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is there an all out gangland war going on?

pebbles21

http://www.rte.ie/news/2009/0120/coldwinters.html

another one shot dead this evening after 3 last night and countless others in the last few weeks

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tribulus

Meh

Pen1987

Countless others?

I didn't notice any more than normal to be honest...

Biggins

It was expected if its related to a previous recent shooting!

Kiera

Hopefully no innocent people get shot and they all just shoot each other. No loss tbh.....

pebbles21

Pen1987 wrote: »

Countless others?

I didn't notice any more than normal to be honest...

ok not countless sorry but a spate of shooting

pebbles21

Biggins wrote: »

It was expected!

any idea who it was biggins?

brendansmith

Hmmmm, I see whats goin on here.

Nehaxak

Yes is the answer but it's been going on for a while. The recession (strangely enough) has made it all the more worse by fueling greed among drug dealers (drug pushing thrives in such times) who are trying to control wider area's outside of what they were used too, which then eventually leads to tit for tat killings until enough are dead or scared enough to move on elsewhere with their pushing.

Also a factor is that a significant amount of "political" underworld figures where also arrested in the past few weeks, who kept things generally in check around Dublin at least. So now that they're off the scene for a while, a power stuggle ensues to gain control of the void left otherwise mostly untouchable.

Would be easy to blame the Gardaí for not doing much about it but they've neither the competence, training, resources or support to deal with it either so not their fault. Not saying they're incompetent, I'm just saying they don't have significant actual current competence in their staff/force to deal with the problem in a proper manner and enough time and resources (as well as man power) to dedicate to dealing with it.

Might take a couple of famous nobodies/models to die before they get support again.

m83

To answer your question, you seek someone with a greater level of intellect than me.

JIZZLORD

i blame society!

The_Minister

Nehaxak wrote: »

Also a factor is that a significant amount of "political" underworld figures where also arrested in the past few weeks, who kept things generally in check around Dublin at least. So now that they're off the scene for a while, a power stuggle ensues to gain control of the void left otherwise mostly untouchable.

Thats one of the big ironies - the better the guards do in fighting these people, the more people die.

TheNog

Nehaxak wrote: »

Yes is the answer but it's been going on for a while. The recession (strangely enough) has made it all the more worse by fueling greed among drug dealers (drug pushing thrives in such times) who are trying to control wider area's outside of what they were used too, which then eventually leads to tit for tat killings until enough are dead or scared enough to move on elsewhere with their pushing.

Also a factor is that a significant amount of "political" underworld figures where also arrested in the past few weeks, who kept things generally in check around Dublin at least. So now that they're off the scene for a while, a power stuggle ensues to gain control of the void left otherwise mostly untouchable.

Would be easy to blame the Gardaí for not doing much about it but they've neither the competence, training, resources or support to deal with it either so not their fault. Not saying they're incompetent, I'm just saying they don't have significant actual current competence in their staff/force to deal with the problem in a proper manner and enough time and resources (as well as man power) to dedicate to dealing with it.

Might take a couple of famous nobodies/models to die before they get support again.

The problem with trying to put these people in prison is the necessary proof to do it. Although some have been caught red-handed such as Liam Keane, the majority of criminals dont get caught in the act. The only alternative available then is a long investigation and for a successful investigation you need statements from people in the know. Statements and people who will stand up in court and here is the problem. The people in the know of a scrote are either too afraid to stand up or are involved with the scrote.

People and their families have been intimidated in the past with their lives. So the question is

"If you saw a murder and could identify the culprit, would you stand up in court and give evidence if you and your family have been threatened?"

