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John Deasy TD in the news...

Trotter

From RTE.ie http://www.rte.ie/news/2007/0103/finegael.html

FG deputy warns Kenny to win next election

03 January 2007 23:10

The Waterford Fine Gael deputy John Deasy has said it would a total failure for his party if it was not returned to power at the next General Election.

Deputy Deasy also said a challenge to the party leader Enda Kenny in such circumstances would be reasonable and was something he would consider himself.

Deputy Deasy said Fine Gael was fully behind its leader for the election.

Oh John, thou art up for a row aren't ya. It was never a secret that the leadership of FG didnt see eye to eye with our FG TD John Deasy but this certainly means that if FG do get into government, they'll be sure to tighten the purse strings in this constituency anyway. There'll be few that will be prepared to help him fight his corner.

Does this set Deasy out as a lone ranger in FG? If so, aren't his hands tied?, making him well.. not so useful to us that elected him?

How can he represent Waterford if he's rubbing EVERYONE in the Dáil up the wrong way.. and not even by screaming for the things Waterford needs! The only time I've heard him in the news was for A) Smoking in the Dáil bar :rolleyes: and

Telling the possible future Taoiseach that he's looking for his job. :mad:

Am I missing something here or are all the noises John Deasy makes based on his own ego? Initially I thought he'd make a good TD. Now Im not so sure.

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Sully

Trotter wrote:

How can he represent Waterford if he's rubbing EVERYONE in the Dáil up the wrong way.. and not even by screaming for the things Waterford needs! The only time I've heard him in the news was for A) Smoking in the Dáil bar :rolleyes: and Telling the possible future Taoiseach that he's looking for his job. :mad:

Thats a very good point. To be honest, I think its time he took the independent route. He seems to cause more harm then good!

Trotter

Sully04 wrote:

Thats a very good point. To be honest, I think its time he took the independent route. He seems to cause more harm then good!

We have the independent we need in Mary Roche. Her recent stuff in the papers are a breath of fresh air. With no party whip to keep her quiet, she'd be exactly what this constituency needs. John Deasy on the other hand isnt thinking about the University we desperately need, he's thinking about his leadership challenge.. Give me a bucket.

Bards

How many times have we heard him copmplain that Waterford City is getting all the jobs to the detriment of Dungarvan... Not that we are getting all the jobs compared to Cork, Dublin, Limerick or Galway... why oh why will he not compare Waterford with Cork instead of this East V West Waterford Divide.

In my opinion he is a muppet and should not be eletced next time around

merlante

Naturally comes across very well, speaks his mind, and looks the part. But he's not the full political shilling. He rubs everyone up the wrong way, leaps before looking, underestimates opponents, plays too much to the (very) local gallery, continually makes a fool of himself, has an ego that doesn't match his capabilities, and so on.

He showed a lot of potential, but he has so many flaws he won't realistically make an impact. And in fact aside from pissing off the party leader, getting kicked off the FG front bench, being censured for smoking in the Dail bar, making a fool of himself going up against McDowell, and marrying a good looking TV presenter, he hasn't been heard of.

Avns1s

IMHO John Deasy is the biggest disappointment possible within any political party. All parties need young blood which should be opinionated and strong but in the right way. John doesn't know his place. Nor is his mouth connected to anything of substance. His role right now, should be to work as part of a team, keep his head down, support his colleagues and particularly their leader. This is the kind of tripe that FG doesn't need right now.

If I was from Waterford, I would be worried that because of his persistent ill thought through interventions, he will be persistently sidelined in any government that will have FG involved, never mind Enda Kenny as Taoiseach.

TBH He doesn't deserve to keep his seat if this is the representation he is going to give the people of Waterford. He'd be far better trying to do something for his area rather than nailing his own aspirations to the mast. I for one, would not support FG if he were leader. I suspect i wouldn't be alone in this view.

merlante

He has destroyed all his prospects for a seat in the cabinet for the foreseeable future. And those prospects were quite good too: he did a few years as an aide to a republican senator, which should have sharpened him up no end. When he got elected after coming back to Ireland, rumour had it that McDowell had tried to co-opt him into the PDs. Now look at him.

In an alternative coalition either Liam Twomey, FG spokesman on Health, or Brendan Howlin, Labour spokesman on Justice, would beat him to the cabinet. Then again, nobody else aside from Cullen would have a hope of getting into the cabinet.

mike65

He's kinda right but wrong to use his thoughts to make a splash - it worked though, I'd forgotten he existed.

