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the two Polish guy's that got stabbed

Wook

I have been following this sad story, the only part i don't understand in many of those Youth crimes is, that the media is not dragging the parents through the ordeal of what their kids have caused.

Would it not be a very good deterrent knowing what your kid does will reflect on you one way or another?
Kids stabbing somebody in the head with a fricking screw driver just seems like parent who did a crap job at their job raising the teenagers.

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the dee

Well the suspects are minors so they are given anonynimity (?) until charged aren't they? Once they are charged or convicted or otherwise identified then the media storm against them and their parents will begin.

At the moment we don't know who we should be talking about.

Xavi6

Why is it necessarily the parents' fault? The kids could be little sh*ts for a variety of reasons i.e. bad network of friends.

Hagar

Second guy has died I believe.
Two wasted lives. Madness, sheer madness.

danniemcq

yeah just heard the other guy died too, what the frak is going on these days. if the guys are ever got they'll be out agin in 5 years. I detest the way irish law is set

Ulysses Gaze

what the frak is going on these days

Break down of law and order followed by ineptitude of police/legal system?

BigglesMcGee

They should all be equally hel accountable for these murders. They were all involved in the systematic murders of these 2 guys, not just the scumback with the screwdirver.

sombaht

Why is it necessarily the parents' fault? The kids could be little sh*ts for a variety of reasons i.e. bad network of friends.

Because its the parents responsibility to be aware of who their kids socialise with. Can be difficult, but not impossible and does not have to "invade" their little darlings privacy.

If you know your kids are hanging out with a bunch of scumbags do you honestly stand idly by and let it happen?

Granted blame can't be laid entirely at the parents feet, but they are responsible fora large part of it

Cheers,
sombaht

SheroN

They're little sh1tbags. Anyone hear them talking on newstalk about carrying knives around etc?

You'd swear they were living in south central LA. One of the little tards said "If we go down to Rathmines we know what to expect and if they come up here they know what to expect too, so i carry knife"

It's trully sickening.

RIP the two Polish guys.

missmatty

Yeah heard them on newstalk, laughing about knifing someone before they knife you... :mad:

Little scumbags, they won't rat on each other either. I'd be surprised if they get anyone for this.

SheroN

Xavi6 wrote: »

Why is it necessarily the parents' fault? The kids could be little sh*ts for a variety of reasons i.e. bad network of friends.

**** that. They're little sh1tbags. If I could find a womb big enough I'd shove them into it and try and abort them (what the parents should have done in the first place). They're a waste of human organs.

seamus

I think that if your child gets convicted of a headline crime (murder, rape, etc), then each parent should have to serve half of the minimum sentence and all of their children should be taken from them and permanently put into care.

Raising a person who as a child can murder another person takes actual effort. Plain old neglect isn't sufficient. If your child murders someone (as a child), you're clearly incapable of raising children and guilty of criminal neglect at the very least.

Beruthiel

seamus wrote: »

I think that if your child gets convicted of a headline crime (murder, rape, etc), then each parent should have to serve half of the minimum sentence and all of their children should be taken from them and permanently put into care.

Raising a person who as a child can murder another person takes actual effort. Plain old neglect isn't sufficient. If your child murders someone (as a child), you're clearly incapable of raising children and guilty of criminal neglect at the very least.

I couldn't agree more.
And am I right in saying, that these two men died because they refused to buy drink in the off licence for this gang of scumbags?

biko

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0228/breaking6.htm

Second man dies after Drimnagh attack

Gardaí have opened a double murder investigation following the death of a second man after an attack in Drimnagh at the weekend.

Pawel Kalite (26) originally from Poland and with an address on Benbulbin Road, Dublin 12, died in St James's Hospital after being stabbed in the throat with a screwdriver.

His friend Marius Szwajkos (27), from Szczucin in Poland, died on Monday after he was stabbed in the head during the attack.

Gardaí had opened a murder case following the death of Mr Szwajkos and are questioning a third teenager today. The 17-year-old was arrested at 4pm yesterday after going to Sundrive Road Garda station.

Two other teenagers, aged 19 and 15, have already been questioned by gardaí and released without charge.

