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public/civil servants im going to run you over...

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if i see any of you picketing, i wont be stopping to offer my support, beeping my horn to show support or kind of support of other means! you self righteous shower of *****. who gives you the right to think you can screw the country just cause you are not getting what you want! wake up to reality!

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easyontheeye

branners69 wrote: »

I think you have to be a civil servant to fully understand your point

:rolleyes: no surprise there...

Professey Chin

Shelby Bumpy Bridle wrote: »

Carpe diem

Roberto Baggio

branners69

easyontheeye wrote: »

:rolleyes: no surprise there...

So what industry do you work in?

twinytwo

jim o doom wrote: »

yes, and many people employed pre 1995 would be the HIGHER paid servants, not the lowest rung like me and my mates who are only here a few years & pay the SAME damn PRSI as EVERYONE ELSE. Also, anyone who goes on a "career break" now, is being put of returning until AFTER the recession, so no job for them then. and try reading the previous posts in the thread, it's not about "job security", it's about the levy being unfair to the lowest paid.

So you would rather not pay the levy than say be out of a job with a mortage to pay and kids to put through school? So what exaclty do you do in the CS?

easyontheeye

branners69 wrote: »

So what industry do you work in?

IT...but what does that matter? ive taken a 15% pay cut, glad i still have a job...alot more grateful than you lot.

damo

Correct me if Im wrong but it wasn't the Gardai, nurses or teachers who screwed the country up in the first place but it is them who are now taking a financial hit to subsidise those who did.

Anyone who uses this argument just does not have a fundemental understanding of economics. However to counter it, neither did 99.9% of workers in the private sector.

A few statistics you will never hear reported by rte (because they are civil servants too) is that in the public sector, the average wage of lower and mid level employees (not managers) make on average 20% more than people of similar education and experience levels in the private sector. Also, even with this pension levy, private sectors workers still have to contribute far more to their pensions.

The entire country knows that the public sector is overstaffed, overpaid and under worked. The wage bill is crippling the country and if you think there arent going to be redundancies and actual pay cuts next year when we have to find four billion in savings, then you are delusional.

The International Monetary Fund, whom the union leaders are terrified of (because they will force reality upon them) could yet be called into ireland to sort out the mess. They would/will fire all the unneccesary public workers that we have, and bring the wages down to a realistic level.

The public sector still have it wayyyy better than the private sector, those of you who believe that this pension levy is real cause for a strike are morons and your strikes will ruin the country.

jim o doom

Right, I NEVER SAID in ANY of my posts, we SHOULDN'T pay the levy. I think all civil servants SHOULD in fact. I however have posted several times, which you are clearly TOO LAZY to read, that the levy should be GREATER for those who get paid more, because they have received MASSIVE increases (much more so than the lowest paid) since 2000, and less for those with less, as they cannot afford it.

Job security is all good and well, but if they government were to make civil servants "redundant" they would still have to pay them money, through the live register. so redundancies don't make sense.

I basically give up, people aren't reading my posts and responding, they are just posting based on what they think & nothing to do with reality.. 2 pages of debate & then the page 3 reponses manage to miss everything that was posted for 2 pages. this is SO depressing

branners69

easyontheeye wrote: »

IT...but what does that matter? ive taken a 15% pay cut, glad i still have a job...alot more grateful than you lot.

branners69 wrote: »

I get well paid for what I do, I love having flexi and sleep easy at night knowing my job is pretty safe and I can put food on the table for my family!

Obviously working in IT like social skills, reading isnt your strong point! Does the above not sound like I am grateful?

And I assume it is only a matter of time that I will have as little sympathy for you as have towards civil servants when your job moves to Hungary or Poland!!

T-K-O

Absolutely no sympathy for public/civil servants. So you guys now have to contribute to your pension. So what, Who pays for my pension ??

I have siblings working as Firemen / Gardai and paying just under 70 euro for the pension is nothing. We let 5 guys go last week. Those guys are now taking home a big fat 0.

The whole public sector is a joke, some of the stories I have heard would make you vomit (first hand stories). The problem is that 20% need to be axed altogether so IMO they are getting on light.

