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Fat People Verses the world?

red_ice

Its 2 am in the morning and i've just finished watching a program called 'f**k off im fat'

The basic jist of the program is about discrimination against fat people in the uk. The show covered such areas as public toilets, shopping for cloths, eating, going out, driving, clubbing and a part that outraged me, how theme parks cope with fat people.

The whole show, was basicly a bunch of fat people being utter muppets to the camera moaning that they cant do anything. I understand that its not fair being left out in certain activities, but when it comes to other peoples health and safety there is no reason that things should change (imo) just to suit them. When they went into the theme park there was certain rollercoasters that they couldnt go on because they didnt fit in the seats. They complained and said the seats should be bigger to acompany them. How in gods name is that going to make the ride safer for skinny people?

Another point they worked on was the fact that 1 out of 10 shops in the uk cater for the 18+ sizes. They took all of this to the executives of the companies and interviewed such and such a person infront of the camera what what not, basicly asking for a reason to why they dont cater for people of these sizes.. Do they not realise that there is a certain market that these people aim to please? They are running a business ffs, if they see no profit margins in supplying those sizes, why should they waste money on it? They have female only car insurance yet noone gives a toss about that.. The point with that is, they have a market which they aim to please.

Another area that they went into was the health and beauty market. They asked the beauticians about whats attractive and so on and the type of people that they get in for regular servieces and so on and it was all about skinny people... the thing that i found funny was that the point that they tried to get across totally backfired. It seemed that they didnt get the larger person into the shops for treatments as much as they did the skinnier people... So whos fault is that? Because someone is over weight does that mean that they cant go in for treatments? Eh no!

I dont mean to come across as pointing the finger at anyone or anything. I just think this would make an interesting topic of conversation(adrien kennedy style), because there was so many things that i saw in that show that i never even considered would be discriminating to overweight people... but another thing they made clear was that there are fascilities for over weight people...

Dont get me wrong, im not saying fat people are lazy and so on... and honestly my heart bleed for them as i wouldnt like to be in the position of being put aside due to a physical issue, but life isnt fair and business is business.

If you ran a shop/theme park/business of any sort that lets face it, its main market was skinny people.. would you change it around to cater for the larger groups? Imagion if you did that and it totally flopped?

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Pocari Sweat

Are fat smokers, trying to lose fat by smoking?

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Are fat smokers, trying to lose fat by smoking?

Some women try to keep their weight down by smoking to surpress their appetite alright, don't know of any guys.

[Deleted User]

I generally think a person's weight is their business but it's very hard not to get annoyed when they're constantly moaning on about it like on that ridiculous programme. A tiny minority of people are fat because of medical issues, most people are just lazy and eat badly. That has been the case with every fat person I have ever known. They are always in total denial about their unhealthy lifestyle.

Here's an example, I had a friend in school who was overweight and always moaning about how I was "lucky" to be thin. I listened to it for weeks and one day I just snapped and told her there was no luck involved. She said yes there is, you eat chips as well, and you're not fat. I explained that I ate chips once a week MAX, not every other day like her, and the rest of the week I had very small portions for lunch, a small sandwich and an apple, whereas she always had something unhealthy. If we went to get a drink she'd always have Coke instead of the million healthy options available. I walked nearly four miles home from school every day, and she'd whine if her mum couldn't pick her up and she had to walk 15 minutes. She finally got the message, it really did sink in that she was just full of excuses. After that she started coming to the gym and eating better. There is no use pandering to overweight people and making it acceptable to be fat - it's unhealthy and not doing anyone any good.

Pocari Sweat

Do skinny annorexic people, have a higher morbidity because they are outside the normal healthy weight range and are especially losing out on important minerals and vitamins?

It was on the news about fat Japanese Sumo Wrestlers, were well above the health levels of the Japanese population.

They get excercise, they get their vits, and apparently they get their leg over too, they have swarms of groupies after them for the shag.

Pocari Sweat

I suppose the same must be true for Fat Lady Wrestlers.

Lust4Life

Posted by Pocari Sweat
Do skinny annorexic people, have a higher morbidity because they are outside the normal healthy weight range and are especially losing out on important minerals and vitamins?

With no fat to burn, they lose muscle instead. That can take its toll on the body.

Lust4Life wrote:

With no fat to burn, they lose muscle instead. That can take its toll on the body.

Not to mention what happens their internal organs.

DilbertPartII

wish i was FAT! doin everything to put some fat but i guess my metabolism works faster all the fats are eliminated. just love your body. it'll be easier.;)

Pocari Sweat

Just as lipososuction takes out fat, can you get a load of fat and podginess injected back into you?

padi89

Karl Hungus wrote:

I think something people here have missed is that alcohol is a big factor.

