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Would you talk?....

tallaght01

I'm just sitting here in front of CNN, watching coverage of the US republican convention.

There's a bloke talking about John McCain, and his time as a prisoner of war in Nam.

The Charlie basically captured him after his plane was shot down. He had 2 broken arms and a broken leg when he hit the ground. He got the gee kicked off him for several days and was interrogated and tortured while he slipped in and out of consciousness.

He dropped to 100lbs in weight, and had his arm reset in the wrong place without anaesthetic!

For ages he couldn't even feed himself and was pretty immobile, so just had to lie in his own waste all day.

The batings he got where unbelievable to hear about...especially when he was in solitary confinement for 2 years, and had dysentry!!!!

Then he was offered early release, but he declined, unless the other guys who were put in there before him where released too. The Vietnamese told him to fook off. So, he took another 3 years in the camp, rather than get out early (He was offered early release coz his old man was an important admiral).

After his refusal, the beatings became unbearable, some days they happened every 2 hours!!!

So, when they finally "broke" him and made him give them the names of some group of US soldiers that they wanted....he wrote a whole load of names down for them. The Vietnamese were delighted.....but he'd just written down the names of the green bay packers offensive line!!!

What a legend. It almost made me want to vote Republican. 5 and a half years in a torture camp, and he still didn't break. That's Jack Bauer stuff.

So, what if you were a POW?

Would you talk? Could you hold out for over 5 years?

I know I'd defo hold out. For at least 12 minutes. But I'm tough as fook.

What about the rest of you? Do you think you could ever do anything like that? Or would the sight of an angry chink hanging his cigarette over your balls make you spill your guts about your parents whereabouts there and then?

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ewj1978

I'd break as soon as they start pushing matches under my fingernails... ouchies! then again I'd break if they called me bad names.

ejmaztec

Poccington wrote: »

Fellow POWs that were in the Hanoi Hilton have already backed up his story, including POWs that were there for an even longer period of time than McCain.

Some people are just made of stern stuff and can handle all that's thrown at them. Plus, since they were at war with the people torturing them.... It may have just been a pride thing.

Then again, I was never in such a situation so who knows?

Some people might be able to switch themselves off in such situations, mind over matter. If people under hypnosis can be operated on, and not feel anything, then it must be possible.

Dudess

tallaght01 wrote: »

What amazes me is how there are some people that are so affronted by the idea of complimenting the guy on his cajones. Such is their fear of being labelled "Right-wing", they have to ramble on about the rights and wrongs of the vietnam war, or how the guy is a republic.

So, what? He survived 5 and a half years in the Hanoi Hilton. Full respect to the guy for getting through it, regardless of his politics.

Agreed.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Interesting that he's seen and been through the horrors of war first hand and yet still supports another one.

tallaght01

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Interesting that he's seen and been through the horrors of war first hand and yet still supports another one.

Well, I don't think anyone thinks war is a piece of piss!!!!

What do you think of his powers of endurance though?

Dudess

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Interesting that he's seen and been through the horrors of war first hand and yet still supports another one.

That's fanatical patriotism for you. Although Ron Kovic is an example of someone who did a massive u-turn...

wudangclan

mccains a rat according to former colleagues.this and other reports available on net

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

tallaght01

wudangclan wrote: »

mccains a rat according to former colleagues.this and other reports available on net

http://www.usvetdsp.com/mccainpic.htm
http://www.counterpunch.org/cockburn04192008.html

No offence, but they're just some people on a website claiming he was a squealer. I think their bias is pretty obvious too.

The only facts they quote are the stuff that mccain admitted doing. That is, he allowed them to make some recordings of him saying prisoners weren't being ill treated etc. Everyone has seen those vidoes in every war, and everyone knows they're shoite. But they've shown no real evidence that he gave up any military info.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

tallaght01 wrote: »

Well, I don't think anyone thinks war is a piece of piss!!!!

What do you think of his powers of endurance though?

Second to none: as someone else said, it's like a real-life version ofJjack Bauer.

Dudess wrote: »

That's fanatical patriotism for you. Although Ron Kovic is an example of someone who did a massive u-turn...

I'd say Ron Kovic is not alone. Christ, you wouldn't be human if you went though a war (especially of the Vietnam type) and came out of it with no reservations about the idea.

