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BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

Run_to_da_hills

I have decided that it is about time that CT had a "BIG BROTHER ALERT" !!! thread. Maybe with the possibility of becoming a sticky. There is a need to keep everyone up to date and informed on Big Brother and his cunning tricks from around the globe as we draw closer to 1984.

The rule of this thread should be that no alert should be posted without the relevant press back up link. "Big Brother" himself is welcome to voice his opinion on the topics.:D

To all you smart ar*ses out there, this thread has absolutly nothing got to do with the TV series.

Heres the first...............

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

Irish times 7 November 2008..................

Garda chief asks Vodafone to retain live web-browsing data and for real-time web-browsing information.

Such information would include the content or the web address (URL) of every web page browsed by users of mobile handsets, palmtop devices or 3G modems.

"This itself goes beyond the European Union's data retention directive, which the Government intends to implement as a statutory instrument".The Irish Times

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1107/1225925540654.html

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Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Banksy has a nice piece of relevant artwork just off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg

Yeah dude they're' usually not removing them, but chipping them off and selling them.

Gosh he's quiet the wadical.

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

FFS Big BROTHER tried to cover up the De Mendez incident by stating that the CCTV cams were all out of action in Stockwell that morning. :rolleyes:

And the way the witnesses contradicted the police story, like total cover up.

I'm on stockwell station every morning. Theres no CCTV on the carriage.

Banksy has a nice piece of artwork off Oxford Circus get there before the council removes it.:) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg

Whats the pathetic about that piece is that it's in a CCTV blackspot, there's no cameras covering that piece of landscape. It's fantastically hyprocritical.

But hey go on an explain how the lisbon treaty will overide the Dail.

Or how will there be compulsory ID checks which will contain all personal information.

Who is checking all our e-mails/texts/phone calls and how?

Or why should all our driving licences not have our photos, or can you prove we need chipped IDs before crossing the border to NI?

The agenda of this thread is to expose a the BIG BROTHER society that is subtly imposing in on our civil liberties in our day to day movements.

The agenda of this thread is to expose your baseless paranoia.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

FFS Big BROTHER tried to cover up the De Mendez incident by stating that the CCTV cams were all out of action in Stockwell that morning. :rolleyes:

Banksy has a nice piece of artwork off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg[/url]

They don't cover up Banksy's work anymore.

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

I live in London. As mentioned the two major terrorist attacks post the 7/7 bombings were thwarted not by BIG BROTHER, but by the terrorist incompetence. Meanwhile we have the Forest Gate Raid, and the De Mendez murder in the press that undermines the competence of the "NWO" who you see as an all seeing all powerful organisation.

FFS Big BROTHER tried to cover up the De Mendez incident by stating that the CCTV cams were all out of action in Stockwell that morning. :rolleyes:

Banksy has a nice piece of relevant artwork just off Oxford Circus get there before it gets removed by the London Council as an embarrassment. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bansky_one_nation_under_cctv.jpg

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did I ever say that BIG BROTHER was 100% up and running in Ireland?. :rolleyes:

Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.

I live in London. As mentioned the two major terrorist attacks post the 7/7 bombings were thwarted not by BIG BROTHER, but by the terrorist incompetence. Meanwhile we have the Forest Gate Raid, and the De Mendez murder in the press that undermines the competence of the "NWO" who you see as an all seeing all powerful organisation.

thecommander

meglome wrote: »

What exactly is your agenda?

Trolling I'd say, just looking for a rise. He cant be for real.

Run_to_da_hills

meglome wrote: »

What exactly is your agenda? I mean you appear to want this big brother scenario and yet keep posting half truths to supposedly draw attention to it.

The agenda of this thread is to expose a the BIG BROTHER society that is subtly imposing in on our civil liberties in our day to day movements.

Read the article in the independent, Some people just seem to be too ":rolleyes:" to even notice it.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/this-britain/britain-becoming-a-big-brother-society-says-data-watchdog-446700.html

meglome

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did I ever say that BIG BROTHER was 100% up and running in Ireland?. :rolleyes:

Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.

