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Lazy Teachers

dame

Hi folks,

What do you think of the fact that teachers are entitled to a week off for their wedding? I'm not joking, if a teacher gets married during the school year they are entitled to the week off, paid. Is this not taking the piss?

Also, I know of a teacher who took a week off to get laser eye treatment. Shouldn't she just have done this during the summer, or the Halloween week off, or waited until the three weeks off at Christmas, or even the Easter holidays??? (Some) Teachers are the laziest people in Ireland! They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever.

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squishywishy

dame wrote: »

I'm sure most of you would actually agree that personal things should be planned for (where possible) holiday periods.

Where possible i would yes but i want a christmas wedding when i get married so i have no problem with taking a day or two off to allow that to happen. I work hard all year round and ill only take a day or two off for my wedding once in my life. Between now and 65 thats not much to ask for. people in other careers pull sickies for less important reasons, why arent you moaning about that??

dame

rainbowtrout wrote: »

While I most definitely have the experience of preparing work for many hours after school and being involved extra curricular activities, I think perhaps the above example may be a bit extreme in some respects. From my experience most communion/confirmation practice would take place in school hours as would sports days. And I'm not splitting hairs but I've never heard of any school starting at 8am. It's generally not feasible in rural schools because of the bus runs.

Actually, before I forget (meant to say this earlier), kudos to rainbowtrout for being the only teacher to be honest and point this out. I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Who has slated your hard work?

emmmmmmmmmm let me see................YOU!
you've be moaning and notching about how teachers dont do any work once the school day ends. I have been up to my eyes with planning and paper work for the last two weeks and prior to that too!!
I correct all the childrens work after class and stay back to put displays up and meet parents, none of that gets any recognition in any of your posts. with the way you go on you'd swear i hand out work sheets and sit looking at the children working all day before ticking a few lines or sums.

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

people in other careers pull sickies for less important reasons, why arent you moaning about that??

I'm not, not moaning about that. Obviously there are some dead weights in every profession. That was agreed upon pages back. In some professions you will get disciplined for such a misdemeanour (pulling sickies without good cause). It would definitely be a negative mark towards you when going for promotion or for a raise. You might even get fired if you did it too often or if it meant you didn't meet a deadline.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

Im not exaggerating my working day at all! I arrive in school at 8.10-8.15 and do prep work before bringing the kids in for 9, i teach until 2.40 and drop the kids out to be collected at 2.45 and would leave the school at earliest 3.30 - 4. After dinner i always have work to do, amount depends on the day in it.

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

none of that gets any recognition in any of your posts.

Have to be pedantic here; that's not "slating".

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

In some professions you will get disciplined for such a misdemeanour (pulling sickies without good cause). It would definitely be a negative mark towards you when going for promotion or for a raise. You might even get fired if you did it too often or if it meant you didn't meet a deadline.

Same in teaching....whats your point???

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Have to be pedantic here; that's not "slating".

It is in the way you say it, many others here have and will agree

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Im not exaggerating my working day at all! I arrive in school at 8.10-8.15 and do prep work before bringing the kids in for 9, i teach until 2.40 and drop the kids out to be collected at 2.45 and would leave the school at earliest 3.30 - 4. After dinner i always have work to do, amount depends on the day in it.

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

Time and time again: most people do extra hours and bring work home with them, especially in the early years of their career.

Fast_Mover

squishywishy wrote: »

Student teachers also get very littel recognition. they do HOURS of prep each night as do Dip teachers. Kudos to them!

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Same in teaching....whats your point???

What's yours?

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Time and time again: most people do extra hours and bring work home with them, especially in the early years of their career.

Havent heard of any doctors or nurses bringing home charts or shop assistants bringing home shirts to fold or bank clerks bringing bags of money to count!?!?

dame

Fast_Mover wrote: »

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

Should every student get paid?

squishywishy

Fast_Mover wrote: »

Thanks squishywishy!! Perhaps I should start a thread 'Should Student teachers get paid?' Wonder what dame would have to say!!:rolleyes:
Here surrounded by SESE books planning lessons for next week.

