TequilaMockingBird wrote: » My daughters school does it. I don't think a primary school should have to get the kids to pack bags for money. If we keep paying, the government don't have to. With all due respect to the school, which is brilliant, they need to lobby more, pack less.
starbelgrade wrote: » I thought play schools were commercial businesses? Ie., they make profits. I could be wrong here - I don't have any kids - so don't shoot me down if I'm wrong!
rio-rose wrote: » not in our case starbelgrade, the only money we make is wat we take in everywk (@10euro a day per child) so you take out ESB, supplies, etc etc we do have dam all left and in our case the playschool hasnt changed in the last 25 + yrs so we love to get a fresh up
nicolaonfire wrote: » I had to bag pack for 2 weeks when I was 14. It was awful. You knew that people didn't want you packing their bags and looking at what they are buying but I was made do it. I don't mind bag packers now though because I know what it's like to be standing there, I just let them pack away, saves me packing anyway!
starbelgrade wrote: » Now, I am not a fan of charity in the slightest - in fact, I believe it cuases more harm than it does good, for the simple fact that it allows those responsible for looking after those who can't look after themselves, to pick & choose what we give & when we give it, when really what we should give is all that is needed. By "those responsible", I mean us, as a society & by the simple fact that there is a need for charities, means that we have failed in our responsibilities.
Jabby wrote: » Lookin' down through a tide of no return Is a field where the crops no longer grow Parched is the land, strangled an' be damned There for the Grace Of God Go I
starbelgrade wrote: » I hate when people sing stuff at you in reply - usually it's some random Bob Marley quote.
starbelgrade wrote: » Very poetic, but I haven't a clue what your intended meaning is. Plus, I hate when people sing stuff at you in reply - usually it's some random Bob Marley quote. That p*sses me off.
tuppence wrote: » Lets face it, we all know that this country hasn't got proper provision for its people that need assistance. Its a disgrace that staff should be fundraising for xray machines for temple street and schools subsidised by this type of fundraising. Its rubbish. But we need to change it from the top down. :mad: In the meantime I'd just give the bag packers whatever I can afford.
Jabby wrote: » Hit a nerve there I'd say. Let me put it a little more simply so. Even if it IS a kids football team, what would be so bad about contributing (that is if you can afford it of course) to a set of jerseys or to the upkeep of a club etc. Where the hell else do they get their money from? Instead of pontificating about 'our responsibilities' etc, come up with some positive solutions for God sake.
darealtulip wrote: » Beside contribution and sponsor ship? I think that would pay for all that. It desensitizes me because they are there every week.
Jabby wrote: » I see your point I suppose but there's very little sponsorship these days eh?
darealtulip wrote: » Fair point, I think they need to rethink the fund raising a bit. I think it is a bit habit as well. This is what they always did so lets do it again. Raffles are always a good way to raise funds.
Jabby wrote: » Hit a nerve there I'd say. Let me put it a little more simply so. Let's say that anyone these days could find themselves very suddenly in a position where they may have to accept charity of some kind or other. These organizations have to collect their money whatever way they can. They depend on our generosity. By the way, is there any charity that are NOT on the black list? How about the Sligo Vincent de Paul. Wouldn't a spare euro from those of us who are still fortunate to have it come in handy for some unfortunate who may have dipped below the poverty line through no fault of their own? I'm sure he or she would appreciate it and wouldn't care where the money came from. Even if it IS a kids football team, what would be so bad about contributing (that is if you can afford it of course) to a set of jerseys or to the upkeep of a club etc. Where the hell else do they get their money from? Instead of pontificating about 'our responsibilities' etc, come up with some positive solutions for God sake. If someone doesn't want to give away any money to these people, then they should keep it. Stop snivelling about it. rgds, Jabby
Madge wrote: » What I find strange is that, even in these recessionary times, when a lot of Irish people are on the breadline or struggling to make ends meet, the govt. is still giving millions of euro away in foreign aid
Madge wrote: » Still, it's millions of Euro that shouldn't be given away abroad should it?
starbelgrade wrote: » It doesn't address the core issue - the fact is that many 3rd world countries are in the state they are in because of their "political" leaders, most of whom are dictators who run their countries by force. But there is nothing to be gained for the "Leaders of the Free World" by sorting this out.
starbelgrade wrote: » The world has enough resources to help keep everyone fed & healthy, but the way the pie is divided up, means that some can gorge themselves while others have to rely on the crumbs from the table.
starbelgrade wrote: » On the other hand, there are people in these countries who need help a lot more than people in the 1st world do. Yes, there are people here who are struggling to pay bills, mortgages etc, but there are few - if any - dying from malnutrition / maleria etc.
tuppence wrote: » Hang on, raffles are still fundraising! Sure isnt that letting the government off the hook from their responsibilities. Wasnt that your point! Packing bags is just one way of subsidising these projects. Good community projects like Rio Roses will be getting a mixed bag of income, a little from the govenment (not enough imo), some income from parents and the rest from fundraising. The bag packing aspect of fundrasing is just one way but seems to annoy a fair few people (and people with OCD and the like! ) As Madge rightfully points out it could also be providing a service to others, eg frailer people who need that assistance. We are all in a very honoured postion if we can pick and choose how we give. As Jabby rightfully says we may end up receiving in the end, so perhaps we need to think of that. Then our principled stand on letting the government off the hook may have to go anyway, if the alternative is poverty.
darealtulip wrote: » You get it wrong again, sport clubs are not charity's and hardly the responsebility of the government. They have a member base in which they can do this. You mix up the both now. I was reacting on jabby's post about a sport club. You were talking about the xray machine etc. Two completley different things. I wont give to any of them. The sport clubs could do other fundraising under their own member base. And the other should be paid by the government. You giving to it makes the government stop paying because the funds will be raised anyway. So you get as happened in a lot of country's that government first see if people pay for it themselves and if that doesnt work they will see if they have the responsibilty to do it. Please don't mix the two issues up with my posts. That they both use packing bags as a fund raising doesn't make them the same.
tuppence wrote: » Its all part of the same continuim. I think you are wilfully splitting hairs. Lets call it the voluntary sector, the third sector, the social economy...which charties are but a part of, are all our doing a job eg providing a home help service, providing a hospice care, provding sports services etc All because the private or the public sector (government) either dont think its profitable or in the case of the government wont provide them directly. The Irish government yes gets away with tokenistically fundng. In your example of the sports club,, the gaelic athletic association is the biggest provider of sports services in Ireland and the biggest voluntary organisation in Ireland. They recive small funding from the Sports Council afaik but most of their money comes in through gate receipts and volunteering and fundraising from the public. They do need support from the local voluntary membership base to survive. We get the government we choose. I wouldnt agree that you stop supporting vol sector in the meantime.
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