At least he#s not another GWB with no clue as to how people suffer during war.

wudangclan

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_tedmancurin.htm

ewj1978

wudangclan wrote: »

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnmccain.com/cin_tedmancurin.htm

Are you just going to keep posting sites rather than actually having a discussion on this? :mad:
We can all trawl google and come up with obscure sites that dislike McCain for whatever reason....

Acacia

''Such is their fear of being labelled "Right-wing", they have to ramble on about the rights and wrongs of the vietnam war, or how the guy is a republican.''

Yes, I'm so afraid of random people on the internet thinking I hold a certain political view. :rolleyes:
The fact that I said I don't think McCain should be worshiped for being a Vietnam vet is nothing to do with the fact that the Vietnam War was a complete farce. Oh no. It's just I'm terrified people will call me 'right-wing'.

To be honest, I have more respect for people like Christina Noble, who works with homeless children in Vietnam. You know, people who actually trying to improve the quality of life in different countries rather than just blowing them up. But that's just me.

Sherifu

Cunny-Funt wrote: »

Bollocks, if that guy gets voted in I'll have zero faith in Americans and their country from then on.

A lot of people said that about Bush jnr. In fairness, half of them aren't stupid.

tallaght01

Acacia wrote: »

''Such is their fear of being labelled "Right-wing", they have to ramble on about the rights and wrongs of the vietnam war, or how the guy is a republican.''

Yes, I'm so afraid of random people on the internet thinking I hold a certain political view. :rolleyes:
The fact that I said I don't think McCain should be worshiped for being a Vietnam vet is nothing to do with the fact that the Vietnam War was a complete farce. Oh no. It's just I'm terrified people will call me 'right-wing'.

To be honest, I have more respect for people like Christina Noble, who works with homeless children in Vietnam. You know, people who actually trying to improve the quality of life in different countries rather than just blowing them up. But that's just me.

what's that? You're DEFINITELY NOT right wing? Oh, ok, I'll pass that around. Oh, and you care about homelessers in nam. I'll make sure everyone knows

Rossibaby

There are 1000s of veterans who live in poverty and sleep in the streets in the USA and this guy is using his role in an imperialist terrorist act as a point toelect him the president.he is a mad man and that palin one my god,she wants to teach creationism and is ultra religious,pity your daughter got up the duff at 17 love.they are like chameleons,full of rhetoric overall,working class in urban areas,in rural they had a farming background.piss off and die i inly wish mccain was put out of his misery for his sake and ours.he still supports iraq and wants to put more troops in.in one of his add campiagns he blamed obama for rising fuel prices.what the hell is he on about,how the hell did obama help the fuel prices spiral lol...vote obama FTW,best of whats on offer,i can stand him but he;s still an imperialist pro-israel prat

eVeNtInE

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Acacia

tallaght01 wrote: »

what's that? You're DEFINITELY NOT right wing? Oh, ok, I'll pass that around. Oh, and you care about homelessers in nam. I'll make sure everyone knows

:pac: Now, in fairness, it was kind of un-realistic to suggest that the only reason I (or any other posters here) wasn't praising McCain was because I didn't want to be called right-wing.

And about the ''homelessers''- where did I say I cared about them and wanted everyone to know it? I said I have more respect for people like Christina Noble, who helps homeless kids, than people like McCain. Maybe if people did care more about ''homelessers'' , instead of worshipping war-mongerers like McCain, the world would be a better place.

GirlInterrupted

To answer the OP's orignal question, I'm sure I'd hold out for at least one or two minutes, then I'd sing like a canary...

sam34

i reckon i'd be singing after ten seconds, maybe 11....

thelordofcheese

uptherebels wrote: »

to bad the vc didnt realise that physical torture isnt a good way to extract reliable information.

Over thirty years later and the yanks havn't realised it either.

mehfesto2

I reckon I'd hold firm until they went near me eyes or me mickey.

giggsy664

Pherekydes wrote: »

The swine! Why'd he sell out the Packers? The traitor.

All American Irish are voting for O'Bama.

Yeah, but didn't mc Cain emigrate from ireland during the famine? He must have been at least 35 then.

Aodan83

Everyone would like to think they wouldn't talk, but we all would. It'd only be a matter of minutes in most cases. I reckon i could take the first few electric shocks before i sold you all out for my own freedom. Nothin' personal, just business.:o

ejmaztec

mehfesto2 wrote: »

I reckon I'd hold firm until they went near me eyes or me mickey.

I think that the latter is usually the first port of call for a few volts, so keep it wrapped in insulating tape at all times.