What exactly is your agenda? I mean you appear to want this big brother scenario and yet keep posting half truths to supposedly draw attention to it.

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

With respect...its no more your business who paid the bill then it is the government's. As I've already stated, it was paid in cash by someone other than me. That's as much information as they get. Thats as much information as you get.

If you have some sort of problem with not knowing who paid a cost I incurred....what makes you any different to those you're complaining about who apparently want to know?

And seriously...what's with the eye-rolling? A couple of hours ago, you apparently believed that it was impossible to cross the Westlink without Big Brother knowing. I've shown you and everyone reading this exactly how the system can be beaten...where the limits of this system lie. For some reasoin this seems to be pissing you off.

Are you annoyed that Big Brother isn't as all-powerful as you thought?
Are you annoyed at me for not misleading people into believing in some fictional scare-mongering, prefering instead to deal with facts?
What, exactly, is the problem?

Did I ever say that BIG BROTHER was 100% up and running in Ireland?. :rolleyes:

Commute or around London for a while and you will see more him.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I hope you had the decency to pay the registered owner the bill. :rolleyes:

With respect...its no more your business who paid the bill then it is the government's. As I've already stated, it was paid in cash by someone other than me. That's as much information as they get. Thats as much information as you get.

If you have some sort of problem with not knowing who paid a cost I incurred....what makes you any different to those you're complaining about who apparently want to know?

And seriously...what's with the eye-rolling? A couple of hours ago, you apparently believed that it was impossible to cross the Westlink without Big Brother knowing. I've shown you and everyone reading this exactly how the system can be beaten...where the limits of this system lie. For some reasoin this seems to be pissing you off.

Are you annoyed that Big Brother isn't as all-powerful as you thought?
Are you annoyed at me for not misleading people into believing in some fictional scare-mongering, prefering instead to deal with facts?
What, exactly, is the problem?

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

July 20th, 2008 - unless I've missed one since then.

Doesn't seem all that long ago.

Wait...it isn't all that long ago.

Easy google search.:rolleyes: Al-Qaeda have taken much of the "glory" away from the Basques or any other european based dissadents in recent years. The Madrid bomb and Hypercore on Meridiana had a big impact on the basques. After the Hypercore incident they haven't had an attack in Catalunia in decades.

bonkey wrote: »

Let me re-iterate the bit you obviously missed. I was driving a car that I was insured to drive, but which wasn't registered to me.

So no, the registration plate is not "as good", nor is a false plate the only way around it.

But hey, if its any consolation, the eye-rolling smiley almost convinced me I was making things up.

I hope you had the decency to pay the registered owner the bill. :rolleyes:

bonkey

bonkey wrote: »

July 20th, 2008 - unless I've missed one since then.

My spologies....I was way out there.

Since the July 2008 attack, there have been attacks on the following dates:

July 28
July 29
August 17
September 21
September 22
October 4
October 25
October 30

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You will find it on line in the front page of the times, alternatively if you buy a copy.

I live abroad and pay a subscription. I don't see why I should need to buy a paper to see your point. Link please.

Absolutely by the way we treated in a BIG BROTHER society. In the 90ies I knew a guy doing time, all his letters were censored and checked. Now in 2008 Our personal emails, text messages and mobile phones monitored under current and new legislation are liable to be searched and stored just like any prisoner doing time.

And who's doing this checking? If there was one agency checking all text messages e-mails and phone calls. I mean it would be the largest employer in the country.

If we had out telegraph wires tapped and our letters opened even in the height of the NI troubles there would have been public outcry.

Can you provide any evidence that all our phonecalls are currently taped?

NO professional criminal is going to use equipment that he knows can be tracked or traced, they will avoid Oystercards, the EFT, Electronic Toll plazas and every other Digital means that BIG BROTHER uses to try and track them. Terrorists are well aware of BIG BROTHER and his scheems

So hang on, BIG BROTHER has all these schemes and plans but they're all useless? What about the terrorists captured in the ministry of sound attempted bombing?

