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Big Brother Style RFID electronic border controll being introduced between UK & Eire

Run_to_da_hills

This was blatantly denied by there home office last year that such would happen, Now we are being told that they will be introducing a draconian electronic border control I.E the eventual use of RFID passports and smart cards to enter the UK or Ireland. (All passports have RFID since October of 2006 and any new proposed ID card will incorporate it)

They say that these measures are to curb people trafficking,drug smuggling , illegal migration and terrorism. This is about to turn Ireland and UK into the same type big brother state as the USA with their proposed REAL ID card, Any person serious on trying to avoid the authorities will not take a Ryanair flight ot the Sealink in the first place :rolleyes:

Every thing about you will be disclosed before you enter or leave Ireland, from revenue, traffic offences, any recorded violation, anyone who has had a hint of trouble in the past will be hauled in for hours and grilled by the authorities, Welcome to the new police state,

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7523435.stm

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robinph

noblestee wrote: »

so, run_to_da_hills, come one, what have you got to hide?

None of your business.

If there is a legitimate reason for certain information to be provided to different authorities when you do certain transactions then fair enough, I'm happy for them to have access to it. The whole RFID thing does not give you any control over that though.

Flamed Diving

I, for one, welcome our lizard overlords.

OPENROAD

Mr.S wrote: »

'bout time.

Though i will miss the Garda Immigration at Dublin Airport, i swear, they just wave people through in the EU section, dont even look at the passport!

As a regular at Dublin airport, they do carry out a check, most of the time they will just glance at the passport but sometimes they will take the passport and have a look if more than one flight has come in at the same time it can take ages to get through.

kowloon

chuci wrote: »

if you got nothing to hide i dont really see the problem like.

You would be amazed what can be justified with that reasoning.

kowloon

shayser wrote: »

Livestock RFID is pretty advanced

They already see us as livestock.

I can't wait for the day that the time I signed up to the SWP to impress a girl comes back to haunt me.

Flamed Diving

kowloon wrote: »

They already see us as livestock.

I can't wait for the day that the time I signed up to the SWP to impress a girl comes back to haunt me.

Did she smell of mung beans?

Placid_Casual

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Did I mention that any of this was in that link? :rolleyes:

So, basically you're making this stuff up.

Needing a passport to travel from one country to another, that's hardly unusual. In fact, not needing a passport to travel is what was unusual. Just means going to the UK is like going to any other country.

kowloon

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Did she smell of mung beans?

Ming beans more like, a bad chapter in the life of kowloon.

Flamed Diving

kowloon wrote: »

Ming beans more like, a bad chapter in the life of kowloon.

Signing up to the SWP? I can only imagine how low things fell!

portomar

if we both just joined schengen, this would be a non issue...

Run_to_da_hills

Placid_Casual wrote: »

So, basically you're making this stuff up.

Needing a passport to travel from one country to another, that's hardly unusual. In fact, not needing a passport to travel is what was unusual. Just means going to the UK is like going to any other country.

The difference here is we will eventually be required to have RFID Identification to enter into the UK and visa versa. This will be fully implemented by 20th October 2016. (Unless European Union pushes through a manditory RFID smart ID card prior to 20th October 2016 which is highly likely)

The difference between European passport control that we have always been accustomed to in the past and what we are about to get is that former systems did not contain any of this digital tracking technology

googolplex

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

There are plenty of people out there that have been in the wrong place at the wrong time. EG, you were attending at a civil rights march in the city or a football match that gets dirty and an image is taken by facial recognition CCTV, your name is now on the list. The next time you get off the boat in the at Holyhead you are pulled in by the authorities as a "terrorist suspect"

I know a guy that was caught with an ounce of blow over 20 years ago on a raid in his flat in London, to this day he still has hassle with the cops over the matter ,i.e. gets his car stripped down by UK customs every time he gets off the boat at Holyhead and this is without any "electronic surveilance".

So how will the surveillance make it worse?

kowloon

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Signing up to the SWP? I can only imagine how low things fell!

Quite low

thelordofcheese

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

The difference here is we will eventually be required to have RFID Identification to enter into the UK and visa versa. This will be fully implemented by 20th October 2016. (Unless European Union pushes through a manditory RFID smart ID card prior to 20th October 2016 which is highly likely)

The difference between European passport control that we have always been accustomed to in the past and what we are about to get is that former systems did not contain any of this digital tracking technology

Aaaaaaaand?
i'm still waiting for you to make your point.

Flamed Diving

thelordofcheese wrote: »

Aaaaaaaand?
i'm still waiting for you to make your point.

Then the lizards make their move.

In the night.

Run_to_da_hills

googolplex wrote: »

So how will the surveillance make it worse?

Have you passed federal police and immigration control at a US airport recently? They can tell what you had for breakfast. It will be the exact same here soon.

thelordofcheese

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Then the lizards make their move.

In the night.

The lizards you say?

