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Is the sight of a smoker offensive, Bad people ?

delop

I know there is another tread going but.....

Something that happened the other day that shocked me...

Was having a smoke with a mate outside the back door of work one morning, Its a designated area for it.

Wind blowing a hooley, about to Rain..

another employee gets out of her car and approaches the Door ( We are about 1.5m from it.

and said 'Lads do ye have so stand so close to the door when youre smoking'
I said Ya we do..
She replied ' Well its not very nice for us non smokers'

Now I dont think Passive smoking could be an issue here with the wind... If im offended by something i stay away from it.

Or is it just a case of, If you give someone a stick they are going to beat something with it...

What do people think?

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SumGuy wrote:

And if you did, the other person probably wouldn't say anything to your face.
People seem to find it very easy to give out to smokers for some reason.

How can you not even see how it's annoying to smokers? You walk out of the door because you've been outcast from the building. It is selfish, TBH to moan further when we are outside, just because you don't want to smell, for one second, the horror of smoke. It's your problem if you don't like smoke, not everyone else's who is just trying to enjoy something they legally can.
People have every right to smoke, IMO, while they are being forced to listen to your whinging. I have no jacket and get a runny nose for about a week if i have to stand outside in the rain, why should I put up with that when you could move five feet away from me and not get your face in the way of my smoke?
Stop whining, you got us out of buildings now you want a restraining order put on us? Learn to compromise

'Morning, lads'
'Morning, lady'

And lo, all is well.

On a side note, I heard a funny smoking story. (not sure if it's true)
Apparently Michael Jordan was at the most recent Ryder Cup smoking a cigar, a security person or something came up to him and said he had to put it out, to which he replied, 'Nah it's alright I'll just pay the fine'.

Well said SumGuy.

Dragan

thb.....

Dragan wrote:

thb.....

Whos that directed at?

Sinfonia

If 80% of the population smoked, we wouldn't kick the rest of you outside!

or else we could introduce the 'Whinging Ban':)

Dragan

rb_ie wrote:

Whos that directed at?

Pretty much everyone?

It was a relatively arbitrary decision on my behalf that

a) "anti smokers" need to settle down about things. Smokers just like smoking. But i'm sure having a moan about it on boards will change the world.

b) Smokers need to realise that there will always be anti-smokers and stop getting stressed over said fact?

As already stated, can't we all just get along?

leeroybrown

It's funny. A few years ago I didn't give a crap about where someone smoked as long as I didn't have to sit in a giant cloud of it. These days I my opinion drifts more and more towards banning the things but not for health reasons. I just got sick of listening to non-smokers bitching about tiny wisps of smoke invading their 'clean' air and worse again the relatively new phenomenon of smokers bemoaning their assumption that they have become the most oppressed people since the holocaust.

Dave!

you poor poor thing

[Deleted User]

People have every right to smoke, IMO, while they are being forced to listen to your whinging. I have no jacket and get a runny nose for about a week if i have to stand outside in the rain, why should I put up with that when you could move five feet away from me and not get your face in the way of my smoke?
Stop whining, you got us out of buildings now you want a restraining order put on us? Learn to compromise

Not having a jacket is YOUR choice. Smoking is YOUR choice. There is nothing I can do about someone blowing smoke in my face. The last place I worked there were smokers congregating outside every door so there was no option but to walk through clouds of smoke. You have a choice about where to smoke, whether to wear a jacket. I find it absolutely comical how people just don't get it. It's utterly selfish, and disagree if you want, but it is. Like someone said, I have no problem at all with people doing whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect me. What gives you the right to inflict your habits on other people, directly? Wouldn't you be annoyed if I got drunk one night, came outside and puked all over you? My drinking is none of your business, but my puking on you made it your business. Why is smoking different? I know lots of people who are considerate smokers, it's not that difficult to make a tiny bit of effort not to be ignorant and selfish. And then to moan at people 'whinging' about it - put up with it ffs if you're not prepared to be considerate. It just comes off as highly immature to write off the fact that people are genuinely bothered by smoke and call them whingers for complaining about something that's really annoying. We're supposed to put up with clouds of smoke in the face and possible resulting headaches/runny nose/breathing problems but you can't take a few complaints? Grow up, tbh.