Of course alcohol is a big factor but its still all under diet.Just because you eat healthy all week doesnt mean its OK to go on the pi55 all weekend.Alcohol will do plenty of harm to your weight, drinking lots off fizzy drinks will give the same effect.I dont see how drinks inc Alcohol is seperate to diet.
As part of a healthy diet you should be drinking plenty of water or freshly squeezed juices.

Karl Hungus

padi89 wrote:

I dont see how drinks inc Alcohol is seperate to diet.

Oh I don't know, maybe because of alcoholism? :rolleyes:

Pocari Sweat

oops.

Terry

rb_ie, why do you feel such anger towards overweight people?
it's not like they are harming you in any way.

if people are overweight, it's their problem and nobody elses.

rb_ie wrote:

Anything I've read of yours so far has just come off like a fat chick trying whos now slimmed up but still has the mentality of one.
Go on, make more excuses.

what mentality does a fat chick have?

Pocari Sweat

Ex fat people, become nazis, when the deep disgust they have buried deep in them thinking how fat they were, spills out when yer average large portioned punter, mentions fatliness is OK.

padi89

Karl Hungus wrote:

Oh I don't know, maybe because of alcoholism? :rolleyes:

Alcohol can be included in your diet if you want, its just you have to take it in moderation same as everything else.If you are consuming food or drinks its all relevant to diet.If your asked how your diet is you dont exclude alcohol from it,its not a seperate issue.
Where are you getting alcoholism from? Alcoholics are not strictly fat many are very lean because they are so malnurished.

Terry

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Ex fat people, become nazis, when the deep disgust they have buried deep in them thinking how fat they were, spills out when yer average large portioned punter, mentions fatliness is OK.

pocari sweat banned for constant trolling.

Huggles

Pocari Sweat wrote:

Ex fat people, become nazis, when the deep disgust they have buried deep in them thinking how fat they were, spills out when yer average large portioned punter, mentions fatliness is OK.

I strongly advise you to look up 'nazi', in the dictionary, your little childrens encyclopaedia or google, anything.
Seeing as your refering to me I never felt disgusted at myself just trapped until I did something about it.

snickerpuss

I'm always pretty amused by how much sympathy people have for people who are bulimic/anorexic but yet when its over-eating they just can't see how its a real problem.

How can it only work one way?

Pigman II

snickerpuss wrote:

I'm always pretty amused by how much sympathy people have for people who are bulimic/anorexic but yet when its over-eating they just can't see how its a real problem.

How can it only work one way?

Yeah I do find this bulimic love hard to swallow.

lizzy_beth

Being overweight is not just to do with food/ exercise/ laziness. Quite often there are emotional issues that lead people to follow the type of lifestyle that they do e.g. poor coping skills, depression, using food as a crutch. I'm not saying that people shouldnt try to lead a healthier life, just that its not always as simple as people think it should be. Would you tell a depressed person to cop on and get over it (I hope in this day and age people are educated enough not to do that)? IMO it can often be a similar situation for someone with weight problems.

red_ice

TheGooner wrote:

What I thought the point was here was that the 'fat people' paid the same amount into the parks and couldn't fit on most of the rides. So therefore should be charged a lesser price or get money back?

Yea, i could see how that would be annoying, and its not fair. I myself am scared of those rides myself as i like to be in control of what im doing, so if i wanted to go to one of those parks i would still have to pay to look.. There would be a way around it, which would be to pay per ride, or how ever many rides there are available for the overweight catagory of people, make a price for that as there would be no chance they could get on the others!

TheGooner wrote:

Cheers, I am a girl though not a he.

TBH I feel this thread has turned into an anti-fat thread and I am very disappointed.

I was enjoying the debate but all the hatred towards fat people has brought back very bad memeories. Its an awful shame that people treat other people in such a way.

Oops! Simple mistake

Just ignore the silly comments and focus on the people who want a genuine conversation - its what i do! (that doesnt mean other comments that im not quoting are bad)

ThrownAway wrote:

I have an under active thyroid gland which means my metabolism is very slow and it's very easy to put on weight. I'd never let my self go and eat crap all the time. I've to be very careful about what I eat. I'm not exactly skinny [a size 10/12] but I'd never let myself gain weight and then blame it on my hormone problems. That's not an excuse.

Fair play, i suffer from a hyper active thyroid, i cant put on weight no matter how hard i try. i think the rage that come with a hyperactive thyroid keeps me thin haha

ThrownAway wrote:

I think social classes do in a way have an affect on weight. But with that said not everyone who's more affleunt are thin and visaversa. People with money problems will be depressed and turn to food. They would generally be less involved in activities since they can't afford to do so or may work long hours and also stress can cause food cravings. Just generally speaking here.

