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Luas machine begging

theTinker

I feel the need to vent about this.
Everyday on my way from my new job in loughlinstown, I pass through town to get the red luas line home to the Drimnagh/Crumlin area. For the last 2-3 weeks however there is this begger standing right in front of the Luas ticket machines. Anyone that tries to use them he comes up to them and says "Hoooowiya mate, do yaaa got any change?" *waits 2 seconds* "god bless ya"

A few things that piss me off with this guy,
1: He says it in such a way that his tone never deviates and you just know he repeats this crap 1000 times a minute(it could happen!)
2: The way he waits on the ticket machine because everyone gets change from it, You cant say "sorry haven't got any" when its falling from it...
3: He goes STRAIGHT into the pub across the road(abbey street) after 10 or so minutes of collecting each time.
4: The god bless you part comes after 2 seconds each time, regardless of whether you respond with a yes, no, or are still speaking.
5: I think its so sleezy that they ask you while your change is falling. Its so putting pressure on the person. Its such a dirty way of asking.

His friend also repeats after seeing the first guys success but is much more intrusive, he practically stands in front of the machine and lets u reach around.

After the first week of giving the change, I just started saying "No" without giving reason. Its now moved to "No, stop asking". Next week i plan to throw a curse in there.

addition: ATM begging is annoying too, I feel like they could just jump up and rob ur cash when its coming out.

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Degsy

FranknFurter wrote:

Either way, it just makes me angry at the single-minded attitude of a lot of Irish people these days.

I agree that "begging" beside an atm, or being aggressive about it is not on, that makes me very very angry and I could never condone that.

But it also makes me want to bang heads when I hear people taking examples like those and applying them to an entire group in society.
A group we as a country should be trying to assist rather than condemn.

If begging is somthing you dont like, then why not help do somthing about the problem? Rather than sit in your cosy house drinking you hot coffee and moaning about how terrible you assume these people are.
IF we worked on sorting out such problems as addiction, homelessness, poverty, education etc THAT would be constructive in reducing the situation of people having to beg on the streets.

Does anyone *seriously* think somone would rather stand outside in freezing cold weather, rain and have to beg for survival and take abuse from the public on top of it, if they had a choice in the matter??

Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, the MAJORITY of people who have to do this are not doing it because they see it as an "easy option" to live, they are doing it to survive. And there is a BIG difference between surviving and living.

B

PS, maybe people dont realise this, but there is a huge problem in this country where some people (especially immigrants) are being *forced* to go out every day (often with their babies) and beg, then give all of their collected money to somone who is no more than a pimp.
These "pimps" also make sure they do what they are told with violence and unimaginable threats. There was even a case last year iirc of such a person threatening a romanian woman he would inject her 1 year old baby with heroin if she didnt comply.
And ever wonder if maybe that mobile phone is supplied by somone as part of "keeping tabs" on his victim?
Maybe next time you see some woman sitting there with her child begging, you may ask yourself "is she being made do this by some awful pimp" instead of "how horrible she is for bringing her child with her while she annoys me".

ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!Beggers getting mobile phones from thier boss?What next,a company car?generous retirement package?

stovelid

Have to say that it's very rarely I have been abused for not giving money to beggars. Are you sure you are "refusing (as) poilitely" as you think? :rolleyes:

missmatty wrote:

it's always gratifying to see how they usually instantly change from being 'nice' when looking for it to saying awful things when you refuse politely.

Archeron

Or perhaps we could round them all up, and put them in camps where we can extract their gold teeth and perform hideous experiments on them to try and figure out how to make them into "better people" in accordance with what we believe makes good people in the first place. And then gas them. Oh wait, thats already been done you say?

Threads like this really show a face to some Boards users that is worryingly nonchalant towards violence and sickeningly dismissive of of their fellow man. Its easy to be flippant about attacking complete strangers, but its a fine line for some idiots between talking about it and actually doing it, and the many people who have been at the receiving ends of brutal random attacks on this fair island will understand that entirely.