IzzyWizzy wrote:

Not having a jacket is YOUR choice. Smoking is YOUR choice. There is nothing I can do about someone blowing smoke in my face. The last place I worked there were smokers congregating outside every door so there was no option but to walk through clouds of smoke. You have a choice about where to smoke, whether to wear a jacket. I find it absolutely comical how people just don't get it. It's utterly selfish, and disagree if you want, but it is. Like someone said, I have no problem at all with people doing whatever they want, as long as it doesn't affect me. What gives you the right to inflict your habits on other people, directly? Wouldn't you be annoyed if I got drunk one night, came outside and puked all over you? My drinking is none of your business, but my puking on you made it your business. Why is smoking different? I know lots of people who are considerate smokers, it's not that difficult to make a tiny bit of effort not to be ignorant and selfish. And then to moan at people 'whinging' about it - put up with it ffs if you're not prepared to be considerate. It just comes off as highly immature to write off the fact that people are genuinely bothered by smoke and call them whingers for complaining about something that's really annoying. We're supposed to put up with clouds of smoke in the face and possible resulting headaches/runny nose/breathing problems but you can't take a few complaints? Grow up, tbh.

Its our legal right to smoke, but yet we've been forced outdoors to let you non-smokers have clean air inside and now you're complaining about us outside?
You're extremely self-centered to believe such a thing.

"Considerate smokers" i.e "get out of the way when they see a non-smoker coming so they don't get a little whiff of their smoke", trying to turn smokers into second class citizens or something all of a sudden. Considerate smokers are those that smoke outside and put their cigarette butt in the ashtray provided. Any other demands are completely selfish on you, the non-smokers part.

If you know you get runny noses from smoke, I'd suggest bringing a handkerchief or a little box of tissues. It is not our problem that you suffer from a runny nose.

I'd also suggest that you take your own advice and grow up. The world does not revolve around you and you can't have everything your own way.

J.R.HARTLEY

IzzyWizzy wrote:

so why can't I inflict my water on you?

this may not be the time or place but WTF
as long as the lads weren't in the doorway, and they weren't then she's just moaning for the sake of it. can't please everyone all the time, or some people any of the time.
now the gangs that stand outside the door of Tallaght hospital puffing away are a real pain in the ass (considering there's a covered wooden gazebo out in the grass for them, seats and all), but you just hold your breath for 5 seconds and your through

[Deleted User]

"Considerate smokers" i.e "get out of the way when they see a non-smoker coming so they don't get a little whiff of their smoke", trying to turn smokers into second class citizens or something all of a sudden.

But it's alright for smokers to expect ME to move out of the way like a second class citizen so I don't have to breathe in their smoke?? Not to mention the fact that it is impossible to move out of the way when there's a huge group of smokers congregating outside an entrance?

I think YOU'RE the one who wants everything your way. I'm not saying you don't have a right to smoke, but have you ever heard the saying 'your rights end where the rights of others begin'? It's your right to smoke, but it's my right to be able to walk in and out of a building without getting a face full of smoke from all directions. It's your responsibility to try not to annoy other people with your habit, since you're the one who's choosing to smoke. Just like if you liked playing loud music - yes you have a right to play music, but your next door neighbour has the right to peace and quiet, so you should keep it at a reasonable level instead of inflicting your music on them. Or do you think that's unreasonable as well? :rolleyes:

The OP just reeks of immaturity to me. The woman in question was evidently bothered by the smoke or she wouldn't have said anything. The reaction was like a spoiled 13 year old 'ugh, she had the NERVE to say something to me!' and then comes on here trying to validate his lack of consideration. He gave no indication that the woman was rude, and that he couldn't have just said 'yeah sorry, didn't realise' and moved a few feet away. Would that have been so difficult? Not to mention the title, what an overreaction. Trying to imply people are so sensitive they can't stand the sight of a smoker, when really all they are objecting to is getting smoke blown in their face. I don't see where anyone has said they are bad people either. Just trying to justify inconsiderate behaviour by acting like other people have the problem.