Go on....

luckat

It's all the 1984 state so charmingly described by Orwell. We are all being taught to live in fear.

This is a) an infringment of personal liberty and privacy, b) completely unnecessary, c) ridiculously expensive, d) done without the will or desire of the voters.

I know how I'll be using my vote next time - Vote Them Out.

Edit: though actually I'm feeling less and less like staying in this country - a country that once cared about freedom and individual liberty.

Flamed Diving

thelordofcheese wrote: »

The lizards you say?

Go on....

Well, I have been doing a lot of research on youtube and it turns out that the RFID chips are going to be installed in everyone of us to control our minds, fooling us into thinking we are reverse vampires, which are controlled by the rand corporation who in turn are paid off by the freemsaons/illuminati/vatican. Once we are under the mind control of the RFID chips, the lizards will make a move to create a One World Government through which they can control the world from their base in Equitorial Guinea. And why do they plan to do this?

MONEEEEEEEEY

kowloon

luckat wrote: »

I know how I'll be using my vote next time - Vote Them Out.

And vote in who? The alternatives are no better and nobody with principle can get the foot in and make a difference.
Our politicians don't care about the populace and have nothing to fear.

thelordofcheese

Flamed Diving wrote: »

Well, I have been doing a lot of research on youtube and it turns out that the RFID chips are going to be installed in everyone of us to control our minds, fooling us into thinking we are reverse vampires, which are controlled by the rand corporation who in turn are paid off by the freemsaons/illuminati/vatican. Once we are under the mind control of the RFID chips, the lizards will make a move to create a One World Government through which they can control the world from their base in Equitorial Guinea. And why do they plan to do this?

MONEEEEEEEEY

Your words are compelling indeed, now if you'd just like to step over here into this dark alleyway and we can discuss things more.

DubTony

ART6 wrote: »

Since the defence against terrorism has already caused the declaration of war on and the invasion of two countries with countless civilian deaths maybe we should be thankful that this is all our democratic representatives are planning. Union of Socialist Soviet Republics of Europe has a certain ring to it:)

We already have it ART6. The Union of Socialist European Republics or European Union for short.

It's a bit different to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or Soviet Union for short.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

.

DubTony

luckat wrote: »

It's all the 1984 state so charmingly described by Orwell. We are all being taught to live in fear.

This is a) an infringment of personal liberty and privacy, b) completely unnecessary, c) ridiculously expensive, d) done without the will or desire of the voters.

I know how I'll be using my vote next time - Vote Them Out.

Edit: though actually I'm feeling less and less like staying in this country - a country that once cared about freedom and individual liberty.

So where are you going to go luckat? If this nonsense gets hold, it'll be in all developed countries within a decade. The yanks sneaked the Real ID thing through the senate as a "must pass" bill as part of anti-terror legislation of some sort.

luckat

Somewhere Mediterranean, maybe, more relaxed, more cynical, with a saner view of Bush and Co and their maiden-aunt hysterics.

Somewhere proud of a heritage of liberty.

kowloon

luckat wrote: »

Somewhere Mediterranean, maybe, more relaxed, more cynical, with a saner view of Bush and Co and their maiden-aunt hysterics.

Somewhere proud of a heritage of liberty.

Name a country so we can all pick holes in your idea

andrew

DubTony wrote: »

We already have it ART6. The Union of Socialist European Republics or European Union for short.

It's a bit different to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics or Soviet Union for short.

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm !

.

with a few small countries in the middle which happen to be in both at the same time!

luckat

kowloon wrote: »

Name a country so we can all pick holes in your idea .

A few years ago my answer would have been 'Ireland'.

Steyr

I welcome this, so unless you have something to fear or are a nasty person then whats the problem.

Hellm0

Steyr wrote: »

I welcome this, so unless you have something to fear or are a nasty person then whats the problem.

Well I guess I would answer that by asking you who decides who is a "nasty person". Jew's were given numbers, were they nasty people? I'm sure with RFID technology the next holocaust will go ALOT smoother eh brother?

But also to put this in a legal tone, it comes down to whether we view people as innocent until proven guilty or guilty until they get a RFID chip installed in their arm.

For instance, in most circumstances, were I walking down the street and were I stopped by a Garda who then proceeded to demand my details, personal history, work history, medical history etc I could tell them to politely f*ck off as they have no legislated reason for demanding said information.

Whereas, with this kind of technology the Guard can happily invade my privacy without even needing to speak to me. Where is the order of law in that? Guards require legislation to allow them to do certain thing's, if they are able to bypass our privacy this easily what next?

People broadcast alot of information about themselves already, in the form of volatile odors. You may not think it but alot can be told about you from the scents you emit; gender, race, general health. Even your emotions are sometime's detectable, IE "the smell of fear".

Do you want people to have the right, nay the obligation to scrutinise you that much? Does anyone?

Would you like to live in one of these?

kowloon

luckat wrote: »

A few years ago my answer would have been 'Ireland'.

Too easy, pick another!