silvine wrote: » The Cylons were the 13th tribe who left Kobol.
They settled on Earth and created their own Cylons who rebelled and killed them.
By the time the final five reached the 12 colonies the humans had created their own Cylons and were in a war with them.
So the final five gave these new Cylons reseurrection technology if they agreed to stop the war
but they were betrayed had their memories wiped and were sent to live in hiding by Cavil.
So: Who created the final five?
What happened to the original cylons/humans?
Does the first Cylon war have anything to do with theskin jobs?
Does anyone else's head hurt?
noodler wrote: » Truly awful argument there mate. Basically amounts to "I wouldn't really find that interesting". I think the majority of us would love to see how the traitors were dealt with. What do you mean potential actions? Mutiny is treason and treason warrants the death sentence.
Syferus wrote: » You were hinting at how their potential killing of Lee would mean they might have deserved death, the fact they mutinied is a given. They can't be tried for what might have happened in any case. And again, it's not that it's not interesting, but it would feel old hat if they had a major storylie the next episode dealing with very peripheral characters like those one or other simliar ones, again retracing the steps taken in 'Collaborators', a few episodes from the end of the series. It's simply not what I want them - or most other people would want, I'd safely assume - to devote sigificant amounts of time to, at least not from the peripheral characters' point of view. A more interesting slant would be something to do with Helo and his exprience, especially since Helo's been in the background for quite a few episodes now.
Syferus wrote: » I really don't want them to spend large amounts of what little time the show has left repeating 'Collabrators', so it's hard for me to be too worried about them putting a nice moralistic you-reap-what-you-sow slant on a storyline, the sorts of things Battlestar has thankfully strayed away from. I think it's a little much to want those characters dead for their potential actions, but it's hard to imagine any of them being let service anything but the hanger floors aboard Galactica, if ineed, they still are. You also have to remember just how peripheral most of them are - a rung lower than even one-minute storyline wonders like Hotdog. Battlestar has such a huge established cast that it has to centre on groups at a time to avoid it becoming directionless mush.And again, it's probably too early to assume there won't be references and nuggets about the mutiny's aftermath to come, especially since Battlestar has always done a good job at keeping it's past current. On a different note, those Cavil-Tyrol counseling sessions is season 2 yet again take on a new perspective when you take into account Cavil's knowledge. And yeah, some of it is on-the-fly filling in, but the show has done such a good job in leaving the gaps to make these turns believable and sensible.
Rented Mule wrote: » My mind suddenly took off in another direction for a moment there. Is Ellen the devil ?? lol
Jesjes wrote: » Thats a good read. I think the next few episodes are going to have us just as wound up. I wonder how long it'd take to watch the whole series from start to finish? A weekend wouldnt be enough.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » 2 weeks there abouts I bought the mini series last weekend after the constant badgering of monkeyfudge Watched it saturday evening, went and got seris 1, got through that by monday night series 2 was tuesday wednesday thursday and finished friday afternoon series 3 was the weekend and I just caught up with you guys last night. so 12 days with an average of 3-4 episodes a weeknight and 10 a weekend.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » 2 weeks there abouts
Goodshape wrote: » So what's your verdict on the show as a whole so far? Must be a fairly different experience to most of us, having had a number of excruciatingly long breaks between seasons and mid-seasons.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » If earth got nuked by the cylons that the 13th tribe (also cylon) created and the final 5 are of the 13th tribe variant. Where are the nuking cylons? Are they the ones leading Karra Thrace along?
Goodshape wrote: » Best question I've heard so far! Don't think anything has been mentioned about the fate of those Cylons (yet?), and of course that all happened thousands of years ago -- they could have evolved and developed quite a bit since then.
Syferus wrote: » The mid-season opener was pretty clear in that they meant that both sides were devestated from the nuclear war, alá every apocalyptic Cold War story ever made. The Final Five are the 'Final Five' survivors from Earth. So yeah, you can cut that theory off the pile at least. Not like we're berift of them, now is it?
Syferus wrote: » Never disagreed that it could get a cameo part and it would be succinct and thus interesting, but not some sort of thing where all the 'established' cast get nice rounded-out conclusions. On the Lee thing - again - no one said they wouldn't be punished, but I doubt a death penalty would be fitting, especially given the already fractured nature of the ship. The more quietly the aftermath of something like this can be dealt with, the better for the well being of the fleet and Galactica in particular. Show trials (which would be necessary moral device if characters outside the ringleaders were to be made 'pay' for their actions beyond demotion or discharge) would be anything but, and would again retrace much of the ground covered in Balthar's rather long trial at the end of last season.
They dug up centurions with the cylons. The centurions turned on the humanoid cylons, nuked the planet and only the final 5 escaped because they had just developed resurrection. I'm guessing everyone else (cylons and centurions) were wiped out in the ensuing fallout.
CodeMonkey wrote: » Writers answer questions about episode "No Exit" here.
Syferus wrote: » I could never imagine watching Battlestar, of all shows, in a marathon format. It's such a dense show that I enjoy stewing over each epiosde for a while before moving on almost as much as watching the episode.
Overheal wrote: » "There are 12 Cylon models. I am Number Six."
BlitzKrieg wrote: » Cavil etc side with them while the colonials/rebels etc side with the final 5 and we get out finale man vs machine battle where the notion of being a machine and being human is not about wiring or blood but about philosaphy of life and love (or lack of)
BlitzKrieg wrote: » But the whole point of the final 5's journey was to stop the humans from mistreating their own cylons and destroying each other.
noodler wrote: » I don't think you have trials in these situations. Do you remember the Pegasus episode and Cain? A "court martial" was done and dusted in about 15 seconds. It is nothing like Baltar's trial-all Baltar's charges lack the neccessary evidence and he did nothing wrong on New Caprica in my book. This is open and armed defiance against Adama which the big man promised he wouldn't forgive. Now I do understand we have time restrictions etc but that doesn't mean some more light being shed on the fate of the mutineers would have been beneficial. Hell it seemed like the majority of the non-civilians were with Gaeta. Also how weak was it when the 10 or so Marines assigned to his execution jumped ship back to Adama's side? I mean did they actually mutiny for a principle or what-even worse why didn't they just take Adama and co down once they got their weapons back. It was a good story but it suffered wildly by having to be put down so succintly and unrealistically. Back to more recent discussion I am robbing this idead from BSGCast (you guys should check out that site btw if you don't know about it-they have a two person discussion on the episodes as they go and even have some pretty good interviews) but I think there is merit to anyone saying Kara, and possibly Baltar, are Lords of Kobol.
noodler wrote: » Back to more recent discussion I am robbing this idead from BSGCast (you guys should check out that site btw if you don't know about it-they have a two person discussion on the episodes as they go and even have some pretty good interviews) but I think there is merit to anyone saying Kara, and possibly Baltar, are Lords of Kobol.
MisterAnarchy wrote: » I see the series has been lengthened by one episode . There will now be 21 episodes in series 4 instead of 20.Super So 6 more episodes left .
Who or what, then, is Starbuck? Ryan: Do you really want to me to answer that with five episodes to go? C’mon… tune in next week.