kwalsh000

Not going to moan, as most seem to t hink is happening. Im a non smoker, but lived with smokers all my life as my family smokes. I hate the stuff with a passion! I really do! But its the persons choice to smoke, but i have had incidents when was workin in the aiport that every door would be packed full of smokers..and ive literally had them blow it in my face as i walked past and i wanted to crack them one, instead, may sound vulgar, but i stopped looked at them for doing this and would walk to a bin and spit or stop and start coughing in front of them, giving them dirty looks. Not a nice thing to do i admit, but day in day out, every time walking out the door it happens. Ive seen people light up in buildings where they think they cant be seen and in toilets and im promptly thrown them out.

While majority of people who smoke outside do so with consideration for non smokers, there is that small percentage who dont and thats who i think gets the so called , anti smoking nazi's going. The point to remember is there is a limit as to what is acceptable. Smoking at doorways i have no problem with, as im sure many non smokers dont mind, but its the blowing of smoke INTO your face thats the annoying thing. So take into consideration its both sides that moan (well a small percentage). Now..can we all just get along:p (notice i said i hate the stuff, not the smokers..its an addiction like alot of things, so not as easy to give up as can be imagined)

IzzyWizzy wrote:

But it's alright for smokers to expect ME to move out of the way like a second class citizen so I don't have to breathe in their smoke?? Not to mention the fact that it is impossible to move out of the way when there's a huge group of smokers congregating outside an entrance?

Its not like anyone is standing directly infront of the entrance prohibiting easy access, stop over exaggerating everything.

IzzyWizzy wrote:

I think YOU'RE the one who wants everything your way.

Says the person who not only wants smokers to smoke outside, but they want them to move well out of distance when she/he approaches an entrance so that she/he can avoid a runny nose.
We already go outside to enjoy something that we have perfect legal right to do so, we sit out there in the cold, rain, wind etc. so you can enjoy clean air inside, we stand in doorways so we are sheltered from the weather somewhat and thats not good enough for you? Well excuse me princess, let me lay down on this puddle for you so you can avoid dirtying your shoes :rolleyes:
I'm not saying you don't have a right to smoke, but have you ever heard the saying 'your rights end where the rights of others begin'? It's your right to smoke, but it's my right to be able to walk in and out of a building without getting a face full of smoke from all directions. It's your responsibility to try not to annoy other people with your habit, since you're the one who's choosing to smoke. Just like if you liked playing loud music - yes you have a right to play music, but your next door neighbour has the right to peace and quiet, so you should keep it at a reasonable level instead of inflicting your music on them. Or do you think that's unreasonable as well? :rolleyes:

IzzyWizzy wrote:

The woman in question was evidently bothered by the smoke or she wouldn't have said anything. The reaction was like a spoiled 13 year old 'ugh, she had the NERVE to say something to me!' and then comes on here trying to validate his lack of consideration.

If she has such a problem with it, let her build a smoking room/shed or buy the two of them nice jackets. They were being considerate enough as it was.

IzzyWizzy wrote:

He gave no indication that the woman was rude, and that he couldn't have just said 'yeah sorry, didn't realise' and moved a few feet away. Would that have been so difficult?

Erm, why the hell should he have to apologise? He did absolutely nothing wrong. Or are we back to your "smokers are second class/beneath us" little attitude? The law states they can't enjoy their perfectly legal habit in work, they stood outside to both abide by the laws and to ensure the air remained smoke free in the building and they've to apologise for that?
Tbh, if someone came up and complained to me about smoking outside I'd tell them where to go pretty damn quickly.

IzzyWizzy wrote:

Not to mention the title, what an overreaction. Trying to imply people are so sensitive they can't stand the sight of a smoker, when really all they are objecting to is getting smoke blown in their face. I don't see where anyone has said they are bad people either. Just trying to justify inconsiderate behaviour by acting like other people have the problem.

