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Countdown to the Bomb

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Israel and Palestine are at it again, as Gaza has been shelled once more this morning. And it is seeming like we're getting ever closer to one launching a nuclear strike against the other.

So, give your ideas as to when this will happen.

I'm going to say June 15th of this year.

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ninebeanrows

Yep this is it WW3

Another great year ahead:(

Biggins

Weathercheck wrote: »

Yep this is it WW3

Naa, this is just the precursors...

Weathercheck wrote: »

Another great year ahead

Yep, agree with you there. Its like "here we go again..."

rossie1977

Deleted User wrote: »

Fine. What about.. er .. China and America then.

china are not stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the USA, they have about 150 nukes (about 50 ICBMs capable of reaching america) compared to USA with 6,000 active and another 15,000 disassembled ready to go within a few weeks

Biggins

rossie1977 wrote: »

china are not stupid enough to start a nuclear war with the USA, they have about 150 nukes (about 50 ICBMs capable of reaching america) compared to USA with 6,000 active and another 15,000 disassembled ready to go within a few weeks

MAD

Mutually
Assured
Destruction

Thats what has stopped the nukes flying so far.

Where the fear is, is where the nuke states are that are shaky in their government foundations.
There is a number of now weak nuke empowered states that could easily fall within any one week. If the extremists of such states get their hands on the firing buttons and/or manage to extract the nuke material for a 'dirty bomb' then the real crises begins.

Holsten

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

If only the American Government stopped their 100% support.

Biggins

Holsten wrote: »

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Hamas KNEW it would draw a strong reaction. They should be wiped off the earth.
They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
Now the gloves are finally off and for the next few days, there will be hell to pay.

IRISH RAIL

so right there biggins

wes I was waiting for your anti semitic bile to come and purge this page with drivel
go back to the politics forum where people dont listen to you

Nodin

Holsten wrote: »

I'd like to see Israel get wiped off the face of the planet.

If only the American Government stopped their 100% support.

Can't really solve injustice by prepetrating injustice tbh.

Seeing the yanks stop their unilateral blockade of UN sanctions would be good though, as it would provide an alternative route for the Palestinians to draw attention to their plight, and stop Israels settlement building.

dlofnep

Biggins wrote: »

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Hamas KNEW it would draw a strong reaction. They should be wiped off the earth.
They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
Now the gloves are finally off and for the next few days, there will be hell to pay.

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Watch Sky News much?

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?
.

They could try targeting the people doing the actual launching. As it is, its the equivalent of the RA firing across the border, and the Brits bombing Dublin from the air.

Biggins wrote: »

They deliberately set-up their rocket launchers right beside civilian properties.
.

I know this is a bit much to expect, but had you read the article, you'd note that they didn't actually go after a load of rocket launchers....

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

Total Palestinian deaths in the past 3 years: 1290 (222 of which were children)
Total Israeli deaths in the past 3 years: 86 (8 of which were children)

Tit for tat, here we go again...

Haven't replied to the question though!

They had 450+ missiles chucked at them in the last two weeks for crying out loud!
Would any people just do nothing and allow it to continue in all seriousness?

Would you sit on your ass and do nothing?

dlofnep

Biggins wrote: »

Tit for tat, here we go again...

It's a perfectly reasonable set of figures to bring up. I see you condemning Hamas alot, but I've yet to see you condemn the Israeli forces who have killed an immensely higher ratio of palestinians.

Biggins wrote: »

Haven't replied to the question though!

What was the question?

Biggins wrote: »

Would you sit on your ass and do nothing?

I wouldn't - But I wouldn't shoot 10 year old children dead for throwing stones either. (http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2008/07/2008729154958869134.html)

allthedoyles

Any genuine Irish Republicans will know that tit-for-tat does NOT work.........

But wait...Obama is gonna move in soon with fresh ideas and I m sure he will intervene in this Middle East crisis with good effect .......

Goodbye George Bush !..........................

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

It's a perfectly reasonable set of figures to bring up. I see you condemning Hamas alot (???), but I've yet to see you condemn the Israeli forces who have killed an immensely higher ratio of palestinians.
I condemned them once!

What was the question?
...but you replied to it!

I wouldn't - But I wouldn't shoot 10 year old children dead for throwing stones either.
...And neither would I fire missiles into innocent town and villages killing children either!

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

Nodin

Biggins wrote: »

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

Don't suppose you're going to do the decent thing and withdraw that bit about the rocket launchers....?

Biggins

Nodin wrote: »

Don't suppose you're going to do the decent thing and withdraw that bit about the rocket launchers....?

Why so?
When they go and fire their missiles from the roof tops of their Hamas police stations, properties, etc, do they expect not to get hit back!

This is the same organisation that produced a cheap mickey mouse character for childrens tv last year that showed him with a suicide bomb strapped to him and told them it was a good thing for them to do!
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1183053066461&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

When your dealing with that type of pure sick mentality you can't reply to them on a normal rational level that would normally have a possible positive reaction.

dlofnep

Biggins wrote: »

Do us all a favour, stop trying to troll.

I'm not trying to troll? I'm providing a reasonable debate to you.

Biggins wrote: »

I condemned them once!

Where did you condemn the Israeli forces? Did I miss a post of yours in this thread somewhere?

Biggins wrote:

Haven't replied to the question though!

Biggins wrote:

...but you replied to it!