Glasgow incident compared to a NI bombing or a terrorist shooting by the week and never did the authorities require us to even show our passports. (Back then we didn't even need them and our driving license did not even have a picture. :rolleyes:)

Are you seriously suggesting our driving licences shouldn't have our photos on them?

Why all the scaremongering about terrorism now? Why do we need an Orwellian chipped ID card to cross the border when there is a ceasefire?

Are you nuts? Honest question. Seriously asked. When I was a child the border crossing to NI was a long drawn out process, where my dad had to produce ID to three or four heavily armed men at a reinforced checkpoint, today when I drive across, the only reference to the change of country is a signpost.

They may be postponing the National ID for economic reasons like Ireland but aren't they bringing in electronic thumb scanners, these are just as good if not better, everyone (Almost) has fingers on them 24/7.

And if you don't have a criminal record?

I will look into the details and get back to you on that.
I think Sinn Fein were also concerned on this issue.

I wait with baited breath.

Read the front page of the Irish Times. If they want data on everyone in this country including those that travel to the US and those that dint they have to have a server to store this information. Likewise the EU. It would just be as easy if they pooled their resources.

The Irish times article you can't link to?

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

When was the last Basque bomb?

July 20th, 2008 - unless I've missed one since then.

Doesn't seem all that long ago.

Wait...it isn't all that long ago.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Your registration plate is as good as unless you have used a false plate. :rolleyes:

Let me re-iterate the bit you obviously missed. I was driving a car that I was insured to drive, but which wasn't registered to me.

So no, the registration plate is not "as good", nor is a false plate the only way around it.

But hey, if its any consolation, the eye-rolling smiley almost convinced me I was making things up.

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

No it's not, and I'm a subscriber. .

You will find it on line in the front page of the times, alternatively if you buy a copy.

Diogenes wrote: »

Any evidence that governments in the UK and Ireland consider ordinary citizens terrorists? .

Absolutely by the way we treated in a BIG BROTHER society. In the 90ies I knew a guy doing time, all his letters were censored and checked. Now in 2008 Our personal emails, text messages and mobile phones monitored under current and new legislation are liable to be searched and stored just like any prisoner doing time.

If we had our telegraph wires tapped and our letters opened even in the height of the NI troubles there would have been public outcry.

NO professional criminal is going to use equipment that he knows can be tracked or traced, they will avoid registered phones, , CCTV (without head coverage),Oystercards, the EFT, any electronic toll plaza and every other Digital means that BIG BROTHER would use to try to apprehend them. Terrorists are well aware of BIG BROTHER and his schemes

Diogenes wrote: »

Careful now RtdH you almost sound nostalgic.
Er the Glasgow airport bombers are currently on trial.
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Glasgow incident compared to a NI bombing or a terrorist shooting by the week and never did the authorities require us to even show our passports. (Back then we didn't even need them and our driving license did not even have a picture. :rolleyes:) Why all the scaremongering about terrorism now? Why do we need an Orwellian chipped ID card to cross the border when there is a ceasefire?

Diogenes wrote: »

OK seriously, for what reason, what are they looking for?
This despite the fact in the current economic climate the British are going to most likely drop the ID card scheme?.

They may be postponing the National ID for economic reasons like Ireland but aren't they bringing in electronic thumb scanners, these are just as good if not better, everyone (Almost) has fingers on them 24/7.

Diogenes wrote: »

So lets be clear you've not read the treaty in full, but you've been shown bits of it, that you can't point me to that mean our constitution will be overridden.?.

I will look into the details and get back to you on that.
I think Sinn Fein were also concerned on this issue.

Diogenes wrote: »

A database that you can't prove exist and can't explain what they'll do once they're in charge.

If they want data on everyone in this country including those that travel to the US and those that dint they have to have a server to store this information. Likewise the EU. It would just be as easy if they pooled their resources. This server is their database.

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

I spent much of my childhood in South Armagh and Co Down and know all about armed checkpoints.

