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Bulmers Announce 10% reduction on their Pint Bottle of Cider

ronaneire

Has anyone come across the reduction in price of Bulmers Cider (pint bottle)

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/finance/2009/0527/1224247501927.html

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ronaneire

civildefence wrote: »

€5.40 a bottle in 2 different pubs in Dublin 8 and €4.60 a pint. Has been the same for a long time. When does this reduction come into effect?

The publicans are meant to be passing it on now. But how many have?

civildefence

€5.40 a bottle in 2 different pubs in Dublin 8 and €4.60 a pint. Has been the same for a long time. When does this reduction come into effect?

grenache

Can i just point out to patrons, that the Bulmers price reduction does not extend to off licences. Thank you.

Carawaystick

rubadub wrote: »

In town I find the average is €5 for a pint of heineken and €5.20 for a bottle, that is €8.95 per pint. There is no way the additional overheads of serving drink in a bottle would cost €3.95 more.

What town?

Go west and get cans of bulmers for 3 euros odd. granted you are missing the magic 68ml, and a can isn't as nice as a large bottle but definitely nicer than draught bulmers.

Quint

BeerNut wrote: »

Nope. No matter how hot it gets, your tastebuds remain active.

Nothing indeed. But drinks that don't have to be served at tongue-numbingly low temperatures in order to suppress the drinker's gag reflex aren't so subject to seasonal variations.

Not sure what you mean with your first point.
But drinking a pint of bulmers with ice outside on a hot day is a much nicer experience than without ice. It stays cold with the ice in it. any other drink is warm half way through. Obviously a drink doesn't have to be cold on a hot day, but for most people it's a better option to a warm one. I know bland beer appeal to the masses, but i don't think anyone actually puts ice in bulmers on a hot day to surpress their gag reflexes!

BeerNut

Quint wrote: »

You mean making it colder makes it more appealing on a hot day.

Nope. No matter how hot it gets, your tastebuds remain active.

Quint wrote: »

Nothing wrong with wanting a cold drink on a nice day.

Nothing indeed. But drinks that don't have to be served at tongue-numbingly low temperatures in order to suppress the drinker's gag reflex aren't so subject to seasonal variations.

Quint

BeerNut wrote: »

As mentioned above, you can serve the bottled version over ice. Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.

You mean making it colder makes it more appealing on a hot day. Look at bulmers sales, it goes up during good summers and right down during bad ones. Nothing wrong with wanting a cold drink on a nice day.

Max Power1

ronaneire wrote: »

A pint glass with ice and a large bottle, can't beat it. I'd like to know where you are paying €4 a pint?

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Fibber Magees in dublin.. i got charged €8 for 2 pints of bulmers recently. Im more of a snakebite drinker though.

irish_goat

With regards to getting a draught pint of bulmers and then a side glass of ice, the UK Bulmers company do an oversized pint glass that has a line indicating a pint. So you get a full pint and then there's room for the barkeeper to add ice. Should bring them out for the Irish Bulmers.

[Deleted User]

rubadub wrote: »

It sickens me being in rounds with bottle drinkers. In town I find the average is €5 for a pint of heineken and €5.20 for a bottle, that is €8.95 per pint. There is no way the additional overheads of serving drink in a bottle would cost €3.95 more.

I agree, but it wont cost the same.

rubadub

lmtduffy wrote: »

but bottles are more labour intensive than kegs when it comes to storing,moving, serving and disposing.

It sickens me being in rounds with bottle drinkers. In town I find the average is €5 for a pint of heineken and €5.20 for a bottle, that is €8.95 per pint. There is no way the additional overheads of serving drink in a bottle would cost €3.95 more.

toiletduck

Mantel wrote: »

Actually, do the suppliers take back the bottles like the kegs or do the pubs have to get rid of them on their own?

Depends on which bottles your talking about. For the sake of this thread, Bulmers do take them back.

[Deleted User]

IrishWhiskeyCha wrote: »

This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy

But that is more rubbish from the Vintners trade trying to justify the bull on pricing. We are being totally ripped off and the pub trade is dying on it's feet yet they will not tackle the one reason that people are not going to the pup as often as they did ... pricing :rolleyes: ... idiots ... how can you feel sorry for a trade like that.

I used to work in a night club when I was a lad and 2 people could sort a whole raft of bottles in the bottle yard in an hour. So the extra labour is minimal in the big scheme of things. Soft drink mixers cost pittance and they is at least a 10 fold mark up on them. A vodka & Coke should cost the same as a pint or close to it.

Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) . Where is the major space difference, I actually think the keg may take up more space and is much heavier so a bigger effort in moving from yard to keg room. You have to provide fridges for bottles of beer but you have to have a whole spare room (basement) with coolers, gas canisters pipes with draught. Which is easier to manage tell me.

So where is all the extra work coming from ... oh yea I'll give the getting rid of the boxes a bit of an extra there. There may be a cost in getting rid of the packaging but a smart manager should be able to recycle for free.

The Vintners Association :mad:

No I agree completely they are taking the piss, but bottles are more labour intensive than kegs when it comes to storing,moving, serving and disposing.

And bottles take up space behind the bar and need to be brought from the cold/store room to the bar, they need to be restocked quiet often too if you wan to keep the fridges full as well as being sorted for recycling and yeh its easy to get through one in an hour with two people, but a lot of paces may have up to and over 10 to do after a Saturday night.
And regardless if a manager can get things recycled for free your still paying for someone to get the bottles form cold room to bar, bar to where ever you sort them and then to sort them by hand into there respective crates which also have to be stored until some one comes to take them.

