Diogenes wrote: » So lets be clear on this paradox, Hamas has launched dozens of missiles with a poor death toil, Isreali has launched a similar amount of rockets with, depressingly, a much larger death toil. So essentially your argument is that the Palestinians are the wronged party because they broke the cease fire, their technology was inferior, and were related by a better armed foe. By your logic a man with a knife attacking bruce lee, shouldn't be held accountable for his actions. If Hamas had effective weapons technology they use it. And they'd be happy iif an they could launch a barrage of rockets and kill thousands of people. If israeli decided that Hamas' rocket attacks were a big jape, and ignored them A) Israeli Citizens would deal with random rocket attacks, which are so much fun. Hamas would get the range of Israeli houses. C) Hamas would improve rocket design. Now I'm not saying I agree with Israeli policy, but if you really thing people should endure sustained rocket attacks for days, and then get told "hey could be worse you could get killed by a folding couch" is just absurd. Suggesting that Hamas has not place in the blame of this. Oh and MC suggesting that the situation needs to be simplified, is just ignorant. Your, well documented racism is on display again.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » Lets be clear on this, the ceasefire was expired.
Let us also be clear on this, there was provovation from the Israeli side.
Also, I am well aware of how evil hamas ideology and actions are, I make no excuses. But I challenge everyone out there who considers themselves unbiased,
and on the side of rational and justice in a single, simple post if they truly consider that there is equal wrong on both sides. To briefly mention what the Israeli's are doing wrong and however partially it is that the Palestinian's are justified in their actions.
Mahatma coat wrote: » the relevance of one point to the other is sketchy at best
also just because you dont understand 'free energy' we're supposed to dismiss the entire concept.
Mahatma coat wrote: » also just because you dont understand 'free energy' we're supposed to dismiss the entire concept.
starn wrote: » Im sory Ive just spotted this now. This is a absoluty ridiculose statment. Can you please qualify it by listing your professional qulifications in Physics. Mathmamatical science or Engineering I hold one degree in Applied Physics and am currently completing my second in Geology and I know that all this free energy baloney is a crock. It violates a couple of very well established physical laws. But if youve picked up some groundbreaking insight bumming around Oz and woking on your farm. That no one else in the established scientific community has missed, can you please enlightan us all, and explain how Free Energy can be anything more then a load of **** Im sorry but youve just shown up how guilible and misinformed you really are. Or is it all down to a distrust of "Jewish Sience"
nyarlothothep wrote: » Could still be a very very remote possibility though
Sofa_King Good wrote: » I'm not trying by to single out the BBC but here http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1101744/Stephen-Glover-Pontificating-Mr-Peston-self-indulgent-bloggers-BBC-stop-putting-opinion-facts.html - My point was that have you ever seen orthodox jews quoted in any news article on the BBC?
Sofa_King Good wrote: » An out of court settlement? must try harder I feel.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » It would be impossible to cover up the attacks. The just have to semi-legitimise them, which is what is happening.
King Mob wrote: » No, no it's not. It's impossible.
nyarlothothep wrote: » It is totally incorrect to say that it is 100% impossible, our knowledge of the universe is incomplete, it could be possible.
nyarlothothep wrote: » its proven but it can still be falsified, that's scientific method
King Mob wrote: » It's proven beyond reasonable doubt. It's reasonable to assume that random crack pots haven't turned physics on it's head in their garage.
nyarlothothep wrote: » well maybe they have turned physics on it's head. Steorn have a panel of 21 scientists reviewing their findings. All this brouhaha is rather pointless now for them, why go to such lengths.
King Mob wrote: » Steorn have also yet to produce any evidence to verify their claims. They aren't the first to claim they have a free energy machine either.
nyarlothothep wrote: » dudes, seriously, I'll let you in on a little secret, 2010, you're going to see a revelation from Steorn
Diogenes wrote: » So the first party to break the cease fire is absolved of all responsibilty?
Diogenes wrote: » Such as?
Diogenes wrote: » You mean aside from excuses like pointing out more people are killed by folding couches than hamas rockets? Right?
Diogenes wrote: » Yeah because that works. Look not being funny here, but the only way we came close to sorting out this mess of an Island and our own conflict, is by unilaterally saying neither side had a greater right to commit terrorism, and both sides had to accept that some form of compromise, which would include, for example, accepting that murdering terrorists on both sides would be released. We stood up and took it, everyone did. How you can claim that an organisation with lauds and rewards the families of suicide bombers who kill dozens of innocent people on bus is on the side of rationality and justice?