And yet, you have the gall to suggest that it is only a modern phenomena where innocent people are being "treated like criminals" and that 20 years ago we had none of that sort of thing.

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

sorted

No it's not, and I'm a subscriber.

Its not just London, its also throughout the world and eventually Dublin. The police are allowed LIVE access to the footage to track "terrorists" Cough....You and Me.

Any evidence that governments in the uk and ireland consider ordinary citizens terrorists?

CCTC and modern digital surveillance is paying off and it is working well, Terrorists are giving up their weapons and laying down their causes.

When was the last Basque bomb? Dissident IRA? Baader-Meinhof Gang? attack???

Careful now RtdH you almost sound nostalgic.

Yet more and more new surveillance devices and infringements on our civil liberties are being imposed on us day by day by the up and coming NWO despite the dramatic fall in localized terrorist attacks.

Er the Glasgow airport bombers are currently on trial.

As soon as peace is gained on our planet with all this wonderful technology THE CAMERAS AND TECHNOLOGY WILL BE TURNED ON US !!!

Okay seriously, for what reason, what are they looking for?

Loyalty cards are just a sweetener and an introduction to whats in store.

In the near future you will be issued with a personal smart card / State ID that will be used for all your buying and selling. It will be used in conjunction with EAN/UPC/RFID so that BIG BROTHER knows exactly what you are buying. Every book, the amount of alcohol, where you bought it, your smokes, where you bought them, everything is itemized to source and cost.
Unfortunately it is the scumbags of today that are creating a public outcry for new surveillance to catch these idiots. It will be the same surveillance equipment IE CCTV/ANPR/3D Facial recognition that will be used on us in the NWO.

This despite the fact in the current economic climate the British are going to most likely drop the ID card scheme?

I am like most of the members of Parliament in Ireland, IE I have not read the treaty in full, for the simple reason that it is a long winded document specifically put together to confuse people.

However several parts have pointed out to me including the sections that are known to overide the Irish constitution. This is an eye opener in itself and leaves the door wide open. Maybe someone with insight into the Lisbon treaty can explain.

So lets be clear you've not read the treaty in full, but you've been shown bits of it, that you can't point me to that mean our constitution will be overridden.

.What frightens me is that we are getting little sneak reviews of NWO activity each day as we draw closer. currently a database of every man woman and child on this planet is being built up.

A database that you can't prove exist and can't explain what they'll do once they're in charge.

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

Now...hold on a sec...thats not what you claimed. You claimed that I'd have to show ID and/or sign my name and address.

I have crossed the Westlink since August 30th..

Your registration plate is as good as unless you have used a false plate. :rolleyes:

bonkey

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Since 30th August your registration details are logged and timed to the second each time you cross the westlink

Now...hold on a sec...thats not what you claimed. You claimed that I'd have to show ID and/or sign my name and address.

I have crossed the Westlink since August 30th. I did neither of these things. My passage was paid for, in cash, in a newsagents, by someone other than me. Not only that, but I was driving in a car which I was insured in, but which was not registered in my name.

In short, there is no record of me crossing the Westlink, nor am I being treated as a criminal in any way like you were suggesting.

Not only that, but - as I have pointed out before - no-one forces me to use the Westlink. If I don't want to cross it, there is nowhere I can't get to by going around it.

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

Link not found. .

sorted

Diogenes wrote: »

Something similar exists in London it's called the congestion charge.

Its not just London, its also throughout the world and eventually Dublin. The police are allowed LIVE access to the footage to track "terrorists" Cough....You and Me.

Diogenes wrote: »

Furthermore London has the highest per captia of CCTV, this license plate recognition, oyster cards. There has been one successful terrorist attack in the past three years, and two more unsuccessful terrorist attacks, these failures would have been successful were it not for the incompetence of the bombers. I'm just saying all this supposed brilliant hi tech police surveillance stuff isn't doing a very good job.

CCTC and modern digital surveillance is paying off and it is working well, Terrorists are giving up their weapons and laying down their causes.