Fine, I dont like people begging either, especially in an "in your face" way as some posters have mentioned, but theres so much barely concealed bullsh*t in this thread, I think I'll invest my life savings in a nosepeg factory. It is NOT your job to put these people in their place or to move them along. If the police and proper authorities dont or cant do it, then mind your own damn business and move along and get on with your priveleged life.

missmatty

I was waiting alone for a friend outside Dunnes on Georges St. on Sat evening and this skanger launched into a spiel about why i should give him money. I cut him off and politely but firmly said, 'No, sorry' and then he turned nasty and gave me dogs abuse. He was hanging out there at the bench in front of Dunnes with a shower of them. Now i'm no shrinking violet but i felt really threatened. I never give money to homeless people/junkies (i do to charity) and it's always gratifying to see how they usually instantly change from being 'nice' when looking for it to saying awful things when you refuse politely. It's not the first time this has happened to me. And i have to laugh (to myself obviously, i don't have a death wish) when they call me a stupid effing stuck up middle class bitch as i came from a poor farm myself where we hadn't much but worked very hard for 7 yrs in college to make sure i'd be ok. Also, every evening when i come out of Heuston there is a person begging at each one of the Luas ticket machines, actually huddled up beside it. There's no way to avoid them and i am so sick of it. I'd be a whole lot more likely to give ppl something if they weren't up my arse the whole time annoying me.

aidan_walsh

Let s start with you, shall we StarryBud? Muppet.

StarryBud

StarryBud's guide to dealing with the HOMELESS in a sensible and respectible manner

All are good suggestions and positive options.

1 - Kick them in the balls/ovaries

2 - Punch them in the face

3 - Instead of going to the pub with your pals, arrange to meet up bringing baseball bats, boards with nails in them, sack of doorknobs and go BumHunting®

4 - Tell them to (a) go back to their own country, (b) get a job or (c) spit in their face and laugh (a personal favourite!).

5 - Douse them in petrol and set fire to them - a BumFire®! A festive treat for the upcoming Halloween season.

Xavi6

cushtac wrote:

Saw a one-legged girl begging at the lights near Tesco Clarehall yesterday, things are getting worse.

Yeah she's been there for a good while now. It's kinda disturbing.

As for the fat Romanian kid with the accordian, I agree he doesn't look too under weight but his background circumstances could be pretty complicated.

Sam Vimes

DonkeyStyle \o/ wrote:

Why don't the gov/gardai give away the seized heroin to homeless junkies... good for the junkies (depending on how you look at it)... bad for the dealers since they have less demand... good for us because we don't get robbed/begged.
It'd tripple the impact of every drug seizure surely.

there's a thread in humanities all about this. we decided the best way to solve the heroin problem is to give away as much free as anyone wants

Piste wrote:

Well said FranknFurter!

It's so easy to say "there's nothing to stop them getting a job then finding some place to live!"

Well how are they supposed to get a job with no bank account to cash/lodge their wages? How can they open a bank account without a permanent address? Places wont hire people without a permanent address, so they're stuck in a vicious loop.

i know its difficult to stop being homeless but not impossible by any means. i know if i somehow ended up homeless i wouldn't stay there for very long. the best way would probably be:
1. beg enough to get some cheap, clean clothes and a hostel for an address. easily done in today's ireland. as the bloke said above, they get about 60 quid a day
2. apply for a job in dunnes.
3. work from there
4. most importantly, don't spend all the money i beg for on heroin

stovelid

I particulary dislike this one legged romanian/polish black hybrid knacker sort that hangs around town. I tried to give him tuppence yesterday but only had a 100 euro note. Thankfully, he was able give me change from the prodigious wad in his back pocket. I thought it was rude the way that he stayed on his mobile the whole time organizing his various fraud rings but each to their own, I suppose.

Lets just kill them all. Now.

cushtac

Saw a one-legged girl begging at the lights near Tesco Clarehall yesterday, things are getting worse.

mountainyman

FranknFurter wrote:

PS, maybe people dont realise this, but there is a huge problem in this country where some people (especially immigrants) are being *forced* to go out every day (often with their babies) and beg, then give all of their collected money to somone who is no more than a pimp.

