally no need to cause such mayhem

Amirani

kona wrote: »

News reported papers lifted immediatley, id define. >10secs not immediate.

The word "immediate" can surely only have been quoted from the exam supervisor himself. He's hardly going to officially report that he waited a few minutes after realising the mistake?

HAPPYGIRL

Kournikova wrote: »

Having given the situation some thought I have decided to study mostly geography tomorrow and then learn some quotes from 2 extra poets and just the general jist of their poems and will give it a lash.

I'm actually past caring about it now.

Ok good idea. Then spend friday evening/night studying english. I know all of this is a shock but in reality it's just a shift in the exam timetable.

Good luck with the geography. One exam at a time.

Poxyshamrock

kona wrote: »

there are 8 poets, you study 4 and your sweet.

No you need to study 5 if there's 8.
What if the 4 you studied were the four that didn't come up?