BigCityBanker wrote: Lads this is a high quality thread - dont spoil it.
LuckyLloyd wrote: Willie, we all have differing opinions which is good. I happen to disagree with you on this one. There is context: Darragh's opponent in this hand is a very aggressive player who is unafraid to get his chips in. The previous player out of the tourney had been eliminated by the villian when they got it in pre - flop 88 vs AK. The villian hit the flop to outrace the pocket pair. There is also the fact that 1,500 wasn't making a difference to any of the participant's lives. In reality, everyone who was left in the tourney at that stage should have been thinking about the final table - and shooting for the big money. Darragh was clearly playing to win. So, Darragh riases with 77 and is stuck in by his opponent. If Darragh is certain that his opponent has two overcards then he is marginally ahead. Considering the fact that the pot already contains his initial raise, plus the call of that raise, plus the blinds - then he is getting a price that is better than 1 / 1. He has a mathamatical edge and is getting value in the pot. If he stands up (which he will do more than half the time versus AQo), he then has a big stack and can confidently come back the next day with a better opportunity to use his edge shorthanded before the final table. He would be looking at a good chance of hitting the final table in the top three in chips and going for the outright win. As such, it is a brave and correct call. Most players won't have the guts to make it - that's why it is impressive.
ianmc38 wrote: Your comparison of two totally unrelated stories to somehow debase the quality of HJs call is absurd. They are both indiviudal events that have no direct correlation. In your hand the guy made a bad read. In Daraghs case he made an excellent read.
Solksjaer wrote: Agree to differ on that one so. Guy made similar call on me in a mickey mouse tourny. I just didn't realise then what a classy call it was. At least now I know. He left the building
ianmc38 wrote: I think the exact opposite. It's a great call that was made instantly knowing he was ahead. To make that play on the bubble where so many people tighten up like molluscs is something that'll only be done by great players.
rounders123 wrote: I didnt see the hand even though i was there at the other table. I was too self righteous to go over so stayed in my own seat. I told the salavating LuckyLloyd to report back what happened. If you saw the suit he was wearing you would have been more impressed. And the Andy Dufrain walk as he made his exit was particularly classy i thought. Its the whole picture you see.
Solksjaer wrote: Well from reading the boards (a short time) HJ is obviously a very very good player. BUT, I simply think callin a ALL IN with 77s is not exactly that 'classy' a play. (So I don't agree with the other lads here). If you put a players range up to a pair of 10s then by your own reckoning you could well be behind. Personally I think to call here is a very risky play regardless of who you are. You are more than likely up agianst another pair or a race against two overs. I don't think I would ever call in this PARTICULAR situation and I do like to gamble. I suppose until I understand this I won't ever make it to the standard of very good player. I guess not all of us. (guess I won't turn pro so) From this I ask the man himself. If this was the WSOP and the exact same situation arose, would you call with 77 agianst an ALL IN when the VERY lucrative bubble was at hand. I think the bullying can be answered in other hands. I just don't see it as a 'classy' play/call.
Solksjaer wrote: I just don't see it as a 'classy' play/call.
goodluck2me wrote: im gald you see where i am coming from as you answered exactly the question i was asking. i wasnt sure from a personal poitn of view if i would have had the balls to call that and ollieboy was standing beside me and said you would never fold if you thought you were ahead no matter how much that was. good to hear it from the horses mouth to speak and you re-iterate what he said. its one of the best qualities in a top class player able to make tight calls in tough situations, it where the difference in class is imo. once you know you are ahead you simply wont fold the best hand. i also thought that your reasoninf for it may have had something to do with you playing for first rather thank limping which you outlined too. hl and thanks for the reply.
Hectorjelly wrote: Ok sorry, flew off the handle there a bit! I was 100% sure I had the best hand. I raise in the cutoff with 77 to 18k. Folded to the button who is an aggressive and not superb player. He looks at his cards and immmediately announces all in. Now I know from watching him he doesnt not have a monster. He pushed all in immediately, which is not what someone does when they get AA or anything decent at all. If he had AA KK QQ JJ he would want to get some value from the hand, the way he played it it was clear to me he wanted me to fold. I put him on a range of any pair up to TT, alot of aces. I dont even think his hand is as good as AK. Now it was 130k or so for me to call, and If I thought there was any chance I was dominated I wouldnt of called. I wasnt getting that good a price, so im only calling if I pretty sure im ahead. In fact because its the bubble its probably a slightly bad EV call, but part of my strategy for tournaments is to never fold in a spot where I think im a favourite. Im never going to let myself be bullied or pushed off a hand. Also I think given the circumstances if I win that pot I can do a hell of a lot with those chips. As a short/medium stack I cant really put that much pressure on my opponents. If I win that pot I think I go second in chips!
Flipper wrote: Do you prefer 6-max or full 9/10 handed tables? Why? How many tables do you play at once? Who is the best player(s) you've ever played with live? Do you think collusion is much of a problem online?
lafortezza wrote: 1000BB headsup HE match, blinds do not increase. You play against fuzzbox, PillowTalk, Dathio, Roundtower. Which of these matches do you win/lose and why?
LuckyLloyd wrote: Darragh, I think you made a wonderful call in this hand and it was, IMO, the call of a player that was purely interested in winning the tournament. And I think you might have done if you had held up. However, I really disagree with the above comment for I cannot think of many Irish players who are better than him from what I have seen. That said, we might simply not agree - and so what...:)