I agree Frank n Furter that it is wrong to dislike an entire ethnic group. It is wrong full stop, It is called racism further most of the people who beg in the street are Irish, further the ethnic group is ROMA GYPSY not Romanian.

But there is a broader issue. Why aren't these women selling their bodies instead of just begging. If they were to whore themselves out they would surely get far more.

MM

arybvtcw0eolkf

Chakar wrote:

Theres a woman who begs from the gates of a church in Rathfarnham, Dublin across from the Yellow House.She's been there for years think she's a alcoholic or something but ever since I was a youngster shes been there.Thats a pretty crap life isn't it?

Yea, earning tax free money for scratching your ass must be really crappy.

:rolleyes:

exiztone

Beggars who come into my shop exchange coins to the amount of 60 euro and more. This is actually more than I earn for an 8 hour shift. Yes, begging earns more than working! They can afford their hostels, one told me it was around 50 quid for a week and they're plump in the City Centre too.

If they have substance addiction and are begging to feed it, that was their own choice and it's their own choice to continue it. There are methadone clinics that are easy to get into and the Simon community help with the homeless part. The choice is ultimately theirs and not ours.

Odysseus

Personally I very rarely give money, the last time was I gave ten punts to an old woman I seen begging, that will tell you how long ago that was. It just looked like the wonan really need it. Professionally, I work with alot of people who beg, imo its is easy to say they don't want to be like that, of course, however, in alot of cases they do not want to change the cause of their difficulties, i.e. drink, drugs etc.

theTinker

FranknFurter wrote:

Either way, it just makes me angry at the single-minded attitude of a lot of Irish people these days.

Your post is just as single minded as anyone elses on the thread. It just happens to be taking an opposite view with it.

Most of the beggars i meet each day are drunks, junkies, or scamming. Scamming beggers make so much money its shameful.
If i knew a person was starving or desperate i would defintely help them out. Since i cant tell which are though, i volunteer at other things.
Either way i wouldn't be bothered about scammers or drunks if they weren't so intrusive each day.
I've had the bus stop one done to me, Some guy will ask for money for a hostel or bus fare and after you give him enough, he'll ask EVERYONE at the bus stop even though he has enough by then, and then just cross the road to other bus stops.
But these 2 fellas at the luas stop i mentioned are taking the piss. They ask for change when its falling from the machine so u cant say u dont got it, Then they go straight over to the pub across the road... Either way they get right in your face and bother everyone. Its so easy to see also that so many females particularly get a bit intimated by them. They get wide eyed and all tense. It would be ok if they stood at the side with a sign or sumthing, At least anyone that gets freaked by them can walk by, But the girls at the luas stop are standing still and need to wait on thier tram.

the_syco

FranknFurter wrote:

Does anyone *seriously* think somone would rather stand outside in freezing cold weather, rain and have to beg for survival and take abuse from the public on top of it, if they had a choice in the matter??

Yes. During the summer, they usually want to stay on the streets, as they can drink their booze there. By their own choice.

=-=

Someone said they aren't there by their own doing... well, if they want they can give up the €100 a day job (begging), goto a hostel, then onto somewhere more pernament, and end up working in some job that pays a week what they'd get in two or three days.

=-=

If you give them any money, they can stay on the streets. They can get their fix, wheather it be booze or drugs. I ignore them, or tell them to f**k off. The only people on the streets I'm no longer rude to is those selling the Big Issue. At least they're trying.

Piste

Well said FranknFurter!

It's so easy to say "there's nothing to stop them getting a job then finding some place to live!"

Well how are they supposed to get a job with no bank account to cash/lodge their wages? How can they open a bank account without a permanent address? Places wont hire people without a permanent address, so they're stuck in a vicious loop.

FranknFurter

stepbar wrote:

TBH he doesnt look much of a kid........

Either way, it just makes me angry at the single-minded attitude of a lot of Irish people these days.

