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Which way will you vote (if at all)

DeVore

This is just for my curiousity and general interest. Please be honest if you are or arent going to vote....

DeV.

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kippy

For a start I'll definetly be voting. Havent missed a vote since I turned 18.
I'll be voting yes to this one. I really dont see what the issue is with a Yes vote. No one has convinced me that its a bad thing to vote no. Haveing read the majority of the treaty and the majority of the breakdowns of it, I am confident myself that I am happy with the treaty.
The EU has done a lot for us, without it God knows where we'd be right now. This treat allows the EU to run better with more member states.
I hope people do vote and have their say on this either way. Its important to make your vote count.
It would be ironic if people who advise that we would be loosing our voting power in Europe if this treaty pass dont actually vote.
Kippy

mikemac

Irish and Proud wrote: »

OK! Pádraig Pearse!

Are you happy now??? :mad:

Regards!

Never heard of him either.
To be pedantic, the man was fluent in Irish and English and would never have used an Irish first name and an English surname

Patrick Pearse, P H Pearse and Pádraig Anraí Mac Piarais are all acceptable.
Pádraig Pearse is not.

Yes, it's a pedantic point and one that most people don't know. I learned it Talking History radio show.

Why do people feel the need to debate the treaty here? There's a load of other threads on the exact same thing going on various fora here, why not let people say how they're voting and why (if they want) and let them have their opinion? Why the constant need to debate it in every single little thread started on the treaty? If someone posted asking what kind of paper the treaty is written on, I can guarantee the same shít would happen.

AtomicHorror

malice_ wrote: »

I'm voting No basically as a Fuck You to the government. I thought they would have learnt after the first Nice treaty that you can't just basically say to the general public "Vote Yes Because We Tell You To". If questioned it essentially amounts to "It's Good For You To Vote Yes".

The thing is though, I imagine that it will go through one way or another irrespective of how Ireland votes on it.

It'll be a "f*** you" to the opposition too. The government support the treaty but voting no does not weaken them here one bit. All it does is get Europe caught in the crossfire of your dissatisfaction. If you actually want to say that to the government, vote them out of power. I plan to be right there with you in that. Or better still, ring Mary Harney and tell her in person (probably won't help with that actually).

AtomicHorror

Rb wrote: »

Why do people feel the need to debate the treaty here? There's a load of other threads on the exact same thing going on various fora here, why not let people say how they're voting and why (if they want) and let them have their opinion? Why the constant need to debate it in every single little thread started on the treaty?

Aside from that being an exaggeration, we could conversely ask why you would rather people did not widely debate such a significant and relevant topic?

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Aside from that being an exaggeration, we could conversely ask why you would rather people did not widely debate such a significant and relevant topic?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=2106938

Look how many threads there are already on this to "debate" the facts about it, why does the same shíte have to be spouted in literally every thread that's started with the word "Lisbon" in the title?

AtomicHorror

muincav wrote: »

and as for a dictator like Mugabe, he was actually welcomed with open arms in this country back in 1983 or 1984....so he must of had something in commom with our so called Politicians sometime!

I'm not sure your insinuations could be any more vague. As previously stated by many others, if you don't like the government, vote them out of power. General elections and referendums are not the same thing.

muincav

Lets say that it turns out to be a No vote that comes out on top....will we be asked to vote again? or will anyone (except the yes camp) want to vote again as in the Nice treaty....because we will all know that result! I am serious about this, if that happens again I will never vote again...I will accept a yes vote if it happens as that would be the democratic way..

LolaDub

Rb wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=2106938

Look how many threads there are already on this to "debate" the facts about it, why does the same shíte have to be spouted in literally every thread that's started with the word "Lisbon" in the title?

Ha ha ha ha brilliant!!!

I'll be voting no, i think there's too many questions that haven't been answered by Europe and i definitely think something better could be negociated for Ireland. Its a good treaty for Europe but i don't think its great for Ireland. I think the yes campaign slogan good for Europe and good for Ireland is a bit silly, we're obviously voting for whats good for Ireland!

muincav

AtomicHorror wrote: »

I'm not sure your insinuations could be any more vague. As previously stated by many others, if you don't like the government, vote them out of power. General elections and referendums are not the same thing.

you seem like an intelligent person-so you figure it out-you seem to have everyone else figured out on this thread!

AtomicHorror

Rb wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?searchid=2106938

Look how many threads there are already on this to "debate" the facts about it, why does the same shíte have to be spouted in literally every thread that's started with the word "Lisbon" in the title?

Because many different communities, as indicated by diverse forums, wish to discuss the Treaty under different contexts and with different people. You gonna do a search on Google for all the other message boards discussing it outside of Boards? It'll all be over in a few days, relax.

is_that_so

muincav wrote: »

Lets say that it turns out to be a No vote that comes out on top....will we be asked to vote again? or will anyone (except the yes camp) want to vote again as in the Nice treaty....because we will all know that result! I am serious about this, if that happens again I will never vote again...I will accept a yes vote if it happens as that would be the democratic way..

