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Im thinking of buying one of these for my parents. Can you pick up RTE 1, RTE 2 and TV 3 on these?

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mjsmyth

Hi,

The only way to view RTE 1 &2, TV3 and TG4 on satellite is by use of a Sky Digibox and a subscription.

mj

kkennedy

Trevord wrote:

I've heard from some people that they had problems with the silvercrest receiver and that it stopped working after 12 months or so........

The older Comag SL55 that lidl did a few years back did tent to overheat and the Power supply would blow( is easily repaired with a few components and a soldering iron). Dont know if its the same with the SliverCrest SL65.

watty

Silvercrest don't exist. It is a comag.

Tallspoon

Can anyone tell me if the Lidl satellite system can pick up all the satellite radio stations that I can get on my sky digibox. I want a unit to listen to satellite radio around the house and am not that interested in TV. The kids use the Sky box to watch their programs and I need another unit purely for the radio.

Sparky

Yeah a lot of the radio on Sat is free. The only encrypted ones are the music choice radio channels.

the_galway_fry

is this system in any way compatible with the ART card required to get the ART sattelite?

also general question . is it possible to set a dish in the ground or does it have to be up high?

byte

the_galway_fry wrote:

is this system in any way compatible with the ART card required to get the ART sattelite?

also general question . is it possible to set a dish in the ground or does it have to be up high?

Firstly, the system will not accept any Pay-TV cards. You'll need a box with CI slots to do this.

A dish can be put anywhere, as long as there is nothing in front of it to block signals.

kkennedy

watty wrote:

See
http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/kategorie.php?k=1

I suspect Silvercrest is Lidl own brand name. My Silvercrest TV is a Beko.

SILVERCREST, a new LIDL Quality brand, is ONLINE!

Manuals, Firmware etc for Comag SL65 via Lidl Silvercrest site:
http://www.mysilvercrest.de/en/artikel.php?a=51&av=2

or via the comag website
http://www.comag-ag.de/engl/com-download/receiver/com-dwl-cmg-sl65.html

Tony

Vas_Guy wrote:

As a novice would I be right in saying that the first thing to do is mount the dish in a southern facing direction and use the satellite finder to find the position of the Astra 2D satellite and evaluate the dish to this position?

sounds like a good way to start

Zaphod

netwhizkid wrote:

Anyway much to my chagrin my Meter (Yellow Brick type one) is now going faulty and is giving me "LNB Short, Shutting Down" < anybody know what this means and it is f**ked??

LNB short usually occurs when the outer braid of the coax touches the inner core and creates a short circuit. If you see this error when a coax is attached, then recheck your f-connectors and cable.

If you you are getting the error message even when no cable is attached, then your meter is in trouble.

byte

It's well possible to have the dish aimed at 19E (Astra 1) and 13E (Hotbird) with multi LNB brackets and 2 LNB's. Although a wee bit harder, 28E (Astra 2) can be got also, though I'd question the strength of the Lidl dish's arm to sustain the weight!

If you go the multi-lnb route, you'll also need a DiSEqC switch connected to the LNBs and the receiver will then control the switch, changing the LNB it uses depending on the channel you've selected.

The other alternative is a motorised setup. THis is more difficult to get working properly, and I would recommend you buy a good sturdy dish if you're going the whole hog!

Kristok

byte wrote:

It's well possible to have the dish aimed at 19E (Astra 1) and 13E (Hotbird) with multi LNB brackets and 2 LNB's. Although a wee bit harder, 28E (Astra 2) can be got also, though I'd question the strength of the Lidl dish's arm to sustain the weight!

Do you mean that youd have to have 2 seperate lnb's pointing at a slightly different point on the dish ?

byte

Kristok wrote:

Do you mean that youd have to have 2 seperate lnb's pointing at a slightly different point on the dish ?

Precisely! That's exactly what I mean. See here to see what I mean. That bracket is specifically for Triax dishes, mind, but there are brackets available for various other types and brands of dishes also.

There is also the option of a Monoblock, which is sort of 2 LNB's in one, spaced apart to pick up both Astra 1 and Hotbird, and has an integrated switch. I have never used one however and would personally prefer the 2 seperate LNB's option myself.

watty

The monoblock is not adjustable for different dishs or satellite and not expandible to 3 or 4 Satellites.

Sky 28.E -- Astra 19E -- Hotbirds 13E
From about 2001.

Was upgraded to a better home made bracket with Quad for Sky and Dual for Astra,
Now replaced by 4 x Quattro Triax LNBs on Triax boom and a 16 way multiswitch. (28, 23.5, 19, 13). I have 4 x Alps Quattros to test that may allow 3 degree spacing instead of 5 to 6 minimum.