Most people wouldnt and I couldnt blame them. Remember these guys are complete and utter physco's and will do anything to protect them, their money and their patch.

utick

Kiera wrote: »

Hopefully no innocent people get shot and they all just shoot each other. No loss tbh.....

i dont think there were innocents killed but there was a security guy shot in dublin yesterday aswell in a botched robbery

TheNog

utick wrote: »

i dont think there were innocents killed but there was a security guy shot in dublin yesterday aswell in a botched robbery

Unfortunately thats not entire true. The most recent ones below:

Anthony Campbell
http://www.independent.ie/other/gangland-victim-was-an-innocent-bystander-1117047.html

Shane Geoghan
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/limerick-gangland-victim-to-be-laid-to-rest-1534763.html

AskYerMa

who ****in cares, aslong as innocent ppl aren't gettin killed, let these scumbags shoot each other........

utick

TheNog wrote: »

Unfortunately thats not entire true. The most recent ones below:

Anthony Campbell
http://www.independent.ie/other/gangland-victim-was-an-innocent-bystander-1117047.html

Shane Geoghan
http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/national-news/limerick-gangland-victim-to-be-laid-to-rest-1534763.html

oh i know there have been inocents killed alright and you could probably add many more to the 2 you mentioned but i think he was asking just about last night

AskYerMa

yes i was just talking about them last nite, its sick that that poor young lad who was the plumber was shot dead for being in the wrong place at the wrong time, but by in large its gangland murder on another gangland member... leave them to it i say

utick

Pen1987 wrote: »

Countless others?

I didn't notice any more than normal to be honest...

apparently was 10 people shot in the last 2 weeks, not countless but quite a few

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2009/0121/1232474671090.html

TheNog

utick wrote: »

oh i know there have been inocents killed alright and you could probably add many more to the 2 you mentioned but i think he was asking just about last night

sorry didnt see the other post

Slunk

Whats making things worse is the fact these people cannot shoot properly. I heard on the news he was shot four times in the head and was taken to hospital where he later died. What are they shooting with. Water pistols? Surely he was able to tell his assosiates who it was and put the hit out on them before he died.

Same in Tallaght, two others in the car were injured, so they know who shot them, so revenge attacks should be expected. And in Summerhill not so long ago, one of the people shot lived for a few days then died. He must have known the shooters as he was in a car with them.

gurramok

Its getting to be like scenes out of The Wire out there!

Victor

Kiera wrote: »

Hopefully no innocent people get shot and they all just shoot each other. No loss tbh.....

Even if "guilty" people get shot, those people have families and neighbours.

Slunk

What about that bloke who was shot in Tallaght. Says in the paper he was known to Gardai as a thug who was into burglary, imtimidation and random attacks on people. He broke a womans jaw. He like to act the hard man. What about all the people and their families who have been victim to his thuggery?? People like this are scum, their families must know what they are like and although I have some sympathy for his parents, if he was out of control, its not an awful lot. Better off dead that inflicting more misery on decent people

Deadzone

Victor wrote: »

Even if "guilty" people get shot, those people have families and neighbours.

Should have thought about them before they decided to get involved.

mountainyman

Victor wrote: »

Even if "guilty" people get shot, those people have families and neighbours.

So what? Unless the neighbours or family are hurt in the crossfire. I feel sorry for the neighbours but their own families should have nothing to do with them.

It is terrible about Shane Geoghan.

Victor

mountainyman wrote: »

So what? Unless the neighbours or family are hurt in the crossfire. I feel sorry for the neighbours but their own families should have nothing to do with them.

So a baby should disown its parents / wider family?

Shiny

Victor wrote: »

So a baby should disown its parents / wider family?

No, but if its scumbag Father is shot and killed, wouldn't it at least
reduce the possibility of it going up to be a similar scumbag too?

Relevant

Even if these guys only kill each other, what about the gardai who have to respond to the calls and investigate the murders? They have no choice in it so is it ok that they have to put themselves in danger?

mountainyman

Victor wrote: »

So a baby should disown its parents / wider family?

No babies have been killed in the current violence. The mother shouldn't be with a criminal though.

tbh

Shiny wrote: »

No, but if its scumbag Father is shot and killed, wouldn't it at least
reduce the possibility of it going up to be a similar scumbag too?

eh no. It would dramatically increase the possibility.