When was the last Basque bomb? Dissident IRA? Baader-Meinhof Gang? attack??? Yet more and more new surveillance devices and infringements on our civil liberties are being imposed on us day by day by the up and coming NWO despite the dramatic fall in localized terrorist attacks. As soon as peace is gained on our planet with all this wonderful technology THE CAMERAS AND TECHNOLOGY WILL BE TURNED ON US !!!

Diogenes wrote: »

So this is just paranoia in your part? Again simple thing if you don't want this information retained don't carry a loyalty card.
.

Loyalty cards are just a sweetener and an introduction to whats in store.

In the near future you will be issued with a personal smart card / State ID that will be used for all your buying and selling. It will be used in conjunction with EAN/UPC/RFID so that BIG BROTHER knows exactly what you are buying. Every book, the amount of alcohol, where you bought it, your smokes, where you bought them, everything is itemized to source and cost.

Diogenes wrote: »

Police demand information to help catch criminal shocker.

Unfortunately it is the scumbags of today that are creating a public outcry for new surveillance to catch these idiots. It will be the same surveillance equipment IE CCTV/ANPR/3D Facial recognition that will be used on us in the NWO.

Diogenes wrote: »

And can you point me to the specific part of the Lisbon treaty that will let this happen?

I am like most of the members of Parliament in Ireland, IE I have not read the treaty in full, for the simple reason that it is a long winded document specifically put together to confuse people.

However several parts have pointed out to me including the sections that are known to overide the Irish constitution. This is an eye opener in itself and leaves the door wide open. Maybe someone with insight into the Lisbon treaty can explain.
.

Diogenes wrote: »

I don't suppose you could do something more than demand I do your research for me, could you perhaps provide a link seeing as you are more familiar with the subject matter.

What frightens me is that we are getting little sneak reviews of NWO activity each day as we draw closer. currently a database of every man woman and child on this planet is being built up.

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

The Irish Times 18th November 2008.

Personal details must be handed over by Government to keep up US Visa waiver scheme.

The GOVERNMENT will have to agree to a sweeping new agreement on sharing criminal data with the NWO if Ireland is to remain part of the visa waiver programme, US homeland security secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

The deal would mean exchanging data, including DNA and fingerprint records, and in some cases details of individuals' political and religious beliefs and sexual orientation - even on people not planning to travel to the US.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...05.html?via=mr

Link not found.

Since 30th August your registration details are logged and timed to the second each time you cross the westlink (In Theory ). There is no anonymous cash option if you are trying to imply.

Something similar exists in london it's called the congestion charge.

If the troubles ever started up again life would not at all be as easy for any dissidents particularly living in London with all the ANPR CCTV and other high tech digital police surveillance equipment that was unheard of 20 years ago. Plenty of doors would be "kicked in".

So I'm supposed to feel sorry for imaginary terrorists?

Furthermore London has the highest per captia of CCTV, this licence plate recognition, oyster cards. There has been one successful terrorist attack in the past three years, and two more unsuccessful terrorist attacks, these failures would have been successful were it not for the incompetence of the bombers.

I'm just saying all this supposed brilliant hi tech police surveillance stuff isn't doing a very good job.

I doubt if the authorities have live access to loyalty card records at present but the way things are going it would not surprise me in the least if they have applied for it. (UK) Give it time and they will have it in this so called "war on terror"

So this is just paranoia in your part? Again simple thing if you don't want this information retained don't carry a loyalty card.

The authorities could presently request data records from any supermarket chain if they though it deemed necessary in solving an investigation.

Police demand information to help catch criminal shocker.

Several reasons, perhaps the most frighting one is that Irish law and order will be superseded by Global NWO legislation which inevitably be handed over to foreign authorities.

And can you point me to the specific part of the Lisbon treaty that will let this happen?

Mahatma Coat wrote:

I would advise ye to have a look at how Australia has implemented the technologies being discussed here for a glimpse of what ye should expect over the next few years back home

I don't suppose you could do something more than demand I do your research for me, could you perhaps provide a link seeing as you are more familiar with the subject matter.

