mackerski wrote: » Calling these postcodes is a bit of a stretch. They appear to be a proprietary idea of one company with no official standing. You might just as well suggest that an OSI grid reference is a postcode.
towel401 wrote: » why would a country bring in another confusing number system just because a few sleazy web programmers can't deal with the fact that some people don't have post codes? that doesn't make any sense the only reason for post codes is to make sure insecure types don't get any post from people they havn't told the address to. of course a determined stalker will just put the mail bomb in the letterbox themselves but thats another story
xOxSinéadxOx wrote: » but surely if they introduced postcodes nobody would use them?
xOxSinéadxOx wrote: » yes but they couldn't bin ALL the letters!
kayos wrote: » Geocodes are up and running and used in home insurance, by some companies, for identifing houses in flood or subsidence areas. Do we need them for post? Not really but it would not hurt.
ScumLord wrote: » We don't need postcodes. Our postmen are in a class of their own when it comes to mail delivery, there's no where you can hide, they will find you.
watna wrote: » They have postcodes in NZ i.e. mine ie Wellington 6021 (I think) but loads of people don't use them and the post gets there fine. I'm not sure why they need them to be honest. The population of the greater Wellington area (i.e. all the sububs stretching out) is less than 400,000 whereas the population of the greater Dublin area is 1.8 million. It is a relief when filling out internet forms to have a post code now though after years of putting in 00000 or n/a and have the site freak out.
garydubh wrote: » Ok lets try not call them Post Codes - lets call them PON Codes (Position Orientated Navigation Codes) because the biggest demand for these codes is not for Post or Mail but for vehicles - I bet in NZ, SatNav's use the local Code but users would prefer if the resolution was better to get people to the door. Furthermore, I do not reckon that NZ has 40% non unique addresses as we do have here - eg. I have counted eight "Church Roads" in Dublin alone
blubloblu wrote: » An Post have said before that they don't need postcodes because their OCR machines are able to handle addresses properly.
garydubh wrote: » http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2008/0909/1220629653090.html PON Codes satisfy the consultants requirements - www.irishpostcodes.ie
watna wrote: » Why not call them post codes? That's what they're are called officially here and NZ post assigns them (http://www.nzpost.co.nz/Cultures/en-NZ/OnlineTools/PostCodeFinder/) - even if people only use them for sat nav. What are 40% non unique adresses? Do you mean that 40% of Irish addreses are not unique and that there is more than one of them? It's not clear from your post above.
Sam Vimes wrote: » but then again an post aren't the only people who need to find your house. i think i'm going to start putting in coordinates if it'll accept them
garydubh wrote: » Several years ago an ambulance in Wexford was 30 mins late arriving at the correct address...why?....because they went to the same house and street number address no more than 20km away. i.e. the call out address was non unique. So 40% of street and townland addresses in Ireland are repeated either in the same county or within a very short distance away!!! This is a fact well documented and stems from our historic townland based addressing system and of the 55,000 townlands in Ireland many have the same name!! Futhermore our planning laws do not prevent duplicate street names in close proximity to each other. How many Rathmores are there in Ireland - how many Hillcrests are there???
watna wrote: » My point about them having postcodes in NZ is that Wellington is tiny in comparison to Dublin yet has postcodes and Dublin doesn't. It definitely seems strange to me.
garydubh wrote: » It's a fact of life now - same as having to remember your Mobile Number as well as a land line number and several PIN and PUC numbers - users names, passwords and Post Codes are a fact of modern life. Post Codes in Ireland were supposed to be in place by Jan 2008. That did not happen so as a result of that the PON Code system which had been developed privately since 2006 was made publicly available an it is now getting wide use (see here: http://www.travelshopireland.com/featured-accommodation/hotels/carrigaline-court-hotel-and-leisure-centre.html ) and can be used on Garmin Nuvi 700 series SatNav's. PON Codes are a candidate system for any National System whenever it is put in place but in the meantime they can be used by anyone without pain of death or excommunication!!!!
rhapsody! wrote: » As far as I know we don't have postcodes at the min. But I think the gov. are going to introduce it some time soon. That's what I heard anyway!
towel401 wrote: » so it's just post codes for the sake of post codes? if these sat nav manufacturers want to use codes beside regular coordinates i don't mind but they shouldn't force this on the postal system. this is the modern world, progress, urbanisation, and everyone else has a post code so we must get one too. although we don't need one. lets just get another annoying number for the sake of it. i can remember addresses easily but i usually have to look up the post codes which is a pain. and stop going on about sat navs or "SatNavs". there are plenty of ways those things can find a house without imposing a national postcode system. do any of the things still accept coordinates anyway? i just use an ordinary handheld GPS. don't like these touch-screen based toys that baby you through your journey.
m@cc@ wrote: » Yous don't? Feck me, how do yous dress yourselves in the morning?
towel401 wrote: » if the problem is not having house numbers can't we just use those instead of long and annoying codes? otherwise just use my pipeline system proposal.
garydubh wrote: » Do you have any knowledge of the logistics industry - route planning/route optimisation/fuel and fuel economies - worth investigating even you are coming up with proposals. What pipeline proposal ???