We tried to get grants last year but nothing happened!! Get yourself off to bed, SESE can be done tomorrow...you'll be wrecked!!! The jpys of TP

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

Havent heard of any doctors or nurses bringing home charts or shop assistants bringing home shirts to fold or bank clerks bringing bags of money to count!?!?

Maybe not but you'll have heard of them working extra hours and you'll definitely have heard of people ringing up a doctor who's off duty, in a panic about something.

The bank clerk would get locked up for that!

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Should every student get paid?

For the money spent on teaching resources only, nurses and doctors get uniform allowances so teachers should be no different for the vital pieces of equipment we need to teach

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

teachers should be no different for the vital pieces of equipment we need to teach

:eek: They don't provide you with chalk or white board markers and big card for posters and all that stuff? :mad: They really should.

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

Maybe not but you'll have heard of them working extra hours:D;)

thats my point, we do extra hours and everyone says oh but they're off at 2 and have the weekend but other professions stay late and everyone talks about how hard it is for them!!

Ive worked in office jobs too and i can honestly say that some days teaching can feel like you've done a twelve hour shift and it might only be 11am

squishywishy

dame wrote: »

:eek: They don't provide you with chalk or white board markers and big card for posters and all that stuff? :mad: They really should.

Nope, we get nada when we are on teaching placement. Everything including photocopying comes out of the students pocket. It can cost hundreds depending on the school and what you are teaching

dame

squishywishy wrote: »

thats my point, we do extra hours and everyone says oh but they're off at 2 and have the weekend but other professions stay late and everyone talks about how hard it is for them!!

Ive worked in office jobs too and i can honestly say that some days teaching can feel like you've done a twelve hour shift and it might only be 11am

That may be, but when other people do extra hours it's usually after a longer day/week to start with.

I agree with you, teaching would be much more pressurised than a lot of office jobs. I mean you'd be tired after answering the phone on a reception desk for 8 hours but it would be a lot easier than teaching for 6 hours.

Fast_Mover

Atleast in an office job your sitting down..over the past two weeks I'v been out teaching I can honesly say I havn't sat down once, not even while their doing their work..your walking around observing them, seeing are they all on task, having any problems, spelling, etc..only time im not on my feet is when I get to the staff room and thats after iv spend 10minutes of my break getting the children to eat their lunch and go outside..im wreaked when I get home everyday but yet iv to face into preparing for the next day.

Rhonda9000

Impartially speaking, I would like to say that dame is winning the argument I think. I don't have an opinion on teachers ... it is all relative, everyone believes they are more overworked and underpaid than anyone else. As an aside, I think everyone can swallow pretty easily the fact that the civil service has a higher proportion of unincentivized, unproductive workers comfortably evading corporate restructuring/downsizing, unrealistic target obligations ('benchmarking' is bull****), 'stingy pension schemes etc. (NOTE: NOT SAYING ANYBODY IN THIS CONVERSATION IS). My hat off to the genuinely hard working decent teachers out there that deliver; it's not a profession I could cope with.

Seth Brundle

dame wrote: »

*sigh* Go back a few pages kbannon. The "no" was in answer to another poster who had asked a question which had already been answered earlier in the thread.

I don't care about that. My question asked where you are getting all your information regarding teachers which justified starting this thread. Your distinct lack of knowledge about teachers in general prompted me to ask it. Twice you have not answered it.

dame wrote: »

Nah, he's ruled himself out of the "argument" too due to his lack of personal experience.
He's obviously totally unreliable, just like he'd have me to be.