Mike.

fricatus

He has one quality that I think nobody can deny: he's fearless - although maybe that's because he is also foolish and egotistical.

Why the hell though hasn't he been fearlessly speaking out on behalf of Waterford? I've heard nothing from him on the number one issue of the past 30 years, the lack of a university in the south-east.

Why isn't he badgering the government on this issue and turning the screw on Enda Kenny to get some sort of pre-election commitment on the matter?

Apologies to FG and Deasy if he has been speaking out, but I must say I've seen no evidence of it, and I do follow the Waterford element of national politics quite closely.

I've also taken a look at the FG website and there is little mention of Waterford there. Search for "university" and "Waterford" or "south east" on the site and no results are returned.

Says it all...

merlante

Agreed. He's only interested in his own vote and profile, and justice seems to be his hobby horse to achieve both. Nothing of any substance about the university.

Trotter

merlante wrote:

Agreed. He's only interested in his own vote and profile, and justice seems to be his hobby horse to achieve both. Nothing of any substance about the university.

And yet.. he will be returned! Why? Because his name is Deasy.. and thats enough.

Voters in this constituency drive me MAD. Brian O'Shea will also be returned, although narrowly..mainly because of a few write ups in the local papers prior to the election..

Marty is a cert to retain his seat too because he's a minister.. and that leaves the last one to be given to Ollie Wilkinson becase he builds things all over County Waterford.

UNLESS... We wake up. Otherwise its more years of neglect. For God's sake lets get at least one fresh face in there to make some noise about Waterford!!

merlante

Trotter wrote:

And yet.. he will be returned! Why? Because his name is Deasy.. and thats enough.

Voters in this constituency drive me MAD. Brian O'Shea will also be returned, although narrowly..mainly because of a few write ups in the local papers prior to the election..

Marty is a cert to retain his seat too because he's a minister.. and that leaves the last one to be given to Ollie Wilkinson becase he builds things all over County Waterford.

UNLESS... We wake up. Otherwise its more years of neglect. For God's sake lets get at least one fresh face in there to make some noise about Waterford!!

Basically, it's the east/urban west/rural split that will work against us. In the west people will want to vote for western politicians who are more likely to be from civil war parties, hence Wilkinson and Deasy. In the city stranger things can happen, but it's effectively a 2 seater. Cullen will take one of those. That leaves one. However I think this last seat could go to one of a few places: O'Shea will weaken considerably and Halligan and Cullinane, if they poll well, could push one or the other through on transfers. Hard to call in the current climate.

Other less likely things are Kennealy, if he's running, pipping Wilkinson, since apparently he has support in the county as well. Mary Roche could pull off a coup by appealing to a very broad cross section of people and getting transfers from all directions. Unlikely, but not beyond the realms of possibility. If she got in, she would probably do so at the expense of the O'Shea/Socialist seat while taking a little bit off everyone in the process.

If a certain green party candidate gets in, I will have one more drink in Downses, and then I'll leave the city forever...

road_high

Does nobody think he may have a point though? I mean Kenny is a pretty anonomyous politician- FG could do with somebody with a bit of spark or charisma which Deasy seems to have to offer as a potential future taoiseach.
I don't know much about Deasy what he does/ performs locally as a TD though. Unfortunately for him though if FG got into govt at the next election he may have blown any chance of getting a ministerial post. He seems to live by the motto 'any publicity is good publicity'...

mike65

His dad did the same thing raging against Garret, who rewarded his cheek with the Ag job.

Mike.

Bards

mfitzy wrote:

Does nobody think he may have a point though? I mean Kenny is a pretty anonomyous politician- FG could do with somebody with a bit of spark or charisma which Deasy seems to have to offer as a potential future taoiseach.
I don't know much about Deasy what he does/ performs locally as a TD though. Unfortunately for him though if FG got into govt at the next election he may have blown any chance of getting a ministerial post. He seems to live by the motto 'any publicity is good publicity'...

maybe he's relying on Kenny believing the old saying "Keep your friends close, but your enemies even closer":D

deisemum

I have to say this for Deasy, on a local level when other politicians fobbed off an ongoing problem that my family were experiencing with our school and Dept of Ed. Deasy dealt with it like a rottweiller with a bone and took action on the same day.

He got responses within 4 days and we got a result.

God spare us Kenneally.

