peasant wrote: Leaving aside the doubtful assumption that the influx of "non-nationals" somehow increases overall crime figures ...how does anyone actually propose that these "background checks" be carried out? I'm pretty sure that once an individual comes to the attention of the police that their background is checked out, be they Irish or otherwise.
Ruu wrote: From what peasant said, ...how does anyone actually propose that these "background checks" be carried out?
ambro25 wrote: , "they are bringing all sorts of diseases" (that one particularly made me laugh!), etc, etc.
robinph wrote: Close the borders and don't let anyone in or out.
Fratton Fred wrote: I think that is the crux of the issue. You can’t put in place “Background checks” without putting in place border controls which is contrary to EU policy. It would also mean putting border control in place between Northern Ireland and the ROI and moving all UK/Ireland flights to international flight status (which at the moment they are not considered to be) and putting passport and immigration control in at Rosslare, Cork and Dublin ports. While you’re at it, why not mark all “Non-Nationals” maybe even give them a little tattoo on their wrist, you could even include a symbol to identify their religious beliefs, maybe a little star for jews etc. Then, once a murder is committed by someone who is believed to be a “Non-National” , all those “Non Nationals” could be rounded up and put in large camps until we find the culprit, if no one owns up, how about gassing a few, they are, after all only immigrants who have no right to be here in the first place. If we have trouble “Outing” these foreigners, I’m sure the locals could be encouraged to rat on their neighbours and I’m positive the youth could be drafted in to help, maybe setup a National youth organisation to help improve our social situation, maybe call them the National Socialists and they could hold annual rallies in Croke Park and be obliged to read copies of moin fecking campf. As for the Poles, well, there is only one way to stop them coming here and that is to invade their country, followed by Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania and then onto Russia. This could work, all we need is a leader with a small funny looking moustache that goes by the name “Ardel O’Hitler”. :mad: :mad: :mad:
Bambi wrote: lol thats a lovely straw man, did it take long to build? anywhoo in relation to the original question i think we've established that "do they f**k" is the correct answer.
Fratton Fred wrote: or feck all more than any other country The goold old US of A have got it sussed though, they give you a questionaire which asks if you are a terrorist. Genius:D
shane86 wrote: Can we make deliberately talking waffle in debates a bannable offence? If someone mentions death camps and yellow stars Fratton Fred, comment away. Otherwise quit with outlandish rants that make you sound like a PC version of Alan Partridge. The OP was querying if checks were done. It went into a related debate, where people gave reasons as to why they did/didnt want to see them done, with examples (come on Ruu, its like someone starting a thread in football "I think Roy Keane was Irelands greatest player" and someone accused of going off topic by saying "He was a legend but Paul McGrath was always my favourite").
Fratton Fred wrote: The way I see it, you are either n the EU or you’re not. Freedom of movement is one of the fundamental rights under the EU constitution, so there is nothing you can do about it. If Ireland doesn’t want all these “Non-Nationals” then it will have to leave the EU, but they may have to repay the €54bn it has taken from it first.
Raekwon wrote: Bit harsh ^^^ but instead of looking at it from a non-Irish perspective, how about looking at it from a different angle? If you preach; 'You are either EU or not', then why doesn't Poland or any of the other 'newer' EU counties (excluding Slovakia) open their boarders to Romania & Bulgaria? Will Poland be happy if huge countries like Ukraine & Turkey join the EU (possibly 2015). Will they welcome newer, under-developed 'EU' countries into their own countries with open arms?
Fratton Fred wrote: or should the question be, if countries are not prepared to open their borders to these countries, should they be granted entry to the EU in the first place.
Raekwon wrote: I know that the European commission imposed its toughest restrictions to force them to intensify their fight against crime and corruption, in other words, if there is no satisfactory improvement in the near future then they are both out. But that is besides the point. My question was will other EU countries (I take Poland as an example) take a leaf from Ireland's book and open their boarders to new EU states in the near future? Or is it all take and no give?
peasant wrote: If Poland (with an unemployment rate of 20%) decides to close its labour market to further EU workers, it seems to be quite within its right to do so.
Fratton Fred wrote: One thing is for sure, it could certainly mess up the voting for the eurovision song contest.
peasant wrote: So it seems that there are provisions within EU treaties that allow for certain economic restrictions to be put in place. If Poland (with an unemployment rate of 20%) decides to close its labour market to further EU workers, it seems to be quite within its right to do so.
Alun wrote: I'm not sure this can be done retrospectively though. There were special provisions made to allow some EU member states to restrict workers from the new member states for a certain period of time, but my understanding is that eventually everyone will have to allow them in. I can't see member states unilaterally deciding to close their labour market to another member state going down too well somehow. Think retaliation.
ambro25 wrote: I've been thoroughly background-checked by the French equivalent of UK's MI5 in my own country, because of my sensitive posting during my National Service.
peasant wrote: Do you take your Martini shaken or stirred?
