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English Paper 2 Leaked- Keep All Discussion to this thread- DUPLICATE THREADS LOCKED

English Paper 2 was leaked in Louth Today. Possibly rescheduled. More info at rte.ie/exams

UPDATE 1: The SEC has announced the exam will take place on Saturday Morning, June 6th at 9:30.

A Helpline has been set up (lord knows why tbh, mountain out of a molehill): 1800 713 913

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alan4cult

kona wrote: »

All are on the desks for 9.30. Yup they would have been close enough.

For nybody who disagrees go to www.examinations.ie pick any Higer level english P2 ad give youself 10 seconds to read it all. Then read P1 questions , wait 3 hours and see if you remember.

You don't need to read the questions. You just need to know the poets and topics
In ten seconds you can check:
1. Poets
2. Macbeth Question
3. Comparative Topic

And if you don't believe me I just did it there!

randylonghorn

That_Guy wrote: »

And they would most likely be in close proximity to the examiner too I'd reckon. Surely all of the students didn't get a copy only then for someone to say it was paper 2.

AFAIR, all papers are given out face down, then the signal is given to turn over ...

So all students in the hall would have had a look, some of them a darn good one by the time they could be collected.

kona

That_Guy wrote: »

It's putting things into perspective that there's bigger things than the LC.

Not a very good example TBH:o:(

StargazerLily

phasers wrote: »

In my school the exam papers are kept in the caretaker's room

I know because I put them there myself last year. They all came together. I stil think the OP is bull though, they're quite well guarded and double checked.

What you put in the caretakers room were boxes of paper all right...to write on...Stationery....as in books of blank paper that you write your answers in AFTER the Exam Papers have come from the Garda Station and after you have hopefully been given the right Exam Paper......unless the supervisor is from Louth!

lostexpectation

i wonder if they've got the moeny to pay to open the schools etc

kona

That_Guy wrote: »

And they would most likely be in close proximity to the examiner too I'd reckon. Surely all of the students didn't get a copy only then for someone to say it was paper 2.

All are on the desks for 9.30. Yup they would have been close enough.

For nybody who disagrees go to www.examinations.ie pick any Higer level english P2 ad give youself 10 seconds to read it all. Then read P1 questions , wait 3 hours and see if you remember.

randylonghorn

michaelkhan3 wrote: »

This is ridiculous and every Exam center should have the contingency paper there and ready to go just in case something stupid like this happens.

Except then some numpty would give out the contingency paper by mistake ...

kona wrote: »

The exam should have been allowed go ahead tomorrow and the 10 or so students who glimpsed the paper2 will be monitored at correction.

Cancelling a state exam is not a proportional reaction to 10 or so students getting a slim advantage

Did you not get the point that as soon as the exam was over, the rumours of what was on P II started flying round the country by text and on the 'net?

The students in the original exam hall would only be the start ... EVERY student in the country (and their parents and teachers) would have ended up convinced that THEY got a raw deal, whether or not they had been given hints.

It's messy as it is, but it would have been 20 times messier if it wasn't nipped in the bud.

Red Sleeping Beauty

kona wrote: »

OKAY

First exam of the LC. Students are nervous and just want to get started.

Examination papers are placed face down on the desk

9.30 Exam starts.

5 seconds later sombody raises their hand and says its paper2.

Students told to drop the paper and they are recovered.

NOW

Paper 2 contains Poetry, Comparitive etc, no way did the contents of the entire paper accuratley be leaked. NO student would react to this suprise by remembering everything, they would get all excited and freak out and before they know it the paper is gone.

IMO there was little advantage gained by a small number of students. Not a situation in which such a mess should be created. The exam should have been allowed go ahead tomorrow and the 10 or so students who glimpsed the paper2 will be monitored at correction.

Could you get away with not sitting on saturday? some people have things to do at the weekend.

Cancelling a state exam is not a proportional reaction to 10 or so students getting a slim advantage

I'd say that the chance or risk that if say 10 students saw even one question then they can use their mobiles or the internet to share that 1 question with a lot more people. I'd say that played a part in the reschedule/contingency paper decision.