If the unions decide to strike its a complete joke and it will have a devastating effect on the county. Are you guys aware of how much money is wasted by some of these unions llike the INTO

Stand up take the hit and move on.

twinytwo

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2007/06/10/story24228.asp

"If you are sitting the Leaving Cert this week, then it would make financial sense to consider a career in the public sector before making a final job choice.

That’s because you will earn on average €47,000 a year in the public sector compared with just €32,000 a year in industry.

That works out at €275 more a week on average in the public sector than in industry.

Average weekly earnings for public sector employees came to €899 in 2006, compared with just €624 for industry, according to figures published by the Central Statistics Office (CSO) earlier this year."

"It may seem a long way off now, but the typical public sector pension is worth about €1million more in retirement than a private sector one, according to figures supplied by business lobby group Chambers Ireland. It’s pretty much the difference between winning and losing the Lotto."

http://archives.tcm.ie/businesspost/2005/03/06/story2904.asp

"The public sector employs 20 per cent of Ireland's working population, but has 35 per cent of the country's pension entitlements, according to financial consultants Watson Wyatt."

"The public sector pension bill increased by 8 per cent last year to €1.241 billion, according to the Department of Finance. Overall, the public sector pension bill has increased by 86 per cent over the last five years. "

glaston

RATM wrote: »

Correct me if Im wrong but it wasn't the Gardai, nurses or teachers who screwed the country up in the first place but it is them who are now taking a financial hit to subsidise those who did.

You are wrong imo (the unions are masters at spreading this nonsensical drivel). The are making them pay for their own pensions, pensions which the rest of the country can only dream about having.
Best job security in the country and a guaranteed pension and we are supposed to have sympathy?
I'd like to start a counter demonstration.

RasTa

jim o doom wrote: »

Right, I NEVER SAID in ANY of my posts, we SHOULDN'T pay the levy. I think all civil servants SHOULD in fact.

Then what are you moaning about, are you going to strike based on the fact that the higher earners in your organisation aren't getting a bigger levy imposed on them? That seems pretty pointless.

jim o doom

RasTa wrote: »

Then what are you moaning about, are you going to strike based on the fact that the higher earners in your organisation aren't getting a bigger levy imposed on them? That seems pretty pointless.

target="_blank">http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055485664&page=2 READ POST 28 YOUR QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.</p>

ParkRunner

I think the focus should be on dragging the standards of the private sector rather up i.e. job security and a half decent pension, rather than say to those at the bottom the ladder of the civil service take an income levy, take a pension levy, take a pay freeze, don't expect any promotion and expect an increase in your income tax soon. And if you even think of making an objection you will be run over

twinytwo

jim o doom wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055485664&page=2READ POST 28 YOUR QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.

Maybe you dont know this but shouting down your computer dosent actually work.... so whats with the caps??

RasTa

jim o doom wrote: »

target="_blank">http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055485664&page=2 READ POST 28 YOUR QUESTION HAS ALREADY BEEN ANSWERED.</p>

No you didn't you went on some rant about you're bosses getting paid more then you.

jim o doom

twinytwo wrote: »

Maybe you dont know this but shouting down your computer dosent actually work.... so whats with the caps??

It's due to frustration.

twinytwo

jim o doom wrote: »

It's due to frustration.

MAy i suggest a punch bag with a cut out of biffo stuck on it?:D

jim o doom

RasTa wrote: »

No you didn't you went on some rant about you're bosses getting paid more then you.

not really; what I said was the levy should be higher for those who get paid a lot more.. and lower for those who get paid less, is that really so hard to understand, that you need to "interpret" it as a rant?

delop

Quit! I know plenty of people who would do your job and be very happy with it!

jim o doom

twinytwo wrote: »

MAy i suggest a punch bag with a cut out of biffo stuck on it?:D

lol I have a punch bag, I think I may be sticking biffo's head on it tonight

good suggestion btw

Loomis

easyontheeye wrote: »

they still have jobs dont they.... 200 euro a week or a few % pay cut...

and everyone is taking a hit...get real!