Our man in Havana

Also God spare us a certain Galway outcast green policitian.

fricatus

merlante wrote:

If a certain green party candidate gets in, I will have one more drink in Downses, and then I'll leave the city forever...

I don't think you need worry about that... he has a very loyal and loud support base, but the numbers just aren't there.

There was a piece in the Tribune last Sunday that said that the general election is basically made up of 43 local ones. It went through an analysis of all 43 and the comments on Waterford said basically "this is going to be a dull one" and "conclusion: 2FF, 1FG, 1Lab".

For that reason, I'd love to see Mary Roche elected. I confess that I know very little about her, but firstly she was on that Tonight programme on RTE radio where they discussed the boundary extension plan and she sounded very good. Secondly, on her website she describes her election, if it were to happen, as delivering "enormous leverage for Waterford".

This is the key thing in how we should be thinking: who will be best for Waterford? Two people come to mind: any Independent (Mary Roche being the strongest), because they could hold the balance of power, and Martin Cullen, because he may or may not be a minister in the next cabinet, but he's certainly the only Waterford horse in that particular race.

Someone the other day said to me "Martin Cullen's a c**t!", and I said "yeah, but he's our c**t".

merlante

deisemum wrote:

I have to say this for Deasy, on a local level when other politicians fobbed off an ongoing problem that my family were experiencing with our school and Dept of Ed. Deasy dealt with it like a rottweiller with a bone and took action on the same day.

He got responses within 4 days and we got a result.

God spare us Kenneally.

Fair enough, that is something.

His podcast interview on DeiseAM is available on the WLR website. Very interesting listening. The stuff he comes out with unbelievable. He is like a politician from another time when people didn't seize on your every word and beat you over the head with it.

He's either a genius or a fool. I'd say fool myself though...

Don't think Waterford is going to be as boring as they say. O'Shea's seat is far from assured I reckon. Mary Roche could inspire people. It is a lot less clear than the last few elections anyway.

Please God let us become a marginal constituency: the only ones that are ever truly catered for.

deisemum

Out of the lot of them I think Mary Roche is the one with the most cop on and is a breath of fresh air.

merlante

deisemum wrote:

Out of the lot of them I think Mary Roche is the one with the most cop on and is a breath of fresh air.

You could be raised by apes in an opium den and still have more cop on and be more a breath of fresh air than most of them...

I'd love to see her get in though. In fact I reckon we need to upset the apple cart of Waterford being this supposedly safe constituency.

mad man

I think Deasy has finally lost the plot to ne honest.I remeber around the time of the last election Royston Brady for FF and John Deasy for FG were being held up as the young dynamic new blood of their parties.Royston Brady in particular was proclaimed to be a lot like Bertie in his younger days.A shrewd political mind behind the "ordinary joe" facade.It reminded me of the movie Carlito's way where it was said Benny Blanco was like Carlito Brigante in his younger days:D

Anyway Royston Brady made a goofball out of himself during the European elections and Deasy inspired much more confidence until the debacle over the smoking ban in the Dáil Bar.I think he resents Enda Kenny over this and instead of working to get back in his favour is looking for revenge.

Kenny has recently stated that if FG win the election then the mimimum requirement for a cabinet seat will be the delivery of two seats for FG.If this is true then Deasy was going nowhere anyway.So I think he has royally ****ed himself.

I don't think it would be any great loss to Waterford City anyway.The recent comments he has made about the IDA are more reminiscent of Phil Hogan.Instead of looking at regional inequality he is talking up false inequalities between the city and county.

I think Cullen is the best bet for Waterford.I also think most people know that.I think if he can repeat what he did in 2002 and FF win the election then he has a good chance of retaining his cabinet seat.Although unfortunately this will depend on Wilkinson being elected as well.I don't think much of Wilkinson as a politician.Unfortunately himself or Keneally will have to be there to make up the numbers.

I would have a lot of time for Mary Roche.She says it how it is.I think it would be good if she took O'Sheas seat.She would be an independent voice and independents might be needed to make up the numbers for FF.The only reason I would like her to take O'Sheas seat is because he won't be in a position to do much for the city.If Labour are in the next coalition then Brendan Howlin will represent the South East and that will mean **** all for Waterford.Likewise if there is a Rainbow then Phil Hogan and Howlin will be the voices of the Soth East.If that is the case then expect nothing...

