derek27 wrote: » The fact that the sale of alcohol is forbidden and abstinence from meat is expected on Good Friday are the only things that actually make the day stand out from any other day in the year... most people, including people who regard themselves as being religious, don't even know what Good Friday is about from a religious perspective... if we could go pub and what not as usual, then the religious celebration of Good Friday would slip into oblivion as people would just do what they would every other Friday and not even know when Good Friday was coming about.
Tusky wrote: » Christmas has become less and less about religion and more about a seasonal end of year celebration. Nothing wrong with that. How many people give a second thought about religion when opening their presents or chatting to family ? Regardless of the religious affiliation, people need holidays throughout the year.
sombaht wrote: » Just out of curiosity, do you object as strongly to having to take St Patricks Day off? Another religious motivated holiday celebrating the introduction of Catholocism to this land? Or is that ok 'cos you can still get a pint? Cheers, sombaht
Motosam wrote: » I'm Irish, always have been. But 22 years ago my father had the good sense to see that alot of people are full of sh1t, and didn't force fairy tales on me. This IS a secular state, I AM Irish, and I drink very little, but today I feel like having a few beers. This isn't Saudi Arabia, we aren't governed by religion, and if any of you hypocrites want to impose these ridiculous laws, you had better turn veggie for the day, not use condoms and abstain from impure thoughts. .
DubArk wrote: » I 100% agree.Religion is not important to a lot of people but saying that it is to a core of Christians (Im not One) in this country and traditionally that has been the case here in Ireland for quite some time. I believe that respect must be shown to those who wish to celebrate their religious festivals as they always have. Of course that will al change with time as we become a more multi ethnic society but my mother for example would be a devout Christian and this time of year is very important to her and her beliefs. So TWO DAYS without been legally allowed to enter a pub or buy alcohol is such a tiny thing when you look at the bigger picture.
DubArk wrote: » Your father may of thought a lot of good things but this is not a secular state, our constitutions is so rapped up in the Catholic religion it’ll blow your mind!! This isn't Saudi Arabia…………. very true and thank who ever, it’s Ireland.;) We aren't governed by religion……….. again our constitution is!! Veggies, condoms, impure thoughts…….. Well really!! You’ll be starting your own religion up next!
I do object in principle to the state recognising certain religious festivals and not others.
Motosam wrote: » No meat on good friday, no condoms, no coveting this that and the other, no sex before marriage, no abortion, babies go to limbo, wait they dont, wait they do, wait they dont. Now let anyone who believes all of this choose not to drink, not impose it on me.
sombaht wrote: » What religious festivals are we not recognising?
Well there is a current ban on me being able to celebrate one of the most important dates in my own personal religion. This involves lots of drink and meat eating and just happens to fall on the Friday before the first Sunday after the spring full moon each year
Hannukah, Eid-Ul-Adha... Anything not Christian.
The-Rigger wrote: » How about you abstain from drinking on those days (and/or other days), instead of enforcing it? Surely that would show more dedication (or any at all) to your god?[/quote]I have at least four time said in all me responses IM NOT A CHRISTIAN! Im not affiliated to any religion.So don’t assume that I am. :mad: Why didnt you buy some drink yeaterday?
Archimedes wrote: » I had 6 shots of aftershock in front of me at 12:05am last night/today. Sure I bet himself was dieing for a pint up on that cross.
sombaht wrote: » What religious festivals are we not recognising? Cheers, sombaht
sombaht wrote: » So if were to close the pubs on those days as well and take a days holiday it would be ok yeah? Cheers, sombaht Edit: Actually I would be all for celebrating every other religious festival under the sun if it entitled me to a few more days off work!
sombaht wrote: » I don't think there is a ban on the consumption of meat and alcohol on the Friday before the first Sunday after the spring full moon each year for non-Catholics, more just a ban on the purchase of alcohol on the same day.
o where do you draw the line? Only major religions?
special religiously consecrated buildings that you may have heard of refered to as pubs
sombaht wrote: » I dont see where I'm drawing the line? .... I guess it would include all religions that are "recognised by the state" to prevent "silly" people from dreaming up a religion that requires them to take 6 out of every 7 days off for "religious practices".:)
Boom! You just drew a line!
If push came to shove I guess it would include all religions that are "recognised by the state"
to prevent "silly" people from dreaming up a religion that requires them to take 6 out of every 7 days off for "religious practices".
should we just recognize everybody's religion and have 365 days of religious festivals and never go to work? Sounds good to me. Can't see it working however.
For the sake of being practical you're discriminating against people who might not have as populist views as the rest of the country. They supposed to just slave away on their days of prayer? Or dip into their precious holidays?
sombaht wrote: » Well actually this is allready in place, as a Muslim colleague of mine had to dip into his holiday bank to take a few days off for Eid al Fitr (end of Ramadan I think). Now id we could get the government to recognise these religious holidays he wouldnt have to do this, and we'd all get a few extra days as well. See, religious based holidays are not a bad idea! @) Cheers, sombaht
sombaht wrote: » ... prevent "silly" people from dreaming up a religion ...
And by so doing you are deciding what is and is not acceptable as a religion. Who are you (or indeed anybody) to say that someone's faith is of less import than another person's?
I thought the whole cause of this thread was down to some daft beliefs and imaginary friends that some people came up with a few thousand years ago?
sombaht wrote: » Actually I am not deciding what is or is not a religion. I believe the state does that allready. Islam is a recognised religion within Ireland as is Sikhism, Hindu, Buddhist etc etc. As to what makes these recognisable and other not, I cannot be sure but I believe it has to do with a certain % of the population practising it, this is usually determined during the census.
is that fair? Or merely practical?