Make your mind up. First you say I haven't replied to the question, then I ask what question and then you state that I've replied to it. I think you're the one who's trolling.

Biggins wrote:

...And neither would I fire missiles into innocent town and villages killing children either!

What did you say about "tit for tat"? :rolleyes:

And for the record, I condemn attacks on the Israeli people also. But let's at least have a little bit of clarity - Palestinians have died 15 times to every 1 Israeli. That should at least raise an eyebrow.

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

O' look.. here I go again...

Yawn... Bye.. :rolleyes:

dlofnep

Biggins wrote: »

Yawn... Bye.. :rolleyes:

AKA, you couldn't actually refute or answer even one single point I made. No problem.

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

AKA, you couldn't actually refute or answer even one single point I made. No problem.

lol Aye right. I'd decided not to waste my breath.

Can anyone else from either side of viewed sides, discuss this matter without getting into a tit for tat useless bitchy scrum?
The rest of us would appreciate it.

dlofnep

I doubt even if you had the breath you'd be able to muster up a credible argument that validated the deaths of 1200+ Palestinians in 3 years. Don't worry about it. I'm more than happy to call a day on it.

Biggins

dlofnep wrote: »

I doubt even if you had the breath you'd be able to muster up a credible argument that validated the deaths of 1200+ Palestinians in 3 years. Don't worry about it. I'm more than happy to call a day on it.

Yep, 'nuff said.
Neither of us are on a winner.

Changing the subject - have a good new year. Lets hope its a more peaceful one all round.

IRISH RAIL

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

A Primal Nut

MagicMarker wrote: »

Even if tomorrow was new years eve, how does that make you less wrong?

There is obviously some kind of joke that unfortunately only BoneyArseBogman himself gets? Hopefully he'll explain it coz has me baffled.

Biggins

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

ha ha
I have it from good authorithy the best is yet to come for the scumlord child killing terrorist scum who call themselves palestinian freedom fighters

wait and see what happens next

Apparently, at the height of their abilities, they were supposedly creators of many a virus. Their thinking (and there was good reasoning behind it) was that if they created a good enough virus, they could seriously damage Israel and America's banking community.

Its a mad world we live in!

wes

IRISH RAIL wrote: »

so right there biggins

wes I was waiting for your anti semitic bile to come and purge this page with drivel
go back to the politics forum where people dont listen to you

Complete garbage. You really have a huge personal problem with me, when you completely ignore the comment made by another user talking about wiping Israel off the map. I think this shows you could care less about anti-semtism and rather have a problem with me. I can only wonder why that is.

It really sad that you can't try and at least argue with what I am saying and instead trying to make things personal. You don't like the truth, as its inconvenient to you. Sorry, but your name calling doesn't scare me, as I have the facts on my side and it sure as hell won't shut me up.

So please, show what anti-semitic comments I made? You will find there are none and all I did was point out history thats inconvenient to you. I even mentioned a source for it. You are per usual would rather ignore history and throw out childish insults, instead of trying to debate, as I tend to point all kinds of inconvenient facts that you don't like.

tallaght01

wes wrote: »

read the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine by Illan Pappe for more info on that.

Cool. Sounds like a really balanced account of what's going on.;);)

Both sides are as murderous as each other. Israel just happen to have bigger and badder weapons. Anyone who thinks either side is worse than the other is living on cloud cuckoo.

I'd be pretty left-wing meself, but I just can't get into the whole anti-Israel stuff that is so beloved of Irish socialists.

I prefer to spend my energy talking about the fact that diarrhoea kills more babies in developing countries every day than either side kills in 6 months. Or the fact that 40million people have HIV worldwide, and are dying like flies because they can't get drugs.

The left in Ireland doesn't give a flying flute about these causes, as they don't lend themselves to the David and Goliath stuff that they all want to be associated with.

Ass

With a bit of luck, Iran might lob a few nukes in to Israel to sort them all out. Israel really piss me off, with all their carry on in the west bank and the Lebanon.

Neamhshuntasach

All people ever seem to focus on when defending Israel is the actions of the Hamas and other Palestinian militants. They never ever focus on the reason why. While the question of "would you sit on your hands while 450+ rockets are fired into your country?" is asked and used as a defensive argument as to the legitimacy of Israel's over aggression, you never hear the question of, "would you sit on your hands while your wife was denied access to the hospital at an Israeli checkpoint and as a result you lost your child, or if you had your house bulldozed for Israeli settlers while being told you needed a signature from a certain Israeli department to spare your house only to find out after 3 attempts at rebuilding your house and 3 more demolisions that the department is non existant, or that you heard on a loud speaker than the curfew is lifted and you allow your kids to go out and play or you decide to go to the store for what little food makes it into your village, only to be sniped in the head by an Israeli enforcing the "curfew".

Until you have been there and lived amongst them or at least are prepared to find out the reason why suicide bombings take place, why they fire inferior rockets into pretty much barren land in Israel. You will never be able to fully understand the situation and will continue to blindly support Israel because you only see the side the western media portrays.

wes

tallaght01 wrote: »

Cool. Sounds like a really balanced account of what's going on.;);)

The history presented in the book is largely accurate, but if you don't like it, try 1948 By Benny Morris (who is a right wing Zionist), that should provide your desired balance. Of course the fact that there are millions of Palestinians refugees kind of proves my point.

As for both side being equally murderous, I can't say I disagree, but that doesn't change the facts of history, which a lot of people like to ignore.