You are talking utter utter rubbish.

Everyone is taking a hit. They are taking the biggest hit.

Eg
Both my parents work in a really tough job. They have worked their asses off for the past 20 years to work their way up the pay scale. My mother has been promoted twice in the past few years. Which is great for her income.
This "few % pay cut" you talk about works out at 8k a year. So my mother, having been promoted, is now effectively doing the job but will now earn the same as someone two positions below her. And she should just say "ah sure what harm" according to you?

My parents still have a mortgage, cars and a child to put through college and it's quite a bit more difficult doing it now losing 16k a year to this fiasco.

There's a huge difference in some executive earning 100-200k a year taking a 8k a year hit. It's something entirely different for the ordinary working person.

hobochris

branners69 wrote: »

Obviously working in IT like social skills, reading isnt your strong point! Does the above not sound like I am grateful?

And I assume it is only a matter of time that I will have as little sympathy for you as have towards civil servants when your job moves to Hungary or Poland!!

So its gone from constructive points to attacking someone through stereo types about their profession.

I'm in IT as well I hope I have to move to Poland or somewhere as I'll have a head start against many of the locals with the multinationals as while they need to be trained up, I'm trained and have relevant experience.

Leaving the government and the unions scratching their heads as to how they are going to pay the overpriced public sector workers when all the private sector workers show the same loyalty that the multinationals do to this sham of a country.

I have to say any national pride I had has disappeared over the last 6 months.

jim o doom

delop wrote: »

Quit! I know plenty of people who would do your job and be very happy with it!

Don't post. EDIT: i know plent of people who would be happy to post intelligent replies.

stovelid

Yeah!

Biggins

peasant wrote: »

Divide et impera

Yep and as long as we are infighting too, we are distracted away from taking actions against those really responsible.

Has many read 1984 where part of the sub-plot was a never ending war, to keep the populace distracted away from the actually inner-workings of the government and their daily actions!

javaboy

jim o doom wrote: »

Solutions for morons who post sugesstions so idiotic it beggars belief

Don't post. EDIT: i know plent of people who would be happy to post intelligent replies.

That's thinly veiled personal abuse. Consider this a warning.

delop

jim o doom wrote: »

Don't post. EDIT: i know plent of people who would be happy to post intelligent replies.

Well now, if ye do go in the direction one day stoppages, make sure ye carry the Nurses and Gardai with ye, otherwise the private sector wont notice, and the Gov might implement another cost cutting measure....

Is that better

hobochris

EF wrote: »

I think the focus should be on dragging the standards of the private sector rather up i.e. job security and a half decent pension, rather than say to those at the bottom the ladder of the civil service take an income levy, take a pension levy, take a pay freeze, don't expect any promotion and expect an increase in your income tax soon. And if you even think of making an objection you will be run over

unfortunately though while it sounds good in principal this would defy the nature of the private sector companies, who's main goal is profit. Meaning they will only ever give the going rate and will always go with the least demanding worker with the most experience. While the governments goal is to stay in power, they do this by keeping a majority of people happy, hence the cushy public sector positions with a list of benefits that are not enjoyed by the private sector but they still gotta pay for the public sector to have them though.

I agree that the lowest paid public sector shouldn't have to suffer as much and the the government are doing the whole thing wrong but also that everyone must take a hit & there are some higher paid public sector workers who are jumping on the band wagon to protect their un-justified higher wages.

lower paid public sector have my support, the rest of the public sector can get ****ed and should realize that the private sector is suffering serious pain and that means that they must suffer to. after all that's what benchmarking is. when its good in the private sector the public sector also gets it good when its bad in the private sector the public sector must follow (not have a hissy fit unless you can come up with a fair way to maintain your wages)...

steof1984

I dont wanna get involved in arguing Public vs Private again (seems like thats been the only debate on boards for the past 2 weeks)

I will ask though

Glaston, TwintyTwo, Delop

If the public sector is such a great place to work where you earn a fortune for doing nothing . Why did you never apply ?