My preference two FFs and Mary Roche as an Independent.

merlante

mad man wrote:

I think Deasy has finally lost the plot to ne honest.I remeber around the time of the last election Royston Brady for FF and John Deasy for FG were being held up as the young dynamic new blood of their parties.Royston Brady in particular was proclaimed to be a lot like Bertie in his younger days.A shrewd political mind behind the "ordinary joe" facade.It reminded me of the movie Carlito's way where it was said Benny Blanco was like Carlito Brigante in his younger days:D

Anyway Royston Brady made a goofball out of himself during the European elections and Deasy inspired much more confidence until the debacle over the smoking ban in the Dáil Bar.I think he resents Enda Kenny over this and instead of working to get back in his favour is looking for revenge.

Kenny has recently stated that if FG win the election then the mimimum requirement for a cabinet seat will be the delivery of two seats for FG.If this is true then Deasy was going nowhere anyway.So I think he has royally ****ed himself.

I don't think it would be any great loss to Waterford City anyway.The recent comments he has made about the IDA are more reminiscent of Phil Hogan.Instead of looking at regional inequality he is talking up false inequalities between the city and county.

I think Cullen is the best bet for Waterford.I also think most people know that.I think if he can repeat what he did in 2002 and FF win the election then he has a good chance of retaining his cabinet seat.Although unfortunately this will depend on Wilkinson being elected as well.I don't think much of Wilkinson as a politician.Unfortunately himself or Keneally will have to be there to make up the numbers.

I would have a lot of time for Mary Roche.She says it how it is.I think it would be good if she took O'Sheas seat.She would be an independent voice and independents might be needed to make up the numbers for FF.The only reason I would like her to take O'Sheas seat is because he won't be in a position to do much for the city.If Labour are in the next coalition then Brendan Howlin will represent the South East and that will mean **** all for Waterford.Likewise if there is a Rainbow then Phil Hogan and Howlin will be the voices of the Soth East.If that is the case then expect nothing...

My preference two FFs and Mary Roche as an Independent.

Don't forget Dr. Twomey, the recently co-opted FG spokesman for Health in Wexford, he'll also have pipped Deasy at this stage.

I wonder would it really be that bleak if we had two ministers from the south east but none of them were from Waterford? No doubt they'd try to rectify the 'fact' that everything goes to Waterford, despite the incredible levels of investment flowing into other regions at all times...

Junior

Anyone listening to the Sunday Supplement on Today FM, Deasy has just been slated left right and centre !

deisemum

Yep, he's certainly been slated.

Junior

You'd think Paudie Coffey would try and make hay while sunshines ? At least try and align himself with the party rather than slate Deasy ?

mad man

merlante wrote:

Don't forget Dr. Twomey, the recently co-opted FG spokesman for Health in Wexford, he'll also have pipped Deasy at this stage.

I wonder would it really be that bleak if we had two ministers from the south east but none of them were from Waterford? No doubt they'd try to rectify the 'fact' that everything goes to Waterford, despite the incredible levels of investment flowing into other regions at all times...

I think it would be that bleak.It was that bleak last time around.

fricatus

mad man wrote:

I think it would be that bleak.It was that bleak last time around.

And there are people here who say that we should kick Cullen out of office? Gaaahhh... madness! I don't like him either, but look at how badly Waterford would be served by any alternative government!

merlante

fricatus wrote:

And there are people here who say that we should kick Cullen out of office? Gaaahhh... madness! I don't like him either, but look at how badly Waterford would be served by any alternative government!

Whatever we think about him, there would be no airport right now without him, and we will come to rely on that more in the years to come. The motorway definitely would have been shot down. We'd have been down a bypass or a viking site or both. The outer ring road would have been funded by the city council, and would have taken longer to build, and would have been single lane ala the first section linking the Dunmore Rd.

Oh yeah, and we'd have a really ugly tax building.

mad man

The thing is people have to realise in Waterford is that you cannot vote for parties like they are a football team.Like it or not our best chances are with Cullen.It doesn't matter who is in Government,It is guaranteed Cork,Dublin and Galway will be well represented.Limerick is in a similar position to Waterford although not as bad.If I am not mistaken Cork Dublin and Galway are the three biggest counties population wise.It is also not a co-incidence that Limerick has a boundary issue similar to Waterford.

What we in Waterford should be aspiring to do is to become an important constituency politically.This may mean persuading those in SKK and Soth West Wexford to throw their lot in politically with Waterford City.A difficult but not impossible task.

Van

What exactly is Mary Roche saying that hasn't been said by others. We have seen the influence of Independents in this Dail - Nil