dame wrote: » Your friend must be doing her Dip year then. Teachers usually give up all those hours of prep every evening once they're over that first year. Ask any teacher (who has been qualified a few years) if you can see their lesson plans and they won't have many recent ones (or any at all) to show you.
randylonghorn wrote: » Rubbish, tbh. My mother usually spent 2-3 hours an evening marking homework. She taught 4th, 5th and 6th, and usually had at least 30 pupils between the 3 classes ... one year she had 38.
Trotter wrote: » Every exercise a child writes in my class, in 3 or 4 subjects a day, gets corrected by me.
dame wrote: » No they just sit up at night instead wasting time on baords because they are super-humans who don't need any sleep before going into work the next day. :rolleyes: It must be a very stressful job.
knird evol wrote: » What are teachers correcting every night? Are they running tests every day? Are they reading everyones homework every night? I don't remember any of this from school. What ever happened to random violence and reading from the text book. No wonder the society bubble is about the burst.
dame wrote: » Well, teachers here have said that they cannot correct work during free classes because they are spent supervising classes for other teachers who are absent. Must be a lot of absenteeism among teachers where you folks work! Yes, I agree actually, the DES should be only training people for jobs that actually exist. That's why there are so many PE teachers around the country doing the Hibernia course in order to become Primary teachers instead. That's obviously not what they'd really like to be doing.
dame wrote: » Hi folks, What do you think of the fact that teachers are entitled to a week off for their wedding? I'm not joking, if a teacher gets married during the school year they are entitled to the week off, paid. Is this not taking the piss? Also, I know of a teacher who took a week off to get laser eye treatment. Shouldn't she just have done this during the summer, or the Halloween week off, or waited until the three weeks off at Christmas, or even the Easter holidays??? (Some) Teachers are the laziest people in Ireland! They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever.
aidan_walsh wrote: » Bad teachers?
janeybabe26 wrote: » Fair enough, but again it's not just teachers that take time off to have elective surgery. As for permanency, I'll be qualified to teach 2 core subjects (English and Irish) to Leaving Cert level and I wont be guaranteed a job. It's not 'lucky' for Primary School teachers that they can teach the full curriculum, it's just a fact of the job that they do, a job they chose. I chose to be a Post-Primary teacher, so maybe I shouldn't complain about the lack of jobs. (Or maybe I should complain that the DES are allowing people to train without the possibility of a permanent job.) Either way, it's not fair to call teachers lazy because they decided to get some surgery. What about people who call in sick regularly? What about people who go to work and do a half-assed job because no one is watching. (Not the case in teaching. Teachers are on show all the time, and kids pick up on everything.)
dame wrote: » I grew up among teachers too. I do know what I'm talking about.
randylonghorn wrote: » Her two sisters were teachers, many of my cousins are teachers, many of her friends were teachers ... I grew up among teachers, mostly primary, but at other levels as well (NOT always a good thing, believe me!)
SheroN wrote: » dame what do you do for a living?
randylonghorn wrote: » I'll bet you very few teachers spend half their day on Boards!
dame wrote: » Also, I know of a teacher who took a week off to get laser eye treatment. Shouldn't she just have done this during the summer, or the Halloween week off, or waited until the three weeks off at Christmas, or even the Easter holidays??? (Some) Teachers are the laziest people in Ireland! They seem to have the weakest work ethic and strongest sense of entitlement I have ever come across outside of an umemployed person who has no intention of looking for work, ever.
micmclo wrote: » What I vaguely remember from the strike a few years back was any extra parent or staff meetings had to be on school days and there were disputes about staying late to meet parents. I do remember my own parent teacher meetings were on school time and certainly didn't run past 5pm. Like the nurses dispute, initally they had sympathy and people quickly turned against them. Such as refusing to supervise the yards during breaks?? But as stated lots if not most teachers are excellent and and do help in GAA, quiz teams and school plays when they don't have to
dame wrote: » Agreed, there are people everywhere who take the piss. That is a fact. Two/three weeks is a short time to fit an elective surgery and a holiday into, 3 1/2 or 4 1/2 months on the other hand......
dame wrote: » It's not the holidays that are the bone of contention folks, it's the teacher's sense of entitlement.
dame wrote: » You feel entitled to your holidays and feel sorry for teachers who aren't permanent and have to work in supermarkets or wherever during the summer.
dame wrote: » Avail of the holidays you are given of course, but my point is that teachers should manage to fit a simple thing like an unnecessary elective surgery into those holidays rather than taking more time off during the school year.
dame wrote: » I suppose it's just lucky for them that they are all qualified to teach the full curriculum to all classes, rather than select subjects to particular levels.
dame wrote: » Hi folks, What do you think of the fact that teachers are entitled to a week off for their wedding? I'm not joking, if a teacher gets married during the school year they are entitled to the week off, paid. Is this not taking the piss?
janeybabe26 wrote: » Either way, it's not fair to call teachers lazy because they decided to get some surgery. What about people who call in sick regularly? What about people who go to work and do a half-assed job because no one is watching. (Not the case in teaching. Teachers are on show all the time, and kids pick up on everything.)
janeybabe26 wrote: » What about people who go to work and do a half-assed job because no one is watching. (Not the case in teaching. Teachers are on show all the time, and kids pick up on everything.)
dame wrote: » Avail of the holidays you are given of course, but my point is that teachers should manage to fit a simple thing like an unnecessary elective surgery into those holidays rather than taking more time off during the school year. There are more permanent jobs than temporary jobs in primary teaching. I suppose it's just lucky for them that they are all qualified to teach the full curriculum to all classes, rather than select subjects to particular levels.
dame wrote: » Your mother would be more of the exception rather than the rule.
dame wrote: » She had no time to correct during the day because when one class group was sitting occupied on a task, she needed to be active with one of the other two groups and vice versa.
dame wrote: » I cannot remember ever not having a spelling test or other such work corrected by the end of the same day. Essays etc would be read by the teacher when we were busy working on another subject.
dame wrote: » Your mother would be more of the exception rather than the rule. She had no time to correct during the day because when one class group was sitting occupied on a task, she needed to be active with one of the other two groups and vice versa. I cannot remember ever not having a spelling test or other such work corrected by the end of the same day. Essays etc would be read by the teacher when we were busy working on another subject.
rainbowtrout wrote: » No I don't feel a sense of entitlement to anything, I just get on with my job. But if the Dept of Ed are happy to provide certain working conditions - 3 months summer holidays, I'm not going to feel guilty about availing of them. Those are the terms of my job. There are very few people who get into teaching just for the holidays, and there are plenty leaving for jobs with 'regular' holidays because they don't want to teach undisciplined, selfish, unruly students anymore and entitlements is the last thing on their mind when they are contemplating a career change. Permanancy isn't really an issue there are so few permanent jobs available, most on temporary contracts are just hoping there will be a job available for them the following year and that they won't be left go and someone else hired due to a change in subject requirements or a drop in numbers etc