towel401 wrote: » yea its a thread in this forum. i'd link to it but this computer is slow and i'm lazy
towel401 wrote: » Just reading the post code threads but I think that is such a half-measure, they won't do anything for us. What we really need is a pipeline system Dig out a network of piplelines through the whole country (juicy places like Dublin first) about 1M diameter that goes under every house in the country to deliver all your post, online shoppings and the like in a capsule that is either pushed forward by compressors or has its own electric motors. All new apartments would be fitted with a collection room that only one person can enter at a time for privacy reasons. In the start they can do some deal with property developers giving new apartments exclusive access for a year or so. Ordinary houses could have a port in the floor that you open up to take the stuff out of the capsule and then it moves on again. but really we need not worry about ordinary houses as they will be deemed obsolete in 2012 and don't have any part in the modern overpopulated world. Addresses will be in the form of randomly generated IPv6 addresses with an additional 128-bit checksum plus two passwords. A person would have to click accept on a web-form or authorise someone to send them mail before it would get sent. People sharing a collection room will have to use an ID card + 2 biometric checks + a 12 digit pin to enter the collection room. the hallways and elevator leading to it can only be used by one person at a time so nobody knows who has been there. It would be great because you would never have to leave the house to get stuff again. The roads would be nearly empty so people like me can drive on them for the craic You will never have to deal with people when buying stuff that fits in the capsule. The greenies would be happy with all the post & courier vans off the road. the capsules could be powered by 'green energy' although energy itself doesn't really have a colour. Stuff from ebay and online eTailers could arrive in a matter of minutes. You could live your whole life without having to leave your apartment if you work from home. its what everybody wants. Sure the tunnels would cost a few billion to dig but it will pay off within a few months of the system going into service.
Dudess wrote: » I can't understand the need for post codes outside of Dublin as there just isn't the population for it, but the lack of house numbers and road names in the countryside is ridiculous. Stuff like John Murphy, Townland, Co Cork - must be a nightmare for a new postman/woman.
towel401 wrote: » There are so many rules, regulations and systems that have been brought in to this country in the name of safety and preventing hypothetical disaster scenarios in the last few years we don't need another one to add to the list. The chances of an ambulance or something not being able to find you in an emergency are slim to none. this kind of stuff happens very rarely. if i die in the few extra nanoseconds it took them to find my house because i had no postcode. well tough ****. mobile phones these days have GPS or a-gps or some decent form of triangulation. land lines can be mapped to coordinates in a system that doesn't involve post codes.
if the problem is not having house numbers can't we just use those instead of long and annoying codes? otherwise just use my pipeline system proposal.
brim4brim wrote: » I'll refer you to my post about people preferring others die than they having to remember a few digits when posting letters or using SatNavs opinions as being irrelevant. If we can introduce this system, it adds fook all hassle and saves lives and makes everyone getting anywhere easier, why not introduce it? Especially when almost every other country already has one. Your mobile phone idea breaches privacy laws AFAIK. Would you like to remove them for your system? I prefer the post code system where people can retain their privacy and not have a system that can be used to pinpoint peoples exact location without their permission. At least with the postcode system you have to tell someone your postcode for them to know your location. The point isn't just house numbers but a system that does not require manual maintenance that automatically covers new housing estates and business parks or rural areas with points of interests like forest car parks etc... Instead of entering the full address, simply enter the code and get brought to the location on a Satnav device. Works for tourists, citizens, postal service, emergency services and any other service that requires delivery. I can't honestly see what you wouldn't want this system in place
towel401 wrote: » ireland is almost the only country left that hasn't bought into this nonsense, thats something to be proud of really
towel401 wrote: » Emergency services can already track phones quite easily, there are no privacy laws involved once you call those guys they start trying to find where you are and it doesn't take long. you can revamp the national grid system to make it more user friendly for finding points of interest or just use something like UTM which is the same everywhere if coordinates are too finnicky for you. but don't make it a part of everyone's postal address.
garydubh wrote: » Difficult to catch whether to take you seriously or not after the Pipeline diversion!!! Tracking Phones - Cell ID is the technology - 50 meters approx in urban areas - hundreds of meters in rural areas - not really a success!! When ordering on line you would have to run home and call them on your mobile and have the goods delivered to your neignbours if you are in an urban area and to the sheep if beyond.
As for changing to UTM - we already have changed to ITM and it works very well!!! There are two UTM zones in Ireland - not very practical!
As for addresses having done us for 100 years - we did not have the convenience of Pizza delivery 100 years ago and the desire to deliver when it is still hot!!! Furthermore the convenience of mobile doctor services is also now with us and to quote them - "no problem asking someone directions during the day in country areas - this is not practical at 3 in the morning and neither is knocking on peoples doors to try and find the right place" People are very concerned about security these days and knocking on doors for directions in the early hours of the morning could result in being faced with the barrell of a shotgun... There are no justifieable reasons not to have a Post Code system in Ireland - there are many practical benefits. Normal addressing would still be used as is the case in all other places with Post Codes including Northern Ireland - so no fear we will lose our current addressing system and our historic place names
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