Well, in all fairness, it costs a total of 0cent to go for a run... you dont need a to go to a gym, if you have no medical reason to be overweight its really down to yourself if you lose it or not. if you want something bad enough you will get it, and noone can argue against that.

Lust4Life wrote:

Red_Ice, calling them a minoroty is incorrect. They do have the ability to change their status if they really choose to do so.

Well, can you say that the majority of people in the world are fat? Or in a given population? I would stand by my word and call an overweight person a minority. Its nothing personal or anything, but lets face it, societies definition of overweight is not fitting into a size 12 (i dont know), never the less a size 12 looks damn good. The people that were getting onto those rides, or trying to rather, are what i would call overweight. Theres nothing wrong with a little meat on a person, it doesnt mean that they are overwieght. The group of people i class as overweight are the people that wouldnt fit on those rides, and lets face it... Hands down, they are a minority - end of story!

Lust4Life wrote:

And I know weight loss can be a difficult challenge. One must really put their mind to it to achieve their goal.

Exactly, so are you now saying that if they dont put their mind to it, they are 1/2 assed? Which imo falls under the catagory of lazy. Theres nothing wrong with it if they are happy with their weight, but if they want to be thinner they have to put the bloody work in like everyone else. Its an investment in life... Nothing happens over night.

Lust4Life wrote:

I know overweight people who are quite comfortable with themselves. And I also know overweight people who whine quite loudly about their weight and the injustice they endure. These whiners would find other things to moan about even if they were thin. It's just a nasty attitude they've adopted and shouldn't deserve the attention it gets.

exactly. I have a friend in particular who has been overweight all his life. The last 3 months hes started a diet which kinda makes me worry which involves 3 milkshakes a day - thats it. The weight is flying off of him! He fells great! he says getting up in the morning is easier, he has brighter and happier days. He said that all the times hes tried to lose weight he did it half assed, and moaned about it. Now that hes going all in, you can see the changes.

Lust4Life wrote:

Did this programme mention at all about proper nutrition and how to lose the weight? Or was it all whining?

That's my 2 cents.

It didnt say anything about that, it wasnt about how to lose weight, it was basicly asking england to cope with it. Which isnt fair. this is why people on the boards are starting to point fingers and make comments. I can understand both sides of the arguement, and i myself am sweying towards the skinny side of things

red_ice

snickerpuss wrote:

I'm always pretty amused by how much sympathy people have for people who are bulimic/anorexic but yet when its over-eating they just can't see how its a real problem.

How can it only work one way?

Do you even know what bulimia/anorexia is? Its not being able to keep it down because of a mental issue. Food is poisen to them because of extreme dieting. It starts off as something stupid, but when it gets bad they need help.

It works one way because not being able to help yourself from getting sick and not being able to help yourself when you see a cake are two totally different things.

bulimic/anorexic get sympathy because it gets to a point where they want to get better, but they cant because of gag reflex and so on. I know from first hand experience.

daiixi

red_ice wrote:

Do you even know what bulimia/anorexia is? Its not being able to keep it down because of a mental issue. Food is poisen to them because of extreme dieting. It starts off as something stupid, but when it gets bad they need help.

It works one way because not being able to help yourself from getting sick and not being able to help yourself when you see a cake are two totally different things.

bulimic/anorexic get sympathy because it gets to a point where they want to get better, but they cant because of gag reflex and so on. I know from first hand experience.

I was talking to a guy who swallows swords once and he said that by "playing" with his gag reflex over a period of time he in effect killed it. So wouldnt someone with bulemia eventually kill their gag reflex too?

As was mentioned above, over eating as well as under eating can start off as something stupid which when gets bad requires help. However it's not people with these sorts of problems which are complaining about roller coasters not catering for them etc.

SingingCherry

red_ice wrote:

bulimic/anorexic get sympathy because it gets to a point where they want to get better, but they cant because of gag reflex and so on. I know from first hand experience.

What??? It's not a gag-reflex problem, it's a mental issue and a very serious one. To be bulemic you eat the food and then purposely throw it up - not because you can't help it physically but because you want to due to control issues.

That's the whole issue surrounding bulemia and anorexia. Control. They can't control their urge to starve themselves or throw up, usually resulting from some other issue in their life they have no control over.

And I've never heard of a bulemic or anorexic person getting sympathy ONLY when they seek treatment. Sometimes they do seek treatment on their own, sometimes they are forced to by their parents and doctors. Their inability to treat themselves has nothing to do with a gag-reflex problem.

