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"The General" - Hero or Villain

KINGofHEARTS

I've just finished reading the book "The General" by Paul Williams, and I have to say alot of it was very amusing, the stuff he got up to and got away with certainly made me laugh. Considering he was not a drug dealer like the scum of modern times makes him that bit more like able. IMO

So do people think he is a legend of Irish criminal history and generally an ordinary decent criminal or just another low life who got what was coming to him.

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ejmaztec

Even the worms wouldn't eat him ...................................

Nermal

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

Considering he was not a drug dealer like the scum of modern times makes him that bit more like able.

Sinn Feinner / scrounger alarm activated. Why do your sort always prefer psychopaths to drug dealers? Does the thought of entrepeneurial activity make you come out in hives? Pleb friend overdosed? Do tell.

Flamed Diving

A murdering scumbag.

The Mighty Ken

Dirty piece of scum who ultimately got what he deserved - a bullet in the head.

phantom_lord

I think he was great tbh.

Jesus Wept

I think you're great tbh.

dr.bollocko

Great meaning large or immense?

JohnnyChimpo

we use it in the perjorative sense

phantom_lord

The-Rigger wrote: »

I think you're great tbh.

likewise. let's elope.

Kold

I thought he was good in Harry Potter.

Terry

Tha Gopher wrote: »

Ever smoked a spliff? Probably. Who the fcuk do you think brought it into the country? Howard Marks or some other jolly boys?

http://republican-news.org/archive/1998/May28/28film.html

While the source is somewhat biased it quotes Williams as stating Cahill, while not directly handling drugs, was fronting payments. Hardly for the good of his health Id imagine, I presume he wanted a return. After all this was the early 90s. Heroin (along with ecstasy) was becoming big money again.

Cahill brought hash into Ireland?
that's stretching it a bit.
He would only have been a child when that first became profitable here and would only have been small fry when heroin reared its ugly head.
Heroin was introduced in large quantities by some family whose name I can't remember right now.

Nermal wrote: »

Sinn Feinner / scrounger alarm activated. Why do your sort always prefer psychopaths to drug dealers? Does the thought of entrepeneurial activity make you come out in hives? Pleb friend overdosed? Do tell.

Cahill wasn't exactly a popular person with Sinn Fein or the IRA.
He had dealings with loyalist terrorists.

KINGofHEARTS

Just a reminder here guys...

1) I didn't say I wanted to dig him up and suck him off...

2) I just simply said his antics playing the law the way he did amused me and I found it funny how one man could get so much play over an entire police force

Nemal... you make me laugh

KINGofHEARTS

Kold wrote: »

I thought he was good in Harry Potter.

Terry wrote: »

Cahill brought hash into Ireland?
that's stretching it a bit.
He would only have been a child when that first became profitable here and would only have been small fry when heroin reared its ugly head.
Heroin was introduced in large quantities by some family whose name I can't remember right now.

I know the name ... am I allowed post it here ???

BeansMeansHynes

Complete sumbag.

BeansMeansHynes

Kingofhearts can you pm me the name of the family.

I cant remember for the life of me and its driving me crazy. I can only remember one of the brothers first names.

Cahill was behind the scenes in the drugs trade which is something a lot of people dont know. He fronted a lot of big payments for drug shipments.

Volvoboy

BeansMeansHynes wrote: »

Kingofhearts can you pm me the name of the family.

I cant remember for the life of me and its driving me crazy. I can only remember one of the brothers first names.

Cahill was behind the scenes in the drugs trade which is something a lot of people dont know. He fronted a lot of big payments for drug shipments.

How do you know?

Terry

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

Terry wrote: »

Cahill brought hash into Ireland?
that's stretching it a bit.
He would only have been a child when that first became profitable here and would only have been small fry when heroin reared its ugly head.
Heroin was introduced in large quantities by some family whose name I can't remember right now.

I know the name ... am I allowed post it here ???

Yes.
It's well documented.

PrivateEye

Out and out scum, the only tragedy is that he didn't end up in a prison rotting away.

I hate when he's presented as some kind of working class hero, he's the very opposite. If, as people now believe, the bloke was involved in selling heroin- how could he be any kind of Robin Hood type hero? Heroin wrecks communities.

pondlife at best.

Terry

Oh yeah.
Wasn't the loyalist deal something to do with drugs?

Say what you will about the IRA, but they really did limit the supply and distribution in the North for many years.

Yazacoo

KINGofHEARTS wrote: »

Obviously you flicked over the part where he kept them for 12 hours and assured them they be alright and brought them several cups of tea and biscuits and made sure they were looked after.

Oh yes because when ppl are innocently imprisoned its great to have yer ol' cup of tea like!

It was funny what he did with the Vermeer.
but he was a scumbag with a flare for extravagance. No doubht about it.

toiletduck

mike65 wrote: »

Forget the Atari option where the TROLL box for ticking?

Mike.

On top of all his other crimes, "The General" was an internet troll? :eek: Scumbag.

hussey

Ghey

Fyr.Fytr

ojewriej wrote: »

He nailed some lad to the floor (or was it a pool table?), blew up a scientist who was going to testiify against him, bullied a hot dog vendor out of business, scared a little girl out of testyfing against a fella who raped her. And that's just highlights.

He was a scumbag criminal.

My sentiments exactly

ericl

Banging two sisters.- Legend.

ericl

Terry wrote: »

Yes.
It's well documented.

Dunne.

Terry

Aye. Them's the ones.

It was already in the country, but those ****ers took it to a whole new lever and were basically responsible for the heroin epidemic in the 80's.
Well, them and the dumb ****s who took heroin, but weren't going to get addicted.

Call Me Jimmy

What a title! Hero lol

Tha Gopher

Terry wrote: »

Cahill brought hash into Ireland?
that's stretching it a bit.
He would only have been a child when that first became profitable here and would only have been small fry when heroin reared its ugly head.

He would have been in his 20s when hash became available in Dublin outside of the college set. Not that Im saying he sold it. I was asking the question because the OP seemed to justify Cahill as at least not being a "scumbag drug dealer".

Heroin was introduced in large quantities by some family whose name I can't remember right now.

Twas the Dunnes and Felloni who pushed heroin at first.

Tha Gopher

Terry wrote: »

Well, them and the dumb ****s who took heroin, but weren't going to get addicted.

tbh Ireland was a very different place in the late 70s in terms of what the ordinary Joe knew about the outside world. Heroin was a drug that the well read might have known was destroying the US at the time, with particular addiction among the nam vets who got their first taste of it while serving over there.

Well read people knew this. 17 year olds in Dublin who were offered some new smokeable brown powder as a freebie with the hash they were picking up may not have been as wise.

Virtually all young people have tried cannabis.
A large minority, possibly even a narrow majority, have tried cocaine and ecstasy at least once. Varies by social class and gender.
Chances are if these same lads were around in 1978 they would have smoked heroin.

As for the IRA, I read speculation somewhere that the explosion in heroin use in the likes of Limerick is partly due to the gangs no longer being in fear of the ageing and largely disarmed membership of the IRA. They tolerated hash, pills etc for years but when the guns were gone and as members got older, the gangs felt they could do and sell what they liked. While they point blank refused its sale in Belfast, and still do (IIRC Belfast has one of the lowest heroin use rates in Europe, while Dublin has one of the highest) Id reckon it was allowed in Dublin in return for taxes to be paid to the ra cause.

Virtually all young people have tried cannabis.
A large minority, possibly even a narrow majority, have tried cocaine and ecstasy at least once.
Chances are if these same lads were around in 1978 they would have smoked heroin.