I agree that "begging" beside an atm, or being aggressive about it is not on, that makes me very very angry and I could never condone that.

But it also makes me want to bang heads when I hear people taking examples like those and applying them to an entire group in society.
A group we as a country should be trying to assist rather than condemn.

If begging is somthing you dont like, then why not help do somthing about the problem? Rather than sit in your cosy house drinking you hot coffee and moaning about how terrible you assume these people are.
IF we worked on sorting out such problems as addiction, homelessness, poverty, education etc THAT would be constructive in reducing the situation of people having to beg on the streets.

Does anyone *seriously* think somone would rather stand outside in freezing cold weather, rain and have to beg for survival and take abuse from the public on top of it, if they had a choice in the matter??

Contrary to what seems to be popular belief, the MAJORITY of people who have to do this are not doing it because they see it as an "easy option" to live, they are doing it to survive. And there is a BIG difference between surviving and living.

B

PS, maybe people dont realise this, but there is a huge problem in this country where some people (especially immigrants) are being *forced* to go out every day (often with their babies) and beg, then give all of their collected money to somone who is no more than a pimp.
These "pimps" also make sure they do what they are told with violence and unimaginable threats. There was even a case last year iirc of such a person threatening a romanian woman he would inject her 1 year old baby with heroin if she didnt comply.
And ever wonder if maybe that mobile phone is supplied by somone as part of "keeping tabs" on his victim?
Maybe next time you see some woman sitting there with her child begging, you may ask yourself "is she being made do this by some awful pimp" instead of "how horrible she is for bringing her child with her while she annoys me".

Dooom

rb_ie wrote:

/snip

Yup, I agree 100% with that. Giving them money is only reinforcing their mentality that they can live off other people, and rely on them for their next fix. What's stopping them from getting help for their addictions, getting some work and finding a place to live? It'd be hard, I'll grant that, but not impossible.
Sure whatever drug they're on may take them away from the harsh realities of their life, but imo they're being lazy. And that'd be a pretty large understatement.
I've never had to live on the street, or beg to live, I've had it pretty easy all my life, but I do know several people that did live on the street (one with a child too) that didn't depend on everyone else to survive (well maybe they begged for a bit, but that was to buy food, certainly not their next fix). They now have homes, and jobs and cars too. What's stopping the rest?

Piste

Not all homeless people are junkies, and not all homeless people have become homeless because of their own fault.

Faith wrote:

It's not my, or anyone elses, fault that he made the decision in the first place to try heroin. Nor is it my problem as to how he affords his next fix. Addicts being homeless is caused by their own actions, nobody else is responsible for it. Giving them money makes the situation worse, not better.

I completely agree. Although, I can't imagine what it would be like to come across a junkie going through relapse/cold turkey on the street, I'd imagine they'd be quite dangerous?

Civilian Target wrote:

Their life's not your fault, you're not responsible for it, but wouldn't it be decent if you could help his life out just a little to get a batter burger or a fix, even if its not entirely in line with what you believe to be correct. Fact is, he's gonna get that fix anyway: if no-one gives him the cash he's gonna just steal something to make up the difference and that's even less helpful!

So, we either give them cash or they'll rob something?Maybe we should start randomly attacking them, rendering them unable to rob someone and therefore unable to get the money for a fix?

I can't accept this attitude of "well they're going to get the money somehow, may as well contribute towards their next fix" tbh. The only real way to help it to contribute towards charities set up for these people, or perhaps donate towards rehab centres. Handing them money on the streets won't fix anything, it will satisfy them temporarily before they need their next one and then the next one etc.

