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thebaz

Driving around Dublin today, I noticed many folk wearing t-shirts only instead of coats ! I have'nt had my heating on for a few days , it was 21 degrees Celcius in New York last week , flowers are begining to bud ... its the middle of January ... i think Global warming has arrived early

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petes

No wonder everyone is walking around with a cold/flu.

scojones

Arrived early? When did you expect it to arrive? What is it? Are these my feet?

Global warming is natural.

Nightwish

So natural that the scale of warming is unprecedented in history. The level of warming that has occured over the past 40 or so years, used to take, 100's of years.

scojones

Nightwish wrote:

So natural that the scale of warming is unprecedented in history. The level of warming that has occured over the past 40 or so years, used to take, 100's of years.

Unprecedented in history? Used to take 100's of years? Our population is massive now. This is one of the major causes of global warming - and that is natural. Scientists want us to go hide in caves, while most of the planet's governments do not give a toss about global warming.

Our records don't go back far enough for us to have an accurate overview of exactly what is happening. Who are you to say that the warming we are experiencing is not a normal occurance which happens every 8000 years?

connundrum

Nightwish wrote:

So natural that the scale of warming is unprecedented in history. The level of warming that has occured over the past 40 or so years, used to take, 100's of years.

Or so they want you to think

I wish that weather would just decide what it is though. I like winter to be cold and summer to be warm.. not all this wishy washy business inbetween

thebaz

sjones wrote:

When did you expect it to arrive?
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ideally never

sjones wrote:

What is it? Are these my feet?

Global warming is natural.

are you drunk ?

scojones

thebaz wrote:

ideally never

Never? Are you not aware of what the Ice Age was? Was it a result of the Dinosaurs not burning fossil fuels, and the age we live in now is the exact opposite of their mistake?

connundrum wrote:

Or so they want you to think

I wish that weather would just decide what it is though. I like winter to be cold and summer to be warm.. not all this wishy washy business inbetween

I firmly believe that our summer (in Ireland) is now August and September.

So are we going to have a nice warm summer?

nobodythere

sjones wrote:

Unprecedented in history? Used to take 100's of years? Our population is massive now. This is one of the major causes of global warming - and that is natural. Scientists want us to go hide in caves, while most of the planet's governments do not give a toss about global warming.

Our records don't go back far enough for us to have an accurate overview of exactly what is happening. Who are you to say that the warming we are experiencing is not a normal occurance which happens every 8000 years?

Not exactly natural, the explosion of population came with the discovery of oil. A finite resource. As finite as the glitch in population.

Endurance Man

It only took a drop of 5-8 degrees to trigger the last ice age

, what happens when we raise the temp by 5-8 degrees?

fits

sjones wrote:

Scientists want us to go hide in caves, while most of the planet's governments do not give a toss about global warming.

Our records don't go back far enough for us to have an accurate overview of exactly what is happening. Who are you to say that the warming we are experiencing is not a normal occurance which happens every 8000 years?

We have records, bore holes in polar ice give a pretty good record of our weather over the last few hundred thousand years, and yes it has always fluctuated. The current changes are definitely anthropogenically linked, 99% of the worlds scientists accept this.

Scientists dont want us to go hiding in caves, what are you like? Preparing for some of the possible impacts could be good though.

Pherekydes

grasshopa wrote:

Not exactly natural, the explosion of population came with the discovery of oil. A finite resource. As finite as the glitch in population.

Yes, natural. Populations grow. Exponentially. That's what they do. It's unnatural things that cause glitches in population growth.

Pappa-eat-peach

Endurance Man wrote:

It only took a drop of 5-8 degrees to trigger the last ice age , what happens when we raise the temp by 5-8 degrees?

It may in fact cause....another ice age.:) For instance, the melting of the Greenland ice-sheet is pumping many cubic kilometres of fresh water into the path, or adjacint to the path, of the rather saline Gulf stream. Which may, according to one theory, set the stream moving south, away from temperate Europe. Which in turn may become cooler each winter, giving rise to heavier snowfalls in higher latitudes/altitudes resulting glaciers (often quite self-propogating species of crystal which reflects sunlight away from the earth). Cooling by glaciers would then result in water condensing as snow on or near them, further expanding their mass, which in turns cools a greater amount of air...and so on.