You can drill a pair of holes 30 degree apart on top edge of dish and run nylon cord guy wires to the end of the LNB arm if the arm is bending

Vmaxer

I have the lidl system set up and pointing at Hotbird, flicking through the stations there doesn't seem to be many English speaking channels...
Would I be better off pointing the dish at 19E I believe that MTV is FTA on 19E or is it only in German.

watty

There is every style of Pop video station on Astra 19E and Hotbirds 13.

Surely you don't really care what language the presenters speak. I think it is an advantange to not understand them. Yes it is MTV Germany.

Vas_Guy

I got mine working and found Astra 28.2 Degree East and i've just one query, I can get all pre programmed station, BBCs, ITVs, etc Film Four, True Movies are not on the list and as they are FTA is it possible to tune it in on the receiver?

watty

You need to either scan Satellite or add transponder. Built in lists never up to date.

Trevord

See Item 7 on this link

http://bytelive.com/wiki/tiki-index.php?page=How+to+align+a+satellite+dish

If its Astra 28.2E you want (bbc/itv/sky news etc) then when facing the dish the bottom of the lnb (where wire connects) should skew to the left. You will have to play around a bit to get the best signal.

beer enigma

Could I pick up Hispasat with the Lidl dish from Cork ?

L1011

Hispasat can be done on a metal dustbin lid in Cork, just do not expect the Americas beam anywhere east of the Azores.

watty

AIM wrote:

What components did you have to replace? My pwr supply has just packed up and I need some details on how to repair. Tnx

See www.satcure.co.uk

If you are not familiar with PSUs, live mains and soldering electronics, it's better to buy a new one. You need to pay at least €50 to get someone professional just to open the case...

conax

MisterAnarchy wrote:

I set one of these up for a neighbour today.
Best i could get for Astra 28.2e was
93% Signal Strength and ~75-80% Signal Quality after tweaking it .
Is that good or should it be higher ?

that looks pretty good.

Our man in Havana

Which is the better system to buy, camping or the fixed one?

wil

Bond-007 wrote:

Which is the better system to buy, camping or the fixed one?

Right I could give you the pedantic answer or a helpful one.
Pedantic answer just to get it out of the way, if you intend using it for camping then obviously the camping kit, if not then the other one.

Basically the differences between the 2 kits AFAIR as follows

Camping

Mains
Receiver SL65/12.................. ........SL65
12volt ........................................mains voltage
Tiny size (paperback novel) ............Standard size
No RGB out ..................................RGB out
No RF out ....................................No RF out (ignore the adverts)
Dish 35*37cm ...............................80cm
various mounts .............................Standard pole mount
carrying case ...............................none
Lidl price 99 (previous Aldi price 80) ..79

Both receivers appear to offer same specs otherwise, similar to most FTA receivers with RF out being the main feature lacking that might be a requirement for some people.
TBH dish size is the only significant factor between them.
I havent seen the current 80cm dish offered but if like previous offerings I am sure it is not the most sturdy, but should work nonetheless. Probably not really suitable for multiple lnbs without some extra diy support.
The small camping dish is small but will work reasonably adequately for Astra28 in places of good signal strength (East Coast etc) but you will have little or no margin for bad weather etc so unless you are considering using it for camping or absolutely have no room to accomadate a larger dish then you should really go for the larger size (and cheaper).

I bought the Aldi camping kit a few months back and despite what some who never seem to have owned them may say I like it. Nice menu, easy to use, intuitive if you ignore the poor manual, very small size, no heat, diseqced to 4 dishes very quick with no noticeable delay between sats. Also seems more sensitive than some receivers, giving a stable picture on a weak signal when they were breaking up, or handling higher SR rates.

My impression is that many people once they get the hang of and hooked by satellite on these cheap no frills systems then look to more accomplished/advanced systems later so in that regard they do appear to make a good introduction to the subject.

To_be_confirmed bring in your receipt and give them a try, Ive found them to be fairly ok in these regards. You could say you were waiting for someone to install it and they found the part was missing and wasnt opened till then.

Well done Jasin, as I said patience, and now look how far youve got, Ill be asking you for tips.:)

Zaphod

Puggy wrote:

1) I seem to be able to pick up more than 1 sattellite at a time, as I mentioned above. If I point to Astra 28 signal I also get Astra 19. Is this because they have channels duplicated on both and I'm not really picking up both at the same time? As I understand it although the Lidl blurb states the LNB is dual, this refers to two outputs rather then two skewed LNB's

The satellite operators often reuse the same transponder frequencies for satellites in different orbital positions. If you overlay the graphic represenations of the transponders of 28E and 19E in the pic below, you can see the two coincide at various frequencies.

http://www.satsig.net/spectrums-europe.htm

For example, on Astra 2D 28E, BBC One is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. On Astra 2C 19E, CC Valencia is available on 10.818, V, 22000, 5/6. The receivers are dumb and if you select the satellite as being 19E, they will assume that your dish is indeed pointed at 19E.