Your entire attitude towards smoking/smokers implies that they're (we're, not for too much longer though) beneath you, utterly condescending and not to mention completely self-centered.
You can't have everything your own way Izzy.

[Deleted User]

Was in an American football stadium that was the site of the 1984 Olympics in Los Angeles. It's open to the sky. They do not allow smoking in this open air stadium. This seems to be a trend in public places where crowds sit. Nonsmokers do not want to enhale the slightest amount of secondary smoke, even if but a trace.

[Deleted User]

I'm not the one putting words in peoples' mouths. I have stated that I have many friends who smoke, my dad smokes. I have no problem with smokers, I have a problem with people who inflict their habits on others. That goes for smokers, that goes for violent drunks, people who play their music really loud, any type of antisocial behaviour. I think you are being more condescending by criticizing those who dare to object to having clouds of smoke blown in their face and calling them whingers.

Erm, why the hell should he have to apologise? He did absolutely nothing wrong

I apologise all the time when I have annoyed someone, whether it was intentional or not. Do you only ever say sorry when you've done something seriously wrong? Someone asked me to talk more quietly on the bus the other day - I wasn't doing anything 'wrong' by talking but it was bothering that person, so I said sorry and talked more quietly. Not to do so would be rude and ignorant, imo.

Its not like anyone is standing directly infront of the entrance prohibiting easy access, stop over exaggerating everything.

You must live under a rock, because this is exactly what happens on a daily basis and that's what I have a problem with. It's annoying enough when people huddle together so nobody can get past, without the added irritation of blowing smoke in your face.

L31mr0d

***SMOKING CAUSES CANCER***

I don't care so much about the smell of smoke/smokers as I do about living to a ripe old age and not dying in agony. I've lost 2 relatives to lung cancer, both chain smokers, smoked to their death bed, and its given me an extreme abhorrance to smoking.

If people wish to smoke, by all means do so, i'll be the first to hand you a darwinian award. But I don't expect you to exhale it all over me. It would be a cold day in hell that a smoker would turn around and exhale their lungs full of smoke onto a baby in a crib yet they feel its alright to do so as people try to enter/exit a building/bus.

Just as much as i'd lose the rag with someone "accidentally" blowing asbestos into my face, i'm going to lose the rag with someone blowing cigarette smoke at me. I've seen what the end looks like for a smoker, and nobody has the right to inflict that on anybody else. The decent thing for a smoker to do, is stay well clear of ANYWHERE where non-smokers are going to be. If there is nowhere, then wait to smoke later, if you CAN'T, then cigarettes control you not you them. If so, then there is no point talking to any smokers, as they clearly aren't the ones making the decisions.

Dave!

L31mr0d wrote:

***SMOKING CAUSES CANCER***

I don't care so much about the smell of smoke/smokers as I do about living to a ripe old age and not dying in agony. I've lost 2 relatives to lung cancer, both chain smokers, smoked to their death bed, and its given me an extreme abhorrance to smoking.

If people wish to smoke, by all means do so, i'll be the first to hand you a darwinian award. But I don't expect you to exhale it all over me. It would be a cold day in hell that a smoker would turn around and exhale their lungs full of smoke onto a baby in a crib yet they feel its alright to do so as people try to enter/exit a building/bus.

Just as much as i'd lose the rag with someone "accidentally" blowing asbestos into my face, i'm going to lose the rag with someone blowing cigarette smoke at me. I've seen what the end looks like for a smoker, and nobody has the right to inflict that on anybody else. The decent thing for a smoker to do, is stay well clear of ANYWHERE where non-smokers are going to be. If there is nowhere, then wait to smoke later, if you CAN'T, then cigarettes control you not you them. If so, then there is no point talking to any smokers, as they clearly aren't the ones making the decisions.

In fairness, walking past someone as smoke is coming from their mouth is not going to give you cancer unless you make the effort to catch every bit of the smoke in your lungs.

But I agree with IzzyWizzy for the most part here.

L31mr0d

DaveMcG wrote:

In fairness, walking past someone as smoke is coming from their mouth is not going to give you cancer unless you make the effort to catch every bit of the smoke in your lungs.