FFS - now you are posting shíte! How did I rule myself out of the argument? I asked a question twice and you refused to answer it.
How have I shown myself to be unreliable?

rainbowtrout

squishywishy wrote: »

Nope, we get nada when we are on teaching placement. Everything including photocopying comes out of the students pocket. It can cost hundreds depending on the school and what you are teaching

Don't bother campaigning for pay for student teachers, it won't work, we tried it when we were in college and the response is basically, 'the college don't have to fund your work placement and the Dept of Ed is already paying a qualified teacher to do those hours so why should they pay you, that would be paying 2 people to do the same hours which is never going to happen'

Teaching practice can be expensive resource-wise but I think dame's comment was fair. In all of my placements I was given board markers/chalk/ access to photocopier. Now I did go to expense buying posters to draw things for class etc but as everyone who has done teaching practice will know, inspectors love to see student teachers using a whole plethora of resources, therefore you are going to make the effort to get as high a grade as possible, I know some schools were stingy when it came to things like using the photocopier and I know student teachers who paid for all their own photocopying etc, but my experiences were generally positive in that respect. I don't know how it works for primary school student teachers but there was a teaching practice resource section in my college library where we could take charts out on loan and save the cost of materials to make our own ones.

Trotter also made the point about 2 pages back about his/her working day starting at 8am etc. I think for a newly qualified teacher to be doing long hours the first year or two is the norm, making out resources, handouts etc for every subject, having said that once you have gone throught the full cycle on any syllabus - primary or secondary, that level of work preparation should realistically reduce in some way. I do replace handouts or look for new ways to teach things every year but I don't rehash every handout and resource year after year. I still spend time after school correcting work, photocopying, preparing work for classes but nothing like I spent the first year making worksheets and handouts which i am still using to a large extent.

Trotter

dame wrote: »

Actually, before I forget (meant to say this earlier), kudos to rainbowtrout for being the only teacher to be honest and point this out. I believe rainbowtrout does not exaggerate his/her extra hours of work.

I'm not exaggerating my hours. I start at 8am. As I said already, that gives me time before the children arrive. You're picking and choosing your quotes now, and to be honest, I think its clear you have an agenda. Theres no point in me trying to argue my point against that.

dame

Trotter wrote: »

I'm not exaggerating my hours. I start at 8am. As I said already, that gives me time before the children arrive. You're picking and choosing your quotes now, and to be honest, I think its clear you have an agenda. Theres no point in me trying to argue my point against that.

Yes, but as has already been agreed (by most people I think?), anyone in the early stages of any career will be expected to put in extra hours. Whether you do your extra bits and pieces before or after the regular day's work is irrelevant and is a personal choice.

Terry

liberty 2007 wrote: »

Looks like you have'nt changed!

Banned.

Ooh. I just noticed that was my 9,666th post.
We definitely need an evil smiley.
I've also just noticed that should he decide to reply to the PM I sent him notifying him of the ban, it will be my 666th PM.

dame

kbannon wrote: »

I don't care about that. My question asked where you are getting all your information regarding teachers which justified starting this thread. Your distinct lack of knowledge about teachers in general prompted me to ask it. Twice you have not answered it.

FFS - now you are posting shíte! How did I rule myself out of the argument? I asked a question twice and you refused to answer it.
How have I shown myself to be unreliable?

I've at least as much (in fact it would appear here that I have more) knowledge of teaching than you have! You claimed that I should be ignored because I did not have personal experience of the classroom (which I do actually, as tenuous as that claim may be). Ergo, you should be ignored because you do not have personal experience of the classroom.

It should be quite clear that my knowledge has come from years of being around teachers (and absorbing information by osmosis) and from the millions of conversations I have had with them. I have actually had conversations with some of the teachers I know in which they have complained about colleagues of theirs taking time off (such as I mentioned in this thread), rather than doing what they want to do during their holidays. Not all teachers do it, but a fair few do.

dame

Rhonda9000 wrote: »

Impartially speaking, I would like to say that dame is winning the argument I think.
<snip>
My hat off to the genuinely hard working decent teachers out there that deliver; it's not a profession I could cope with.

Thank you Rhonda9000!

squishywishy

rainbowtrout wrote: »

Don't bother campaigning for pay for student teachers, it won't work, we tried it when we were in college and the response is basically, 'the college don't have to fund your work placement and the Dept of Ed is already paying a qualified teacher to do those hours so why should they pay you, that would be paying 2 people to do the same hours which is never going to happen'

Thats what i said in the previous post, i was part of the campaiging too