Blush_01

I think that all the people condemning other people here should ask themselves what gives them the right to be so judgemental. I have never seen a thin person being abused at a bus stop by a passing car full of people. I have, however, seen an overweight person almost in tears because a car full of guys that she didn't know yelled that she was a fat bitch as they drove past. That's hardly condusive to high self esteem which (I can guarantee personally) is a huge factor in what feels like immovable weight.

I've been on diets where I lost five and six stone, and was simply not able to cope with the restrictions I was under. No sugar, dairy, wheat, soya, beef, tea, coffee, peanuts, oranges... the list goes on. Sounds ok, but when you find yourself living on a diet of boiled rice, steamed carrot and chicken on a daily basis, it can be bloody hard to cope. My downfall was wheat.

I don't, and wouldn't dare, criticise someone else for their eating habits, drinking habits or smoking habits, unless I was in a close enough relationship for it to be seen as advice rather than criticism. If someone beside me sparks up at a bus stop, even if the smoke is blowing in my face, I'll move rather than ask them to. It's their choice to smoke, as it's my choice to poke myself in the eye with a spatula on a regular basis, if I so choose. It might not be wise, but I'm not asking for your advice, nor will I offer mine unless you ask for it.

The show in question appears to have been stupid - surprise, surprise. But don't use it as an excuse to take out your judgemental and hate-riddled attitude on people you don't even bloody know. We all have different coping mechanisms. If one of those is making excuses, then so be it.

As for the "I'm not as fat as I am, by the way." comment. Here's a thought. Perhaps it has something to do with denial. Work it out for yourself from there. :rolleyes:

Now, well, now I'm angry. Pity I live so far from McDonalds. Looks like it's a bucket of lard and a spoon for me!

Nala

Originally posted by the OPThe whole show, was basicly a bunch of fat people being utter muppets to the camera moaning that they cant do anything. I understand that its not fair being left out in certain activities, but when it comes to other peoples health and safety there is no reason that things should change (imo) just to suit them. When they went into the theme park there was certain rollercoasters that they couldnt go on because they didnt fit in the seats. They complained and said the seats should be bigger to acompany them. How in gods name is that going to make the ride safer for skinny people?

Exactly. I watched that programme and I just thought they were a shower of whingebags. Moaning about being fat but not eating healthily. They went to a theme park, moaned about not fitting in the seats and then went and got chips!

Another point they worked on was the fact that 1 out of 10 shops in the uk cater for the 18+ sizes. They took all of this to the executives of the companies and interviewed such and such a person infront of the camera what what not, basicly asking for a reason to why they dont cater for people of these sizes.. Do they not realise that there is a certain market that these people aim to please? They are running a business ffs, if they see no profit margins in supplying those sizes, why should they waste money on it? They have female only car insurance yet noone gives a toss about that.. The point with that is, they have a market which they aim to please.

The majority of people are not as big as the people in that programme, shops do not make much profit out of catering for the minority.

I'm sorry, but the size of the people in that programme, I don't expect everyone to be stick thin but how big do some people have to get before they think they might have to lose some weight? And not one of them seemed to be making any attempt to lose that weight. Yet they seemed to think everyone should cater to them.

phil

I'm not going to comment on much here apart from the fact that I think walking is a really poor way to try and lose weight. It may not be an option for the truly obese, but jogging, hard sprinting and training saves time. A bit of hard graft (obviously it's harder than walking). Walking is a good way to kick off an exercise regime, but it's a SLOW way to see results.

Exercise is the best way to lose weight, ignore diet-touting. Eating well is part of being healthy, but changing what you eat on a permanent basis is what you need to do. Exercise and being active is the best way to lose weight.

I'm neither a fitness expert or anyone professional to give advice, but I think it's safe to say it's the common sense approach that keeps the majority of people healthy and well sized.

Like everything in life you need to put in the effort. It comes easier to some people who have sport involved in their lives. I've seen plenty of people have very good results by putting in a bit of effort. Anyone doing so should be encouraged.

BlitzKrieg

HavoK wrote:

I eat ****loads of cheap meat blitzkrieg (what do I always automatically spell that wrong first time) and get about 6 hours sleep a night.... and I'm in pretty good shape! I don't eat like a bird either.

I wasnt saying it as an excuse, just pointing to that numerous factors have to be taken in when it comes to weight changes

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6666225/

slipss

Pigman II wrote:

Yeah I do find this bulimic love hard to swallow.

lol ahhh man, I nearly passed out just then, haven't laughed so much in about a month, that was worthy of Airplane!.

LegacyUser

i watched that, what a bag of complete 5hite.