Gardaí believe the three were on Benbulben Road, Drimnagh, just before 7pm on Saturday. Files are being prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions.

Both the victims came to Ireland last year looking for work in the construction industry. It is believed they were attacked after they refused to buy alcohol for a group of local teenagers.

The victims' families have arrived in Ireland from Poland. Accommodation has been provided by Dublin City Council, and a fund for the families has been set up at the AIB on Dublin's Naas Road.

Terry

It takes a special kind of scumbag to stab someone.
It takes an extremely unique type of scumbag to stab someone in the head.

They're only kids and once they realise that they are going to spend a long time locked away, they will crack and tell all, if they already haven't.
You can be guaranteed that at least one of them is in floods of tears right now after being told that they will now be done for murdering two people.

Like Gordon said, take the kids from the parents and put the parents away.
At least if they are in jail, the chances of them continuing to breed are slim.

ShagNastii

It is believed they were attacked after they refused to buy alcohol for a group of local teenagers.

This would make you sick!

little lady

the dee wrote: »

Well the suspects are minors so they are given anonynimity (?) until charged aren't they?

I thought that because of their age they won't be named at all.

I think that some of the blame lies with the parents and how they raised their children but then again the suspects are between 16 and 19 years old and they are not completely stupid, they do know the difference between right and wrong and no matter how messed up you are you know that it is wrong to stab someone regardless of what part of the body.

In circumstances like this I think that whomever is found guilty should be named regardless of age and they should be put away for a VERY long time, non of this "sentances running concurrently" c**p that our judges hand down.

kittensoft1984

yeah that was very scary!

happened around the corner from my home in Dublin!

DonJose

Scumbags, life should mean life!!!

mike65

I love the reactions from the locals - "a its a lovely area no trouble round here its terrible that this has happened" etc. How many of these locals would stand up and be counted I wonder?

Mike.

gurramok

Yeh, if it's a lovely area, they won't have any bother standing up. (Not standing up in a bad area i understand.)

Would these be classified as racist murders? (not sure if there has been any in Ireland in recent years?)

Dennis the Stone

****ing love if a vigilante group took these bastards up to the Wicklow Mountains

seamus

gurramok wrote: »

Would these be classified as racist murders? (not sure if there has been any in Ireland in recent years?)

I don't think we distinguish between types of murder in this country. The motivation for the murder would simply be used as evidence or taken into account at sentencing time.

nikki 122

SheroN wrote: »

**** that. They're little sh1tbags. If I could find a womb big enough I'd shove them into it and try and abort them (what the parents should have done in the first place). They're a waste of human organs.

nicely said ..in my opinion the parents should be punished to a certain extent that way they will force thier kids to behave but those little murderers should be severly punished i mean what is wrong with our society , two people were savagely attacked by kids and died i just dont understand all this madness!!!

kittensoft1984

mike65 wrote: »

I love the reactions from the locals - "a its a lovely area no trouble round here its terrible that this has happened" etc. How many of these locals would stand up and be counted I wonder?

Mike.

well i for one am i local and i wouldnt say its a nice area etc etc!

its not a bad area either to be honest, but there has been a fair few murders and stabbings etc!

mike65

Thats the way things are isn't it? A location could be hell but when the media come knocking everythings grand until an area gets such a bad rep there is no point pretending otherwise.

Mike.

Hagar

Bloody forriners, coming here and being our murder victims...

MIN2511

I think it's unfair that the sins of the parents fall on the kids or vice versa

5starpool

Those little fcuks should get screwdrivers stuck through their balls and be hung up by them. I am not usually an eye for an eye type, but pricks like these are the reason that there are arguments in favour of capital punishment (which I am generally against)

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

omg, those americans are so stupid being allowed to carry guns. I think we can all be incredibly grateful those two murdered poles weren't allowed carry weapons to defend themselves, and thank jesus we live in a free country.

freedom!

Boggles

MIN2511 wrote: »

I think it's unfair that the sins of the parents fall on the kids or vice versa

Parents own there kids until they are 18. If my dog bit someone, I'd be accountable, same difference IMO.