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Irish army weapons

KdjaCL

Anyone know the exact rifles of the irish army?

From anti tank ...lol to assault

kdjac

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Bam Bam

The Bren is a grand weapon, Its light and accurate, and easier to maintain thaen the GPMG. Its only real disadvantage is that it uses a magazine instead of a belt so its ammo, and firing rate is limited.

For sheer power the GPMG can't be beat, Its just a pain in the arse to carry.

Mick86

ThatGuy wrote:

Bren LMG .303(light machine gun in use by rdf only)

You would think that by now these would be de-commisioned. I'm in the RDF, and we have to know how to disassemble and clean this gun. We won't even be firing them because the ammo isn't being produced anymore (but feel free to correct me on that).
In any other country these guns would be in museums or something; but in Ireland it's just a case of "sure feck it, just give them to the FCA/RDF"

/rant over

The British Army converted them to 7.62mm and used them until quite recently.

Maskhadov

The FCA does exist anymore. There is now a reserve defence force that mirrors the permament defence force in both equipment (broadly speaking)and structure.

The Bren LMG is being phased out as part of the re-org. Most units should have access to the GPMG.

GerryRyan

Bren LMG .303(light machine gun in use by rdf only)

You would think that by now these would be de-commisioned. I'm in the RDF, and we have to know how to disassemble and clean this gun. We won't even be firing them because the ammo isn't being produced anymore (but feel free to correct me on that).
In any other country these guns would be in museums or something; but in Ireland it's just a case of "sure feck it, just give them to the FCA/RDF"

/rant over

Mick86

Maskhadov wrote:

Yes they are totally different. Flak jackets are an earlier invention. They didnt have steel plates or kevlar. They were just designed to stop or slow down peices of flak or secondary splinters from killing you. These secondary splinters usually were flying at a lower velocity. A bullet will pass right through two sides of a flak jacket no problem.

Body armour as its name suggests will stop a certain amount of ball amunition.

Body armour is just a modern term for flak jacket. Flak jackets now come with little pouches on chest and back where you can slip in a kevlar plate. They'll save your life if the enemy hits the plate although I wouldn't put any money on one stopping a .5 round or even a 7.62 at close range.

Flak%20Vest.JPG

Vietnam era flak jacket

Modern flak jacket with the pouch for the plate evident.

cushtac

muletide wrote:

not now but as soon as i have worn the new armour on operations i will let you know what i think of it. as opposed to just speculate about what its like. Walter

Funnily enough I didn't speculate on what the new armour is like, I actually questioned how someone could do so after only seeing a picture of it. So you might want to actually read something before passing comment on it.

As for me being a walter, I sell this stuff for a living so I have to know what I'm talking about. I've supplied vests to Gardai, security companies and to the likes of journalists & business people who are operating in dangerous parts of the world. It's not waltering if it's part of your job.

Hagar

Calm down lads. We all learn something here listening to each other.
I've often learned I'm wrong, but I learned from it all the same.

muletide

not now but as soon as i have worn the new armour on operations i will let you know what i think of it. as opposed to just speculate about what its like. Walter

cushtac

Do you have anything useful to contribute yourself?

Maskhadov

case closed.

muletide

Lads give it a break no one really cares which one of ye knows more. If ye want to compare willy sizes go to IMO

cushtac

Other than symantics, do you want to disagree with anything else I've said on the subject?

cushtac

Maskhadov wrote:

Yes they are totally different. Flak jackets are an earlier invention. They didnt have steel plates or kevlar. They were just designed to stop or slow down peices of flak or secondary splinters from killing you. These secondary splinters usually were flying at a lower velocity. A bullet will pass right through two sides of a flak jacket no problem.

Body armour as its name suggests will stop a certain amount of ball amunition.

I know what a flak jacket is, I've already said where the term came from. The term 'flak jacket' is now a generic term for body armour, much like 'hoover' is used to describe all vacumn cleaners. The PDF call their current-issue body armour, which is made of kevlar and is capable of taking ballistic plates, as a 'flakker'.

The Irish call them flakkers, the Yanks call their vests the Interceptor or IBA, UK police call their vests stabbies or PPE - all different names for the same thing, body armour.

Case in point: http://www.niton999.co.uk/new/bodyarmour.asp
http://www.bulletproofme.com/
http://www.vestguard.co.uk/productselect.php?t_id=1%20&t_name=Body%20Armour

Three different sites, all selling different types of protective kit called 'body armour'. There's plenty more companies out there doing the same thing, are you telling me they're all using the wrong terminology?

Maskhadov

cushtac wrote:

So why did you think that body armour and flak jackets, both general terms for the same thing, were different items of protective equipment?