The LNB is dual -> 2 outputs to feed 2 receivers.

wil

Another aspect to be careful about is scanning in channels under the wrong satellite name. If your dish is pointed at Sirius, but you do a scan of Astra2, you could end up with a mash up list of channels from both satellites listed under the one Satellite name. This would get very confusing. You would not be sure what satellite you were pointed at. Of course you would only be able to view those from the satellite you were pointed at, the rest would be blank, but youd have to check frequencies to see what sat your on.
If it happens, it is easier to delete the whole list for that sat, then rescan afresh.

Puggy

Wil

Just came back to the PC and saw your post:o Had mistakenly done exactly what you said to be careful of. Was thinking that I should delete the lists and start again, cause I noticed the list for some satellites getting bigger. Have to admit as its my first attempt at this, I was a little worried about deleting things.

Thanks for the advice though, I delete and start again.

stevecrow74

1. The manual mentions ASTRA 1 19.2E and ASTRA 2 19.2E so presumably the latter is a typo and should be ASTRA 2 28.2E?

looks like a typo alright

2. From reading other material here and elsewhere it looks like it's possible to use a single dish and LNB (and no motorised setup) to receive from both the ASTRA 2 28.2E and Eurobird 1 28.5E - is this correct?

it is possible but you are reducing the signal streangth from both satellites , but it is possible

3.The manual does not list Eurobird 1 as one of the pre-programmed satellites so does this matter in relation to the previous point and, if not, will things just be picked up automatically once the dish is aligned (elevation, azimuth and skew etc.) correctly and some sort of scan process carried out?

Eurobird 1 is at the same angle ass Astra 2, so as long as you have the transponders programmed in you will be able to scan for chanels broadcast on Eurobird 1

4.The manual says that software updates can be done from ASTRA 1 19.2E or via RS232. Does this update the receiver firmware which controls the user interface etc. or something else (e.g. just channel details etc.)? Is it important to do such an update straight off or on a regular basis? If you never point at ASTRA 1 then how do you do it via RS232?

its extremely rare that a satellite will upgrade software for the stb (set top box), but it is worth a try every 6 months or so, and yes it does/is supposed to update firmware, no it isnt important to update firmware(unless you want to customize the stb)

if you want to update firmware(not recomended if you dont know what you are doing) you need a null modem serial cable, a computer with rs232 port, software to transfer and backup firmware/channel list etc and the updated firmare (usually found in the manufacturers website)...

the only reason i have my stb hooked up to the computer is just for ease of programming and sorting channel lists (takes 2 minutes to do on the computer and 1 min to transfer to stb, whereas it takes up to 15 minutes to organise through the stb alone

wil

Sorry to repeat most of the answers as I see Stevec has ably replied, got dragged away in middle of typing but Im sure it wont hurt. The previous question is in there too.

1 - Typo, I think elsewhere it also mentions Astra1 28e

2 - ***simultaneously no, not without addition of extra lnb, diseqc switch and multilnb bracket.
Separately yes, by moving dish.***

***correction - for reason in 3 below, no problem to receive both simultaneously.
I was mistakenly referring to Astra 2 and either Astra1 or Hotbird. Sorry for mistake.

3 - The Astra2s and Eurobird1 are in same approximate position so appear as one satellite.
4 - Firmware updates usually just for the onboard software, maybe to iron out any bugs, update menu etc. Should be done with caution as there it the potential to corrupt your firmware and possibly render your stb unusable. Normally there is little need to do such. On the digibox it does happen automatically fairly regularly but that is mostly to update the epg with channel additions, updates etc. (Digibox has a much more limited scan function so relies on these updates for the epg/channels.)
It may be possible to download the channels list to a pc, edit it then reload back to stb. There may be a channel editor on the silvercrest/comag website. Again use with caution.
You need a null modem 9 pin serial cable for this.

Re deleting channels - I think there are 3 options IIRC - Delete All, Delete Satellite, or Delete channels. Havent tried Delete all, if you delete Sat you have to type back in info to set up again
Your safest bet to avoid losing too much and not being able to figure out how to get it back is to use the last one.
So Menu, TVChannel List, Left/Rightarrow to particular sat, 5 to Edit, then 1 to mark each channel to delete, when all marked, press OK and confirm.
Then rescan as before.