It might be said that there could be certain self interest groups who could be propogating the idea of global warming nightmares (namely Western nations trying to hamper industrial progress in the third world/India/China by controlling emissions?). There may be other "clean fuel" advocates waiting in the sidelines trying to make their big bucks from global warming rackett?

Perhaps...:)

jimmycrackcorm

thebaz wrote:

Driving around Dublin today, I noticed many folk wearing t-shirts only instead of coats !

I regularly wear T-shirts in winter round Dublin. But then I'm from Donegal and when your next door neighbour up is Iceland, it's a good deal warmer down here.

moodyblue

thebaz wrote:

it was 21 degrees Celcius in New York last week

It ain't even close to that here anymore - wish I could go back to early balmy January

ChRoMe

In regards people saying that the human race is responsible for global warming I can only come to one response.

So what!!

The earth has been around for millions of years and has many spieces made extinct. Why would the human race be any different.

Also I think its a bit big headed of the human race to believe that we are capable of destroying the planet. The earth is capable of shaking off the human race like its a dose of the flu.

Edited: To change the question marks to exclamation marks. I wasnt asking a question

whiskeyman

ChRoMe wrote:

In regards people saying that the human race is responsible for global warming I can only come to one response.

So what??

The earth has been around for millions of years and has many spieces made extinct. Why would the human race be any different.

You actually answer your own question with the below, as it's not that big headed at all.

ChRoMe wrote:

Also I think its a bit big headed of the human race to believe that we are capable of destroying the planet. .

ChRoMe wrote:

The earth is capable of shaking off the human race like its a dose of the flu.

It sure is, but it looks very likely that we won't need any help destroying it ourselves.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6270871.stm

ChRoMe

whiskeyman wrote:

It sure is, but it looks very likely that we won't need any help destroying it ourselves.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/6270871.stm

I might be being a bit thick (its late and I've had a couple of beers)

But I dont understand what your saying here.

biko

sjones wrote:

Global warming is natural.

And there you have it - sjones is GWB!
Just ratify the damn Kyoto Protocol, before it's too late for all of us.

America, the single greatest threat to the planet!
edit/or maybe China.

connundrum

I really really hate when we all appear to give out about something, but then do fook all to stop it.

Or sorry wait, I recycled my milk carton yesterday, that'll add 10 minutes to our life span.

Seriously, why are we still allowing motor sport? Millions of tonnes of fumes being released into the atmosphere for fun. Stop that and then I'll know that maybe we're thinking a bit.

We buy the right to produce more waste than other countries in the EU. How stupid is that?? I'd vote for the party who'd give me a tiny percentage of that same money as a grant to update my heating system to be energy efficiant.

It gets me going when people scream like spoilt children when a suggestion of wind farms is made. It wouldn't even put them out of their comfort zone to allow these farms to exist, but no.. again and again.

Wake me up when we decide to get serious about this apparent global warming, otherwise stop whining about it.

whiskeyman

ChRoMe wrote:

I might be being a bit thick (its late and I've had a couple of beers)

But I dont understand what your saying here.

drinking on a school night?? damn I'm jealous!!!

Anyway, I just mean that us humans are (I'd imagine) the first species in the Earths history that will probably bring about their own extinction, even though we have the ability to prevent it. I agree that many species come and go, but I doubt this is due to their own impact on the Earth.

The 'doomsday clock' is an indicator of this.

Maybe we'll just hope some massive meteorite comes and blasts us out of it so we can blame that

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biko wrote:

And there you have it - sjones is GWB!

GWB? Global Warming Bush?

Celticfire

Nightwish wrote:

So natural that the scale of warming is unprecedented in history. The level of warming that has occured over the past 40 or so years, used to take, 100's of years.

Just how accurate do you think temperature record keeping was at the beginning of the century? Also have you heard of the urban heat island effect?
A lot of monitoring stations that have shown an increase in temp are in cities that have shown huge increases in population in the last half century.

As Junkyard posted elsewhere.........

