AtomicHorror wrote: » Just like the 50% of American's who said they'd head for Canada if Bush got back in?
JodJunior wrote: » PEOPLE DIED FOR YOUR FREEDOM - like paddy parse and james connoly if ye vote yes that rising of 1916 was nothing - VOTE NO
AtomicHorror wrote: » PrivateEye wrote: » *450 million people without a vote...thats not democracy. France and Holland voted no to the bast majority of this document. When did this happen? France passed the treaty with a huge majority, Holland by 3 to 1 majority. If you're talking about Libertas's "95% of the Lisbon Treaty was rejected in the form of the constitution..." spiel, how come when they changed just 5% of the text it got accepted by huge majority?
PrivateEye wrote: » *450 million people without a vote...thats not democracy. France and Holland voted no to the bast majority of this document.
"Public opinion will be led to adopt, without knowing it, the proposals that we dare not present to them directly" "All the earlier proposals will be in the new text, but will be hidden and disguised in some way."-Valery Giscard d'Estaing, author of the original Lisbon Constitution
nag wrote: » Why does this not ring alarm bells with the yes voters?
At any rate, it won't matter a damn what the outcome of the vote is because the EU Parliament already rejected an amendment which stated that the EU would respect the outcome of the Irish vote, implying that the Lisbon Treaty is going through no matter what.
Regardless of who might be right or wrong, when there's a yes/no vote on something, the yes side is always going to try and paint a rosey picture of the future to try and fool you into voting yes, while the no side will always try prey on your fears and doubt to get you to vote no.
If I were you, instead of blindly voting yes just on how one side has run their campaign, read up on the treaty and make a well informed, educated decision.
molloyjh wrote: » "450 million people without a vote" They did vote. Their vote was for their Government. Part of the Government mandates were the negotiation and ratification of international treaties. Everything is above board and totally legit with this.
I'm voting No basically as a **** You to the government. I thought they would have learnt after the first Nice treaty that you can't just basically say to the general public "Vote Yes Because We Tell You To". If questioned it essentially amounts to "It's Good For You To Vote Yes".
minidazzler wrote: » I am voting YES. Basically because while I may not fully understand the Treaty, I absolutely hate Scare Tactics so with Sinn Fein(well in honestly the should call them selves Me Fein) Saying No with scare tactics. I am voting Yes.
BlitzKrieg wrote: » What campaign? The government and yes side campaign has been a f*cking disaster of laziness and idiocy. But I am still voting yes. because I read up on the treaty. 2 weeks ago I was going to vote no, I had the leaflets, I had all the points that have come through here again and again, and I sat down and read them, and double checked them with the treaty and other sources. And I changed my position. that sort of backfired on you didnt it? anyway I can pursade you to save that for the next election or referndum that actually affects our government?
Jabcity wrote: » Definate No!! Being a part of the "united states of europe" as theyr callin it now is just showin how much we're lettin our cultural identity slip. We already lost our language to the point of near non-existence, the capital is a-wash with multiculturalism its a genuine shock when more than 10 people on the bus speak english! People are probably going to call me narrow minded or racist, but thats what I believe it comes down to, being our own culture and having control on our own country. Its "republic of Ireland" after all, not "Republic of Ireland and Europe"!
Irish and Proud wrote: » Maybe you should read up: www.euinfo.ie and click the Q&A section in the left column! Regards!
UB wrote: » Never heard of him.
sink wrote: » Ha! I just had a look out of curiosity and on the first question they got the European Court of Human Rights which is part of the Council of Europe and is completely separate from the EU mixed up with the European Court of Justice which is part of the EU. We have been a member of the ECHR for many year in fact it was that court that turned over the statutory rape clause in our constitution last year. Some source that is, full of rubbish.
muincav wrote: » Im voting a definite NO! one reason for me voting NO is, that I have the FREEDOM to vote no, and I dont have to be told by all the political crooks in this country how I should vote. If you all remember they have told us how to vote before (Nice treaty) and when we didnt comply to our allmighty rulers wishes, we had to do it all again...me thinks,,,,Mugabe and Zimbabwe..or am I the only one?
Irish and Proud wrote: » Now, did I say the site was perfect? Maybe, you should read the rest of it with a slightly less slanted mind and then make an proper judgement! Regards!
is_that_so wrote: » A Stong yes. Some things are bigger than the pettiness and completely unfounded mistruths that have been peddled as "fact" by the No campaign. The treaty in my view is essential for Europe and its evolution;an evolution I strongly believe we should be part of. Whatever way you vote inform yourself on the facts.
nag wrote: » The reason it was passed was because when they revamped the EU Constitution into the Lisbon Treaty, they didn't put it to a second referendum. Instead, their parliament ratified it, bi-passing the people. How on earth can you call that democracy?
Are you just following the party line or have you been totally brainwashed in to thinking this is good for Ireland....you should check out those "mistruths" again and maybe YOU will come across a few facts!
Irish and Proud wrote: » Well there's certainly a tint of dictatorship concerning EU politicians IMO! One reason why I'm voting NO! Regards!
muincav wrote: » Are you just following the party line or have you been totally brainwashed in to thinking this is good for Ireland....you should check out those "mistruths" again and maybe YOU will come across a few facts!
AtomicHorror wrote: » You're probably not the only one, but you are completely wrong. There are some pretty dubious tactics being employed on both sides of this referendum but to compare either of them to a fascist dictator who employs murder, violence, incarceration and intimidation as means to retain power is to severely lose the plot. Get some perspective. As for all the "political crooks" as you call them- it's not just the government who are supporting this, it's the opposition too. Perhaps crooks too, but that does not relate to this treaty, it relates to general elections. And while I am constantly disappointed to see Fianna Fail re-elected time and again, I agree with their support of this treaty.