King Mob wrote: » What exactly are you getting at? Why won't the BBC quote Othodox Jews exactly?
King Mob wrote: » So they apologised why? It was covered up why?
King Mob wrote: » So even though they control the entire media it's impossible? How exactly is it being semi-legitimised?
King Mob wrote: » So can you actually supply any evidence to show the media is controlled?
Sofa_King Good wrote: » Again. The cease fire was expired.
Take your pick, but please read some of it.http://www.btselem.org/english/List_of_Topics.asphttp://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/WO0505/S00427.htmhttp://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/yazarDetay.do?haberno=162581
It was to demonstrate the dispraportionate response.
I didn't. I claimed the like of yourself and King Mob who claim impartiality, objectivity and common sense tend not to practice what you preach, meaning if there came about an anti_Palestinian post I cannot imagine you defend the Palestinian position or people.
Diogenes wrote: » Again. Because the cease fire is expired is it acceptable to be the first one to breach it.
Diogenes wrote: » So to be clear, Israeli, after the cease fire is broken, by Hamas, engage in a humanitarian act opening the border crossings, and they're the ones in the wrong?
Diogenes wrote: » Ah so you're not excusing Hamas with your folding chair analogy you're just, what justifying it?
Diogenes wrote: » Heres another metaphor for you, suppose a guy is trying to run you over, or shoot you, he just happens to be a very bad driver, or a poor shot. Does that quality of his effort, excuse his intent?
Diogenes wrote: » Hamas has launched dozens of rockets at Israeli settlements to little effect, Israeli has done similar to Hamas encampments to devastating consequences. Doesn't the intent matter matter to you?
Diogenes wrote: » You're basically saying Israeli in the wrong because they're better at it.
Diogenes wrote: » A close friend of my wife is missing a chunk out of her leg from an Israeli sniper, she was guiding a group of children to shelter during the 2nd Infadia. A very dear friend of mine worked as human shield during the olive picking. During the start of the 2nd infadia, I spent extensive time at the sit in at the Israeli embassy in Dublin. In short, I doubt theres any one else on this forum who can say they've gotten homemade baklava outside the Israeli embassy in ballsbridge on a cold march night in 2002 from Palestinian immigrants, aside from me. The OP is clearly following his own religious agenda, and one of our mods isn't so much a friend of the Palestinian cause so much as he is horrendously anti semitic, so I am playing devils advocate, because it's important, indeed, vital, for both sides to see the others position otherwise, there will be no progress.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » That was my question.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » Their smear was proven false.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » who said the entire media?
Sofa_King Good wrote: » Read the interpal article again as an subtle wxample.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » I didn't. I claimed the like of yourself and King Mob who claim impartiality, objectivity and common sense tend not to practice what you preach, meaning if there came about an anti_Palestinian post I cannot imagine you defend the Palestinian position or people.
Sofa_King Good wrote: » This is merely one example from a Jewish Daily of Sam Zell, Chairman and CEO of Tribune Group. http://www.forward.com/articles/billionaire-boychiks-battle-for-media-empire/
King Mob wrote: » I don't agree with either Hamas's or the Israeli's government's actions. And I can separate between a people's government and the people themselves, unlike you apparently. So it depends on what you mean by anti Palestinian? If it's anti Hamas then no I wouldn't defend them. If it's like "all Palestinians are terrorists" or some ridiculous conspiracy theory the yes I would defend them.
King Mob wrote: » First off just because this man is a Jew it does not mean he's part of a global conspiracy. It's stupid and racist to accuse otherwise without some evidence. Second have you any proof that he has altered any facts in the name of the NWO or whatever? Or have you just assumed he will?
Sofa_King Good wrote: » So on the fence then? So you believe neither side has any of the moral high ground at all? Both sides are equally at fault and equally justified in their responses?
Sofa_King Good wrote: » First of all I never mentioned this mans religion. He could just as easily be a Christian Zionist or an Atheist Zionist or whatever. He is referred to as a "committed Zionist" by his own rabbi. You tthink It is Stupid and racist to think that a "committed Zionist" would not have his media outlet(s) look upon the middle eastern question objectively.? I would think that is extremely naive to think otherwise .
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