But I agree with IzzyWizzy for the most part here.

Would you swallow a teaspoon of asbestos, even though the chances are it won't give you cancer? Why should I have to take that risk when going about my day. They BANNED the use of asbestos in buildings because it MIGHT cause you cancer. They need to BAN people from smoking anywhere near non-smokers for the same reason.

Shellie13

even more annoying than this i always find is that these "ridgid anti smokers" who are continually "lookin out for your health" and offended that someone would be as stupid as to smoke at all never mind in a mile radius of them, are the very first person to come scamperin up to you in the horrors with "can i bum a fag?!"

"no piss off this is my exclusive lung cancer thankyou very much!"

TerrorFirmer

DonJose wrote:

I was in New York/Chicago this summer and I noticed a lot of the entrances to buildings had signs stating it was forbidden to smoke within so many feet of the door...

The way it should be in my opinion. No problem with smokers, but if you're going out for a smoke it wouldn't kill you to move a few little yards away from the door where everyone has to pass through.

It's obviously nothing to do with legalities, it's just common courtesy and keeps everyone happy.

Calibos

Didn't I read in an older smoking thread that a person sitting within 10ft of a BBQ inhales the equivelent noxious fumes of 100,000 cigarettes.

Perspective people!

Oh dear God, I inhaled 20 particles of smoke walking in the door past the smokers, I'm gonna die!!

Thrill

Calibos wrote:

Didn't I read in an older smoking thread that a person sitting within 10ft of a BBQ inhales the equivelent noxious fumes of 100,000 cigarettes.

Perspective people!

Oh dear God, I inhaled 20 particles of smoke walking in the door past the smokers, I'm gonna die!!

If you want perspective, then visit a cancer ward. Ive read that some people who have done so have quit smoking because of the sight of the pain and suffering these people go through.
I, for one, would not like to have been even partly responsible for the agony of cancer suffers.
Not even 20 particles worth.

J.R.HARTLEY

you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, noone lives forever

Steyr

J.R.HARTLEY wrote:

you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't, noone lives forever

But you can prolong yourself longer if you gave them up, its a disgusting habit, how anybody can do that is disturbing when you consider the fact you may get Cancer from it,says it all really, whats worse is when you see pregnant women smoking like ffs they already poison themselves why poision their child to be? they should at least give up until the birth.

Dave!

Steyr wrote:

But you can prolong yourself longer if you gave them up, its a disgusting habit, how anybody can do that is disturbing when you consider the fact you may get Cancer from it,says it all really, whats worse is when you see pregnant women smoking like ffs they already poison themselves why poision their child to be? they should at least give up until the birth.

I don't think that anyone would disagree that pregnant women shouldn't smoke.

emeraldstar

tbh it is disgusting when you get a whiff of someone's cigarette smoke in your face..nose...lungs. Ugh. Especially when you're walking behind someone and they're puffing away. Gross

admiralofthefleet

i was verbally abused a few years ago on the platform at booterstown dart station by some old man for lighting up, he said it was illegal to smoke in dart stations!
i support the smoking ban and sometimes i feel bad smoking outside in public, like when im in town and a group of kids walk me, i dont want to setting an example, and im going to try quit again after xmas

Binomate

I want a cigarette.

layke

delop wrote:

Id say there is no pleasing some people only i dont want to offend anyone that might have had a Tragedy in their family do to smoking

..and that's your fault how? If some one wants to get offended then let them ,not your problem.

Anyway yer wan in the OP was probably moaning that, god forbid her little nostrals should get a whiff of the smelly smoke.

J.R.HARTLEY

Steyr wrote:

But you can prolong yourself longer if you gave them up, its a disgusting habit, how anybody can do that is disturbing when you consider the fact you may get Cancer from it,says it all really,

look before you leap sunshine,
i have lung cancer Stage 4 Non Small Cell Adenocarcinoma, so you can spare me the preaching, and i never smoked a day in my life but i still got it, somethings gonna get you at the end of the day, you may as well have fun