Junkyard wrote:

I think the root of the problem with global warming is the fact the the so called "experts" are tweaking their figures and basing their figures on wrong information to start with. There was a warm period from AD 950 to 1450 approx. and this has been omitted from the research the UN would have us believe. This warm period was warmer than the warmer period by up to 3 degrees C. From the year 1000, ships were recorded as having sailed in parts of the Arctic where there is a permanent ice-pack now. In 1421, a Chinese Imperial Navy squadron sailed right round the Arctic and found no ice anywhere. It is possible that at that time there was less of an icecap at the North Pole than there is now, particularly in summer and the polar bears survived. Even though there has been a lot of talk about the supposed threat posed by the warmer Arctic, the polar bears are thriving in the current warm period. 11 of the 13 principle known families are prospering as never before.
Greenland was actually green at one time, Eric the red named Greenland "Greenland" to encourage Danish settlers, because in his time south-western Greenland was in fact green, no ice whatsoever. Until 1425 it was extensively cultivated when farms were suddenly overrun by permafrost. The Viking agricultural settlements are still under permafrost to this day, a very good indicator that the middle ages were warmer than the present, and that there is little cause for alarm at the current melting of Greenland glaciers because they are very likely to have melted to more than their present extent during the medieval warm period. This medieval warm period was followed by a 300 year little ice age until 1750. At the start of this period the mean temperatures dropped by 1.5 degrees C in 100 years. The coldest period was from 1550 to 1700. Frost fairs were held on the River Thames in London. Not only is this warm period not shown up on the UN's graph of temperature over the past 1000 years, the little ice age is also missing. From 1750, temperatures rose and held steady until the late Victorian era. These temperature fluctuations were not caused by humankind's activities. The 1996 report included a graph illustrating them. By the time of the 2001 report, the UN had eradicated the medieval warm period.The UN's 2001 graph, also know as the "hockey stick" showed that the erasure of the medieval warm period in the 2001 graph had been caused by inappropriate data selection and the incorrect use of statistical methods.
The big problem with science is that they are generally funded by governments, and this is world-wide by the way. Its generally agreed that the fundamental equation of State-subsidised science is "No problem equals no funding" The UN's documents occasionally acknowledge the British government's funding. The fact that the central graph of the UN's 2001 report was defective has not had anything like as much attention from the media as the stories of impending disaster which politicians and the UN itself have derived from it.
An independent report by statisticians, probably the most devastating scientific criticism yet leveled at the UN on climate change, concluded not only that the UN's 2001 temperature reconstruction had used inappropriate statistical methods and data but also that many of the supporting scientific papers, both before and after the 2001 report, had been written by a small and closely connected group of palaeoclimatologists who effectively dominated their field worldwide and were all intimately linked to the principle author of the UN's 2001 graph.
The temperatures we're experiencing at the moment are not exceptional and that the medieval warm period was at least as warm as the present and probably up to 3 degrees C warmer.
There's some further info at www.co2science.org and http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap.../warm-refs.pdf.

ScumLord

I don't think we'll wipe ourselves out, we are great survivers, we're on every continent (hot or cold) and we've already done the ice age thing all that will happen is we'll loose the ideal eutopian enviorment that we have now and billions will die. Not the end of the world.

There's probably damn all we can do about it now the damage is done.

Terry

Endurance Man wrote:

It only took a drop of 5-8 degrees to trigger the last ice age , what happens when we raise the temp by 5-8 degrees?

Steam age?
That or a Kevin Costner movie.

Blue_Lagoon wrote:

GWB? Global Warming Bush?

Add that to the story of the burning bush in the bible and you get...

nothing really.
where are the conspiracy theorists when you need them?

Speaking of the bible, one theory about Jesus walking on water suggests that the dead sea was prone to freezing over 2,000 years ago and that Jesus was just walking on ice. I think that's where the BBC got the idea for that great TV show.

ScumLord

Lol, And lo and behold Jesus did walk across water but had to cut it short as the bethlehem giants hockey team had booked the water for the next hour. I wonder how many more of his where like that. Did he turn water into wine? Well he watered the vineyard so "technically".

User45701

I thought i understood global warming but i am confused now because there are so many conflicting reports i don't know these scientists personly so i cant make an informed decision

One of these is a report that is being published in two days (1st FEB)

http://environment.guardian.co.uk/climatechange/story/0,,1959556,00.html

http://www.heartland.org/Article.cfm?artId=20505

humanji

ChRoMe wrote:

Also I think its a bit big headed of the human race to believe that we are capable of destroying the planet. The earth is capable of shaking off the human race like its a dose of the flu.

Sounds like a challenge to me!

ScumLord

that heartland site looks very biased towards the American view that global warming isn't happening and we can continue poluting.

Celticfire

ScumLord wrote:

that heartland site looks very biased towards the American view that global warming isn't happening and we can continue poluting.

I guess China will be happy with that....