Have a look at this thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055284592
It is the one big unknown. No one can say for sure.

muincav

is_that_so wrote: »

Have a look at this thread.
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055284592
It is the one big unknown. No one can say for sure.

I cant start on that thread as well, or I will have nightmares.....sorry..lol
Feck it lads its time to call it a night....

Tackleberry.

TBA.. would you sign a blank cheque .Lisbon is still open in so many areas i'll be voting NO, also i don't fancy being called a state and no longer the country of Ireland, small thing but it ment so much to many.

KnifeWRENCH

I'm still very much undecided (first time voting in anything so I want to get it right!

)
I've been leaning slightly towards "No" but I'm gonna a lot more before I make my final decision.

Agent Smith

square_igloo wrote: »

I'm still very much undecided (first time voting in anything so I want to get it right! )
I've been leaning slightly towards "No" but I'm gonna a lot more before I make my final decision.

its not a matter of getting it right. its voting for what you believe in.

Rock Climber

I'll be voting yes.
I haven't seen a no argument yet in this forum stand up to an examination by the poster scofflaw.
It's a no brainer really.

If anyone here is seriously thinking of voting no,I'd suggest having a read of his interactions with the various no voters here.

You can do this by going through a search of his posts here .

I wouldn't say this , if I wasn't very impressed and entirely confident that they are all a good read.
I'm quite shocked at times too with the sheer quackyness of some of the stuff he has had to reply to.

Fair play and thumbs up from me.

sink

Agent Smith wrote: »

its not a matter of getting it right. its voting for what you believe in.

Well if he's a new voter he probably doesn't know what he believes yet. I voted wrong in my first election because I hadn't made up my mind about what I believed in.

Cionád

I'm voting No cause Jim Corr said that... oh wait, no, i'm voting Yes

For many reasons, i've read the treaty and made my mind up.

Jean Marie Le Pen wants a no vote apparently lol

Cionád

sink wrote: »

Well if he's a new voter he probably doesn't know what he believes yet. I voted wrong in my first election because I hadn't made up my mind about what I believed in.

lol, well this time it's a yes / no choice so it's 50/50 whether or not he gets it right

I like those odds!!

sink

Rock Climber wrote: »

If anyone here is seriously thinking of voting no,I'd suggest having a read of his interactions with the various no voters here.

You can do this by going through a search of his posts here .

That link is not working try this one.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/search.php?do=finduser&u=59778

BlitzKrieg

I haven't seen a no argument yet in this forum stand up to an examination by the poster scofflaw.

Can I extend that respect to Sink and Oscar Bravo as well, the three of them have done a fantastic job of dividing fact and fiction.

Jack Sheehan

Should there possibly be an option for 'Would vote X but cannot because of Age/other mitigating factor' as distinct from the won't vote option?

[Deleted User]

Cionád wrote: »

Jean Marie Le Pen wants a no vote apparently lol

Yup that extreme right wing man and party has something in common with the extreme left wing Mary Lou and Sinn Féin

Yeah-ya know what it is?

I'm firmly convinced that they both see Europe as a threat because it lessens the chance of their extreme fringe wackiness ideas being implemented.
Ergo they must oppose Lisbon.

I'm voting yes by the way or had I said that already?
I'll second the proposal that Sink,OB and Scofflaws posts be looked at by anyone undecided for the fact that any "no" argument I've read here has not stood up to them.

That says it all really.

Jack Sheehan

It is a little odd that Lisbon has thrown together extreme left and right isn't it?

sink

Jack Sheehan wrote: »

It is a little odd that Lisbon has thrown together extreme left and right isn't it?

It just means that whatever both extremes oppose must be somewhere in the centre.

BlitzKrieg

the thought of extreme left and right mixing makes me very worried...

KnifeWRENCH

Agent Smith wrote: »

its not a matter of getting it right. its voting for what you believe in.

By "right" I mean that I want to vote and be happy with the way I've voted. I don't wanna come out with regrets and think "Maybe I shouldn't have voted that way..."

Sorry, should have been clearer

Call Me Jimmy

muincav wrote: »

Im voting a definite NO!
one reason for me voting NO is, that I have the FREEDOM to vote no, and I dont have to be told by all the political crooks in this country how I should vote.
If you all remember they have told us how to vote before (Nice treaty) and when we didnt comply to our allmighty rulers wishes, we had to do it all again...me thinks,,,,Mugabe and Zimbabwe..or am I the only one?

what the hell is this? Did you not get to rebel as a teenager or something? I can't take this seriously can I?

Voting no because you have the freedom to vote no? How do you manage to do anything without going cross-eyed and falling down?

[Deleted User]

square_igloo I can confidently tell you that I've voted in more elections and referenda than you could shake a stick at by now [makes me feel old

] and you are not going to be completely regret free with any decision you make vote wise any time.

If we were , there would be no need for elections/referenda at all.

The best you can do is,weigh things up and decide.