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Changed, its in the link :rolleyes:

Link doesn't work tho...

Run_to_da_hills

thecommander wrote: »

Its not even the 19th yet, really are clutching at straws with fake news.

Changed, its in the link :rolleyes:

thecommander

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

The Irish Times 19th November 2008

Its not even the 19th yet, really are clutching at straws with fake news.

Run_to_da_hills

BIG BROTHER ALERT !!!

The Irish Times 18th November 2008.

Personal details must be handed over by Government to keep up US Visa waiver scheme.

The GOVERNMENT will have to agree to a sweeping new agreement on sharing criminal data with the NWO if Ireland is to remain part of the visa waiver programme, US homeland security secretary Michael Chertoff said yesterday.

The deal would mean exchanging data, including DNA and fingerprint records, and in some cases details of individuals' political and religious beliefs and sexual orientation - even on people not planning to travel to the US.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/frontpage/2008/1118/1226961467105.html?via=mr

This goes without saying that the United States and European Union are both bedfellows on setting up the New World Order.

The same gun was put to the Governments head by the EU authorities just yesterday concerning personal data handed out with all European Flight check in's and on top of all this the Gardai are getting thumb scanners. I smell a rat !!!.

http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/big-brother-plan-will-push-up-flight-costs-1542263.html

Run_to_da_hills

Diogenes wrote: »

You mean there isn't a pay as go choice on the westlink?

Since 30th August your registration details are logged and timed to the second each time you cross the westlink (In Theory :rolleyes:). There is no anonymous cash option if you are trying to imply.

Diogenes wrote: »

Um you do understand that since the end of the troubles security in the north has been significantly downgraded. There may not be check points but at the same time the BA and PSNI aren't kicking down doors with the same level of intensity.

There is a reason for this is the ceasefire. :rolleyes:

If the troubles ever started up again life would not at all be as easy for any dissidents particularly living in London with all the ANPR CCTV and other high tech digital police surveillance equipment that was unheard of 20 years ago. Plenty of doors would be "kicked in".

Diogenes wrote: »

You have grasped that club/nectar cards are freely available optional extras. I dislike being profiled while my wife likes the points, I mean suggesting that ALL your shopping recording will show up on your profile when we pay cash and any clubcards type scheme is opt in is just daft?

What are you suggesting that nectard cards will be tied into ID cards?

Not now but under the retention of data act supermarkets are obliged to hold this information for several years.

I doubt if the authorities have live access to loyalty card records at present but the way things are going it would not surprise me in the least if they have applied for it. (UK) Give it time and they will have it in this so called "war on terror"

The authorities could presently request data records from any supermarket chain if they though it deemed necessary in solving an investigation.

Diogenes wrote: »

Explain why Lisbon is wrong?

Several reasons, perhaps the most frighting one is that Irish law and order will be superseded by Global NWO legislation which inevitably be handed over to foreign authorities. :eek:

We are already getting a taste of Europes Orwellian legoislation. This was disgussed in the Oireachtas just yesterday, In the NWO there would be none of this, this law would be pushed straight through with no government say on the matter. http://www.herald.ie/national-news/city-news/big-brother-plan-will-push-up-flight-costs-1542263.html

Imagine if the Death penalty was reintroduced in Ireland in the fight against "terrorism" then we were told by the authorities that anyone who resisted the NWO was considered a terrorist.:eek:

Diogenes wrote: »

So basically you're saying that there is a giant global conspiracy who can control everything except the vote in a tiny island?

This up and coming NWO monster has the wooden spoon out and is slapping the leaders of this tiny island to do something about it irrespective of what we the people of Ireland have decided on and they won't give up until the treaty is ratified.