Not that I agree with it. This Saturday exam now will cause more stress/strain for some people. People who need to organise transport and also, as unpopular as it might be... there could be people working .

That_Guy

kona wrote: »

WTF has that got to do with anything?

It's putting things into perspective that there's bigger things than the LC.

That_Guy

kona wrote: »

how long dos it take to collect papers in a rush from a row of 10 desks?

Not enough to get a good look.

And they would most likely be in close proximity to the examiner too I'd reckon. Surely all of the students didn't get a copy only then for someone to say it was paper 2.

alan4cult

kona wrote: »

OKAY

First exam of the LC. Students are nervous and just want to get started.

Examination papers are placed face down on the desk

9.30 Exam starts.

5 seconds later sombody raises their hand and says its paper2.

Students told to drop the paper and they are recovered.

NOW

Paper 2 contains Poetry, Comparitive etc, no way did the contents of the entire paper accuratley be leaked. NO student would react to this suprise by remembering everything, they would get all excited and freak out and before they know it the paper is gone.

IMO there was little advantage gained by a small number of students. Not a situation in which such a mess should be created. The exam should have been allowed go ahead tomorrow and the 10 or so students who glimpsed the paper2 will be monitored at correction.

Could you get away with not sitting on saturday? some people have things to do at the weekend.

Cancelling a state exam is not a proportional reaction to 10 or so students getting a slim advantage

Yes but the last time this happened in 1998 some parents were not happy.
Second Article on this page: http://archives.tcm.ie/irishexaminer/1998/06/16/ihead.htm

kona

MrPirate wrote: »

Well this has royally screwed me over..

On another note, 20 years ago right now, thousands of people our age were massacred in Tiananmen Square.*

*Technically a few hours ago

WTF has that got to do with anything?

kona

Kournikova wrote: »

well the attendant wouldn't have collected all the papers in time, so several people would have had a good look.

how long dos it take to collect papers in a rush from a row of 10 desks?

Not enough to get a good look.

Kournikova

well the attendant wouldn't have collected all the papers in time, so several people would have had a good look.

bug

The leaving cert is a very stressful time.
This is a really really terrible thing to happen.
I wish you all the best.

MrPirate

Well this has royally screwed me over..

On another note, 20 years ago right now, thousands of people our age were massacred in Tiananmen Square.*

*Technically a few hours ago

kona

randylonghorn wrote: »

A better situation how?

Some students would have had a distinct advantage, others would have been unfairly penalised.

Better how exactly?

OKAY

First exam of the LC. Students are nervous and just want to get started.

Examination papers are placed face down on the desk

9.30 Exam starts.

5 seconds later sombody raises their hand and says its paper2.

Students told to drop the paper and they are recovered.

NOW

Paper 2 contains Poetry, Comparitive etc, no way did the contents of the entire paper accuratley be leaked. NO student would react to this suprise by remembering everything, they would get all excited and freak out and before they know it the paper is gone.

IMO there was little advantage gained by a small number of students. Not a situation in which such a mess should be created. The exam should have been allowed go ahead tomorrow and the 10 or so students who glimpsed the paper2 will be monitored at correction.

Could you get away with not sitting on saturday? some people have things to do at the weekend.

Cancelling a state exam is not a proportional reaction to 10 or so students getting a slim advantage

If I was in charge id say the contingency exam will be used, but just use the original hard copy. that way nobody knows.

That_Guy

randylonghorn wrote: »

FFS, leave the Soccer Forum out of this, enough emotion in here tonight! :pac:

Seemed like a good idea at the time.

Stinjy wrote: »

Yes I do know that but they do have a better knowledge than I have so I will take whatever hints they give me, they dont just make it up for the craic.. and guess what this year they seemed to be right with the original paper!

They don't know themselves though. It is all speculation on their part but you have to realise that the LC exams don't follow a set pattern. It'd be wrong to think that Kavanagh, Heaney etc come up every 2 years and only study said poets. If the teachers get it right they get it right. It's good guess work.

Anything could have come up on that paper tomorrow had it not been leaked. If it wasn't what people expected it to be they'd be kicking themselves for not studying the other poets and would have no reason to complain.

It'd be no use then blaming the teachers and pointing the finger saying "Oh you told me this was definitely coming up". If you don't back yourself up then prepare for the worst is all I'm saying.

gaeilgegrinds

I'm pretty much always spot on with any predictions I make. Why? Experience...

michaelkhan3

Any one who says theres an extra day to study English is just wrong. Now Maths and English are completely in each others way. If its an extra day to study for English its one less day to study for Maths witch in my opinion is much more Important.

I did my LC last year so its not a problem for me but if I was doing it this year I would seriously considere staying at home studying maths on Saturday morning.

This is ridiculous and every Exam center should have the contingency paper there and ready to go just in case something stupid like this happens.

kona

alan4cult wrote: »

No because the superintendent also reported it to the SEC. It became more than a rumour then.

Yes but It was a rumour to the rest of the country. Which judjing by the responses here was dismissed as bollix.

What the **** is the point of a contingency paper if you cant get it out to the schools?

This whole situation is stunningly stupid. How do these people wipe their ass? Its so straight forward and for it to be signed off by 2 students and a superintendant is unbelievably retarded.

System needs a major change.

Stinjy

That_Guy wrote: »

It's guess work. Teachers believe it or not aren't always right.

Yes I do know that but they do have a better knowledge than I have so I will take whatever hints they give me, they dont just make it up for the craic.. and guess what this year they seemed to be right with the original paper!

[Deleted User]

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Well had the original ppr 2 my teacher was spot on. So wat's ur reply to that?

Is your teacher from Louth?

randylonghorn

That_Guy wrote: »

So if I'm not a Chelsea fan does that mean I can't post in the Chelsea thread in the Soccer forum?

FFS, leave the Soccer Forum out of this, enough emotion in here tonight! :pac:

kona wrote: »

This saga was a rumour till SEC made a mess ad confirmed it, if they kept stum it would have been a better situation.

A better situation how?

Some students would have had a distinct advantage, others would have been unfairly penalised.

Better how exactly?

Reilly616

kona wrote: »

Im rolling my eyes at how Im being quoted the Irish statute book, who the **** cares?? Im sure there are some stupid las in Ireland dating from the 1800s that are in the statute book but are insignificnt.

Of course, but that law is only 11 years old and still stands today. Anyway, too off topic.

alan4cult

kona wrote: »

Id ****ing love to try it and see.:D

How can they prove its deliberate? Too much hassle. Rumours are rumours.

This saga was a rumour till SEC made a mess ad confirmed it, if they kept stum it would have been a better situation.

No because the superintendent also reported it to the SEC. It became more than a rumour then.

kona

Reilly616 wrote: »

You asked what they could do. That's what they could do.

We both know that it's an entirely hypothetical situation.

And I wouldn't roll my eyes at the statute book. While you're living here, you're living by those rules.

Im rolling my eyes at how Im being quoted the Irish statute book, who the **** cares?? Im sure there are some stupid las in Ireland dating from the 1800s that are in the statute book but are insignificnt.

kona

randylonghorn wrote: »

Unfortunately, big knobs like bankers tend to get off scot-free.

It's the injustice of the world.

I suspect anyone deliberately fecking up the LC a second time this year will not be treated so compassionately.

Id ****ing love to try it and see.:D

How can they prove its deliberate? Too much hassle. Rumours are rumours.

This saga was a rumour till SEC made a mess ad confirmed it, if they kept stum it would have been a better situation.

Reilly616

kona wrote: »

oh la-de-da, irish statute book:rolleyes:

Sweet **** all will happen.

A)they have to find you
B)They have to prove it as actually me
C) not going to happen

Im not invincible but I know exactly what the score is, if I got done Id take the punishment.

You asked what they could do. That's what they could do.

We both know that it's an entirely hypothetical situation.

And I wouldn't roll my eyes at the statute book. While you're living here, you're living by those rules.

That_Guy

DanDan6592 wrote: »

Well had the original ppr 2 my teacher was spot on. So wat's ur reply to that?

Coincidence.