Yes they are totally different. Flak jackets are an earlier invention. They didnt have steel plates or kevlar. They were just designed to stop or slow down peices of flak or secondary splinters from killing you. These secondary splinters usually were flying at a lower velocity. A bullet will pass right through two sides of a flak jacket no problem.

Body armour as its name suggests will stop a certain amount of ball amunition.

cushtac

This was discussed here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054965463

joebhoy1916

cushtac wrote:

I happen to sell body armour for a living, and I can tell you that you haven't a clue.

You sell body armour as in bullet proof jacket's? Do you have to some kinda license to buy one of them? Just curious how much are they?

cushtac

Maskhadov wrote:

I have served in the military. I know a darn sight more than you do.

So why did you think that body armour and flak jackets, both general terms for the same thing, were different items of protective equipment?

Maskhadov

I have served in the military. I know a darn sight more than you do.

cushtac

Maskhadov wrote:

Well if its proper body armour then the plates are usually VERY thick. flak jackets on the other hand are a lot thinner but arent up to much.

I happen to sell body armour for a living, and I can tell you that you haven't a clue.

Flirstly, flak jacket is a colloquial term that does not refer to a particular type of body armour. It comes from the heavy body armour issued to some Allied bomber crews in WW2 to protect them from German anti-aircraft flak, hence the term.

Secondly, you're confusing hard and soft armour. Hard armour consists of plates made from ceramic or synthetic materials. It's worn in conjuction with the flexible soft armour, which is made from synthetic fibres. Depending on the materials used, the plates used in body armour can range from 1 to 4 centimetres in thickness with the average thickness coming in around 2.5/3cm - not what I'd call 'VERY thick'.

Thirdly, the performance of body armour is very subjective - that's why armour carries a rating to tell you what it protects against. The soft portion of your average military vest is rated at NiJ level IIIA, this provides useful protection against handguns and low-velocity shrapnel (grenades etc.) To say they 'aren't up to much' shows an ignorance of body armour - it's like putting an Impreza up against an F1 car, watch it get beaten around the track & then writing the Impreza off as slow.

Fourthly, how you're able to determine the thickness of the plates (if there are any) being worn in the pictures is beyond me. The soldiers in the pics tend to be holding weapons in front of their chests, making any identification of the plates impossible.

Maskhadov

cushtac wrote:

What do you know about body armour that allows you to determine it's usefulness from looking at it? :rolleyes:

Well if its proper body armour then the plates are usually VERY thick. flak jackets on the other hand are a lot thinner but arent up to much.

Mick86

Victor wrote:

Hand Grenades. M72A1 is LAW.

Google finds nothing meaningful for NR-2B.

He means the NR423. It's on page 4 of this PDF file.

https://naveodtechdiv.jeodnet.mil/IraqOIG/PDF-low/05-Grenade.pdf

cushtac

Maskhadov wrote:

The DF has got new body armour (doesnt look up to much)

What do you know about body armour that allows you to determine it's usefulness from looking at it? :rolleyes:

Maskhadov

The DF also got Sophie thermal imaging equipment

Field Deployable HQs Containers......on page 26 of this document.. could be better images though

http://www.military.ie/images/pdfs%20for%202006/annualreport05_eng.pdf

Hagar

I remember using the Argus 69 ( sp.) , but that was many moons ago.

Victor

Manic Moran wrote:

Irish are the M72A1 and NR-2B, if memory serves. Quite handy little light yokes, egg-shaped, great for pegging.

Hand Grenades.

M72A1 is LAW.

Google finds nothing meaningful for NR-2B.

Maskhadov

The DF has got new body armour (doesnt look up to much) new helmets and new chest rigs for the PDF. It has also got new night vision which looks incredibly flat (something akin to those new flashy digital cameras in terms of dimensions).

babybundy

the ones with the cannons are for the cavi and i tought i saw in an cosintor it was more i think it was some thing in the range of 15 for the cav a couple of troop carriers some medic's and some comand posts

Maskhadov

The defence forces are ordering 15 more mowags. A few will be armed with a 30mm cannon. See attached picture,

The DF should have got this as standard on all of the mowags.

Here is the medical variant.. the DF is getting 4 i belive

Here is the command and control variant .. not to sure how many of these were getting

Manic Moran

Victor wrote:

What grenades are used?

Better than the American ones.

Irish are the M72A1 and NR-2B, if memory serves. Quite handy little light yokes, egg-shaped, great for pegging.

When I first played with the American M-67, which is an absolutely archaic base-ball of metal with a fuse on the end, I was astounded. Still makes a hell of a bang, but nowhere near as chuckable.

NTM

babybundy

Victor wrote:

What grenades are used?

ones that go bang:D