Kegs are brought to the one place and can be changed there and removed from there.

Mantel

IrishWhiskeyCha wrote: »

Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) .

How many pints are in a beer? If it's 330ml bottles then it's

50 (roughly) litres (keg) compaired to 31.5 litres (bottles) even with 500ml bottles it's 48 litres, only a litre or two in the difference though

Actually, do the suppliers take back the bottles like the kegs or do the pubs have to get rid of them on their own?

ronaneire

Davidth88 wrote: »

On draught cider, I was told by a publican once that the lines are really difficult to keep clean because they get really sticky.

Publicans don't clean these anymore, they are done by a contracted company on behalf of the brewer.

rubadub

BeerNut wrote: »

Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.

And there are many many people who do not like the taste of booze. Bulmers is very like cidona and many people like ice in their soft drinks. It also dilutes it so means there is more to drink, it is popular on sunny days, if it is daytime and people are only having one or 2 drinks you often see people drinking them more. It will not have as much of a dehydrating effect if taking in more water. Of course you can just drink a glass of water every so often but the macho men are more scared of water than even diet drinks. Getting your water is a sneaky way around the machoness, just like pepsi max or coke zero are for real men, none of that poncy diet stuff;)

Mantel wrote: »

One reason people prefer is, you know what your getting from a bottle. With draft stuff it can vary from pub to pub depending on their pints. Then there's the pouring your own in to a pint glass with ice, makes you thing there's more of it It just sounds messier with a draft pint and ice on the side.

Never saw ice on the side, you would have to drink a bit and then stick ice in, would be messy. Some will moan about unclean pipes and then go stick a ice cube in made with dirty water handled by the piss drenched hand of a barman

IrishWhiskeyCha

lmtduffy wrote: »

keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.

This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy

But that is more rubbish from the Vintners trade trying to justify the bull on pricing. We are being totally ripped off and the pub trade is dying on it's feet yet they will not tackle the one reason that people are not going to the pup as often as they did ... pricing :rolleyes: ... idiots ... how can you feel sorry for a trade like that.

I used to work in a night club when I was a lad and 2 people could sort a whole raft of bottles in the bottle yard in an hour. So the extra labour is minimal in the big scheme of things. Soft drink mixers cost pittance and they is at least a 10 fold mark up on them. A vodka & Coke should cost the same as a pint or close to it.

Next put 1 Keg (88pints) beside 4 boxes of stacked beer x 24 bottles (96 beers) . Where is the major space difference, I actually think the keg may take up more space and is much heavier so a bigger effort in moving from yard to keg room. You have to provide fridges for bottles of beer but you have to have a whole spare room (basement) with coolers, gas canisters pipes with draught. Which is easier to manage tell me.

So where is all the extra work coming from ... oh yea I'll give the getting rid of the boxes a bit of an extra there. There may be a cost in getting rid of the packaging but a smart manager should be able to recycle for free.

The Vintners Association :mad:

Davidth88

On draught cider, I was told by a publican once that the lines are really difficult to keep clean because they get really sticky.

IrishWhiskeyCha

lmtduffy wrote: »

keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.

This tirade is not aimed at you lmtduffy

BeerNut

ronaneire wrote: »

I paid €2.80 for a spash of coke from a minging syrup machine in a pub on Sunday night

Yikes! Though is it better if it comes from a minging syrup machine on the Naas Road?

ronaneire

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Thanks

I had always wondered why soft drinks always cost far more than alcoholic ones, there was me thinking it had something to do with publicans seriously taking the piss.

More then taking the piss I'd say, I paid €2.80 for a spash of coke from a minging syrup machine in a pub on Sunday night, I think it should be classed as extortion. :mad:

Mantel

toiletduck wrote: »

I saw the letter they sent out. Laughable really, looking for sympathy and all.

I don't "get" the concept of a pint bottle, is there really that much of a difference between draught and it tastewise?

One reason people prefer is, you know what your getting from a bottle. With draft stuff it can vary from pub to pub depending on their pints. Then there's the pouring your own in to a pint glass with ice, makes you thing there's more of it

It just sounds messier with a draft pint and ice on the side.

toiletduck

BeerNut wrote: »

As mentioned above, you can serve the bottled version over ice. Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.

Is that it though?! In a pub I worked in a few years ago, the cider drinkers would usually go for a pint of draught with a side glass full of ice. /recession tip for above mentioned peoples

BeerNut

toiletduck wrote: »

is there really that much of a difference between draught and it tastewise?

As mentioned above, you can serve the bottled version over ice. Making it colder means you don't have to taste it. Another win for people who don't like the taste of drink.

toiletduck

I saw the letter they sent out. Laughable really, looking for sympathy and all.

I don't "get" the concept of a pint bottle, is there really that much of a difference between draught and it tastewise?

[Deleted User]

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Thanks

I had always wondered why soft drinks always cost far more than alcoholic ones, there was me thinking it had something to do with publicans seriously taking the piss.

Id say there is an element, as they are complements.

Just consider the nasty that is sorting through bottle skips and the price is slightly more bearable.

Capt'n Midnight

lmtduffy wrote: »

keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.

Thanks

I had always wondered why soft drinks always cost far more than alcoholic ones, there was me thinking it had something to do with publicans seriously taking the piss.

[Deleted User]

keep in mind bottles are often more per ml than draught because of the cost of storing and sorting of the bottles for recycling.

BeerNut

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

isn't that just a half litre ?

Ha ha ha ha! The sly feckers...

Capt'n Midnight

Bulmers Announce 10% reduction on their Pint Bottle of Cider

isn't that just a half litre ?