Mahatma coat wrote: »

I would advise ye to have a look at how Australia has implemented the technologies being discussed here for a glimpse of what ye should expect over the next few years back home

I lived in Australia for two years in the mid 90ies, there was laws that were passed back then that are only coming in to Ireland now, one is the random bottle (No harm). You have mandatory Bicycles helmets FFS. :rolleyes:

Mahatma coat

I would advise ye to have a look at how Australia has implemented the technologies being discussed here for a glimpse of what ye should expect over the next few years back home

Diogenes

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

You obviously dint take the Westlink, those that do give their names and addresses upon crossing it. As we discussed on transport, give it a few years you will not be able to board a public bus or train without a pre registered smart card. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4800490.stm

You mean there isn't a pay as go choice on the westlink?

I spent much of my childhood in South Armagh and Co Down and know all about armed checkpoints. In the NWO there will be little or no need for armed checkpoints. Doors would be kicked in with suspects arrested from personal profiles built up from data records shared by the various authorities before the culprits have a chance to load the boot.

Um you do understand that since the end of the troubles security in the north has been significantly downgraded. There may not be check points but at the same time the BA and PSNI aren't kicking down doors with the same level of intensity.

In future ALL your shopping records will show up your profile. The ISBN number on the books you ordered or purchase with your National ID card, the magazines you reed, even the internet web sites that you browse will be logged by Big Brother and could be used against you. :eek:

You have grasped that club/nectar cards are freely available optional extras. I dislike being profiled while my wife likes the points, I mean suggesting that ALL your shopping recording will show up on your profile when we pay cash and any clubcards type scheme is opt in is just daft?

What are you suggesting that nectard cards will be tied into ID cards?

[quot
Nothing fear mongering about exposing the NWO and keeping the wolf of Lisbon at bay.

[/quote]

Explain why Libson is wrong?

There is more thae]n one way to skin a cat and you can be damn sure that there will be another referendum within the end of this decade. They might even get the electronic voting machines up and running so they can programme it to win on a YES majority. :pac::pac::pac:

So bascially you're saying that there is a giant global conspiracy who can control everything except the vote in a tiny island?

Does the cognitive dissoance in your argument give you massive headaches?

Run_to_da_hills

bonkey wrote: »

No, I wasn't asleep at all. Despite your eye-rolling, you should still be able to note that the commissioner asked for the retention of this data, not for unrestricted access to it.

As with any other such data, authorization will be required to access it.
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Once this becomes law the door is left wide open for abuse, ma be not for this party but for god knows who may get in or take control at a later stage. With harmonizing of resources revenue, social welfare and every other department could hold such digital records against you as evidence in court. Such data will be shared with authorities arounnd the Globe as what is currently happening.

bonkey wrote: »

I'd complain about it today as well, if I had to show ID, and/or sign my name and address for these things. Today, just as 20 years ago, I don't have to....so I'm not quite sure what it is you're arguing.
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You obviously dint take the Westlink, those that do give their names and addresses upon crossing it. As we discussed on transport, give it a few years you will not be able to board a public bus or train without a pre registered smart card. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/london/4800490.stm

bonkey wrote: »

On the other hand, 25-30 years ago, I could get stopped on the street by armed soldiers, or have my car halted on an empty road by same. I could have assault weapons pointed in my general direction while I was quizzed on where I was going to and coming from. I could have the contents of my car inspected to verify my claim of being on my way home from shopping.

I spent much of my childhood in South Armagh and Co Down and know all about armed checkpoints. In the NWO there will be little or no need for armed checkpoints. Doors would be kicked in with suspects arrested from personal profiles built up from data records shared by the various authorities before the culprits have a chance to load the boot.

In future ALL your shopping records will show up your profile. The ISBN number on the books you ordered or purchase with your National ID card, the magazines you reed, even the internet web sites that you browse will be logged by Big Brother and could be used against you. :eek:

bonkey wrote: »

Thats before we go into the exceptional, horror stories.

Maybe your dad doesn't remember that so well...but I certainly do.

Good for you. I like the vision of an honest world, devoid of fear-mongering that you are promoting.

Nothing fear mongering about exposing the NWO and keeping the wolf of Lisbon at bay.

There is more than one way to skin a cat and you can be damn sure that there will be another referendum within the end of this decade. They might even get the electronic voting machines up and running so they can programme it to win on a YES majority. :pac::pac::pac: