Live self-Builds - mod warning in post no. 1

Villain wrote: »

BBA certs are good enough for me, can you advise why rubber slates should only be used at your peril??

Seem good all round, only possible issue is wind on a very high pitch as the slates can "flap" but that can be worked around also??

"BBA certs are good enough for you" maby so but not without the Irish regulation approval .......so when there is a problem with colour loss, and lifting of the slate tails because the they as fixed to battens and not sarking board, who will you turn to ?

BoylerMan

Villain,
Had a look at your Blog and noticed that you are building in Co. Carlow. I too am building in Co. Carlow and am a bit further on. Currently insulating & Plasterboarding. From the picture I assume that you will stone the access also ? It may be best to do it now as it will pay off in the long run when you have trucks, etc in. I got my filling/stone for 7Euro/tonne (cash) locally.

odonoso

Hi Hiscan

Who was your supplier

Sean

hiscan

BoylerMan wrote: »

It cost about 900 Euro for the materials as I recall which is for about a 100m2 area of ceiling. Its not cheap but the finished job is excellent. Again, it takes time to do it correct. A good laser level is essential as each clip must be checked when screwing the clips to the channel.

it costs e16 per sq meter supply and fit and it is way better than timber battens

Not much time to spare but blog is up http://livebuild.blogspot.com/

my self build

http://www.slide.com/r/WrlekUlH2j82CFzTP3phbaJRlk1ZMZUk?current_view=TICKER&previous_view=TICKER_MENU_SHARE&previous_action=SHARE&cid=648518346349265764

House is marked out now, looks good location for sun couldn't be better, only one issue there is a land drain on the site which would be passing under the back of the house so that will have to be re-routed not a big problem but a few more Euro's!

mukki

sinnerboy

Slates wrote: »

Does the BBA cert have an Irish regulation approvement cover letter ?

As I said before, use these rubber slates at your peril !

some bba certs do have appendix relating to irish b regs ..... but most don't

nonetheless bba certs are almost always fine a reliable indicator of performance

BBA certs are good enough for me, can you advise why rubber slates should only be used at your peril??

Seem good all round, only possible issue is wind on a very high pitch as the slates can "flap" but that can be worked around also??

Villain wrote: »

Sorry I was away for the last few days only getting back now, the sample slate I go was from http://www.goecotech.com/index.htm they have BBA approved rubber slates with a 50 year warranty.

They look very very much like a natural slate but won't break and won't fade like cheaper slates.

Does the BBA cert have an Irish regulation approvement cover letter ?

As I said before, use these rubber slates at your peril !

Sorry I was away for the last few days only getting back now, the sample slate I go was from http://www.goecotech.com/index.htm they have BBA approved rubber slates with a 50 year warranty.

They look very very much like a natural slate but won't break and won't fade like cheaper slates.

odonoso

My Roofer start Monday and he is making good progress. When I saw the floor space in the attic I decided to put two velux on the back of my house. There is space for two rooms up there

sydthebeat

http://www.athyecoslate.com/houseroof1.html

I think this is the rubber slate crowd.

must admit, theres no proof of any certification on their website, this always worries me.

Jollyman wrote: »

Thanks for that slates, just curious as to why you would not recommend the rubber slates, im sure Villian would like to know

What guarantees are given that the rubber slates are suitable for the Irish climate. Are the agrément certified ?

Oh i don't know about that now sher ill keep putting them up for another while! If i disappear someday ye will know I'm gone broke!!:D

metalscrubber

Jolly,

Fair play to you for putting up your budgets.
Its great to see real figures for once.

Metal

Thanks for that slates, just curious as to why you would not recommend the rubber slates, im sure Villian would like to know

Jollyman wrote: »

Rubber slates??? Have you a link, i would like if at all possible with budget being the deciding factor go for a natural slate, if thats not achievable i may chance a natural Brazilian slate i must get peoples opinions on these first though. I think tegral do an imitation of a natural slate too though.
I suppose as long as you are well above ground level on the site to subfloor its ok, have you got a planning imposed ridge height?

Jollyman, don't touch these rubber slates with a barge pole, Tegral do a reconstituted slate call Melboure, but these are the same prices as a mid range natural slate. If you want a natural looking slate without the cost you should be looking at Thrutone Relief of Rivendale
http://www.tegral.com/Tegralbp/pdf/roof.pdf

I'll try and dig up info on rubber slates their made in Athy now, do a search others has posted about them. I went to see a house with them and I swore they looked like natural slates and then I want to do some AV work on a house and commented on the natural slates only to be told again that they were rubber, the prices are very keen compared to natural more expensive than trutone etc though as they are lattes are closer with more of an over lap. No breakages though and they will take waste back and recylce it!

my height restriction is 6.5 from floor to ridge, but no spec on what floor level is!!!

Rubber slates??? Have you a link, i would like if at all possible with budget being the deciding factor go for a natural slate, if thats not achievable i may chance a natural Brazilian slate i must get peoples opinions on these first though. I think tegral do an imitation of a natural slate too though.
I suppose as long as you are well above ground level on the site to subfloor its ok, have you got a planning imposed ridge height?

Ah I see water on site is handy I'll probably end up having to get well bored and then use generator to pump it to a container each day, drawing it would be a serious pain in backside.

My costs to sub floor will depend a lot on how many rows of footings I put in, there is a meter of a drop to cleared area of site to road level, some people think I should bring floor level to road level but that would be or 9 rows of blocks on the footings I'll probably go 6 rows, the suspended timber floor will cost a bit more but make life for plumbing and cable running a lot lot easier.

What slates are going for, I'm leaning towards rubber slates.

The farmer had a water supply on the site for troughs tor the horses i had 2m3 of concrete left over one evenin he needed it and i told him by the way im using your water worked out fairly ok!!!

Drawing the water would be difficult but i had an IBC arranged with a car trailer if necessary!

The budget went between all the stone and the 30m3 of extra concrete because we hit stone in the Fdns, it did not help the case either that we had the JCB in at the start because it fairly ripped the place up! I have over €6k paid out on machine work €7k on stone.

I hope the weather keeps if for you makes things so much easier not to be dealing with slop on site.

Yea just saw that Jolyman 20k over budget, where did your budget get caught the most, the 12k for labour or the 8k for stone and machine?

Also what are you doing for water onsite have you a connection or are you drawing water to site, if your drawing it what are you using?

Update on my build? Well its actually moving now, marked out the corners of the house and garage at the weekend so we'r all set to mark the foundations out next saturday and then dig and put them the following weekend weather permitting, I'm not in a rush so if it gets really wet I'll hold off.

Updated the Budget tracker to finished floor level pretty scary!!! :eek: Im sure we will pull some of it back on our way to wall plate though!

DonalN

escape wrote: »

we met architect just for a brief meet and greet - just to get overall idea of prices etc, i have lot of ideas and have basic idea of house etc, he seemed to be talking my language straight away as regards ideas - so thought that was helpful, but really he is pricy. - only want him for plans not all the way through build

that is quite pricey. We got ours for 2.8k, including site survey, plans and planning app.

escape

we met architect just for a brief meet and greet - just to get overall idea of prices etc, i have lot of ideas and have basic idea of house etc, he seemed to be talking my language straight away as regards ideas - so thought that was helpful, but really he is pricy. - only want him for plans not all the way through build

escape

sydthebeat

Being Pedantic ...........that can be helpful to!!

I really meant direct labour as opposed to self-build - god i really would know nothing about actually building it myself!!

so just to correct that - hoping to go direct labour

btw did i mention i am so new to all this ............