I'll gladly buy a homeless person a cup of coffee or a cheap meal from McDonalds the odd time, they're in a horrible situation (which they got themselves into and can only get themselves out of) and a bit of warm food or a drink will make a difference to them (though some are pr1cks about you not giving them cash, most are grateful), but handing them money for their booze/drugs isn't helping them in any way. It may help them escape for a few hours, but they'll sober up and still be hungry, cold and desperate lying on the side of the street.

mountainyman

Civilian_Target wrote:

.... but wouldn't it be decent if you could help his life out just a little to get a batter burger or a fix, even if its not entirely in line with what you believe to be correct. Fact is, he's gonna get that fix anyway: if no-one gives him the cash he's gonna just steal something to make up the difference and that's even less helpful!

why can't he fellate people for the money?
begging is demeaning.

Let him work for it.
MM

Chinafoot

ToxicPaddy wrote:

Actually, some of the ones begging at ATMs are actually sussing out who's taking out large amounts of cash and if they seem someone doing so, usually tip their mates off across the street who will then either mug or pick the pocket of the person who's just withdrawn the cash.

Beware of this.

Tox

Yep, have heard a few stories about this..all relating to the ATM machine at outside Tara St. train station. I don't care how stuck I am, I'll never take money out of that machine.

$Photo of DonkeyStyle \o/$ DonkeyStyle \o/

Why don't the gov/gardai give away the seized heroin to homeless junkies... good for the junkies (depending on how you look at it)... bad for the dealers since they have less demand... good for us because we don't get robbed/begged.
It'd tripple the impact of every drug seizure surely.

ToxicPaddy

Faith wrote:

Aye, I hate the ones who sit/stand by ATMs. What do they expect to achieve from it? "Oh, sorry dude, I've no change but here, take this tenner that I just got from the ATM" ? Going to an ATM at all implies that you have no money on you, and no beggar can be stupid enough to think that people are going to give them notes.

Actually, some of the ones begging at ATMs are actually sussing out who's taking out large amounts of cash and if they seem someone doing so, usually tip their mates off across the street who will then either mug or pick the pocket of the person who's just withdrawn the cash.

Beware of this.

Tox

Civilian_Target

Faith wrote:

Really? Can you explain to me how I, or anyone else, is responsible for their actions then?

What are you talking about?! Some people don't get the start in life you do. Some people are born to parents who didn't want a child, who may have had little or no money, lived on top of each other in a tiny flat, who treat their kids like ****. Who kicked their children out of the house at 16 and didn't care where they went. Who get exploited by the nastier elements of society and have to beg because they need that next fix and their life only extends that far.

Their life's not your fault, you're not responsible for it, but wouldn't it be decent if you could help his life out just a little to get a batter burger or a fix, even if its not entirely in line with what you believe to be correct. Fact is, he's gonna get that fix anyway: if no-one gives him the cash he's gonna just steal something to make up the difference and that's even less helpful!

Dave!

Chakar wrote:

Theres a woman who begs from the gates of a church in Rathfarnham, Dublin across from the Yellow House.She's been there for years think she's a alcoholic or something but ever since I was a youngster shes been there.Thats a pretty crap life isn't it?

ehh...... YEAH.... it IS...

mountainyman

TwoShedsJackson wrote:

That fat Romanian kid who plays the accordion outside Dunnes on Sth Great Georges St really gets on my tits. He has one of those 'punch me' expressions on his face all the time. He's obviously eating well enough so I don't know why mangling an accordion in public trying to earn more.

That's different from Begging though. Is he **** at it or something? I mean why does that bug you?

Civilian_Target wrote:

Guess what: sometimes that homeless heroin addict needs his fix - if you try his life maybe it'd be easier to judge, but personally I'd just rather give him a little bit of my "hard earned" change.

Why can he not suck me off for it. Let him EARN his fix. Like the Romanian kid plays the accordian, the 'homeless' heroin addict can blow me. Heroin ruins your teeth so it would be win win.

MM

Chakar

Theres a woman who begs from the gates of a church in Rathfarnham, Dublin across from the Yellow House.She's been there for years think she's a alcoholic or something but ever since I was a youngster shes been there.Thats a pretty crap life isn't it?

Sam Vimes

Faith wrote:

Really? Can you explain to me how I, or anyone else, is responsible for their actions then?

ummm.......

are you asking how we're responsible for their actions or our own actions?