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Ireland/Eire

dbnavan

I was having a conversation with a friend of mine this evening who informed me that he read somewhere that from 01/01/07 Ireland will be officially named Eire in Europe anyone else here this.

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

yeah, a couple of people over on the politics forum

Heyes

It will actually be called "Eire Ireland"

Wishbone Ash

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054952974

casanova_kid

I always thought it was Eireann, Eire is the kind of thing that comes up on the BBC.

Rhyme

Heyes wrote:

It will actually be called "Eire Ireland"

Bwaha ha ha... like 'UCD Dublin'

MrJoeSoap

Sects of disconnection and traditions of lost faith,
No culture's worth a stream of piss or a bullet in my face.

dbnavan

Mods please delete this thread, didnt realise its been discussed in Politics. Have been pulled up recently about posting in wrong area, my mistake sorry, should have looked.

Taters

casanova_kid wrote:

I always thought it was Eireann, Eire is the kind of thing that comes up on the BBC.

It is Eireann. But some people say Eire. There are loads of diffrent ways that people say it. I say Eireann.

slipss

Taters wrote:

It is Eireann. But some people say Eire. There are loads of diffrent ways that people say it. I say Eireann.

I think it's Eire when just written down on its own. I believe that its only Eireann when used in a sentence with a possesive, as in I live in Ireland or Soldiers of Ireland I think thats what my Irish teacher told me in school.

zuma

Taters wrote:

It is Eireann. But some people say Eire. There are loads of diffrent ways that people say it. I say Eireann.

Hmmmm!

I wonder if any one else heard to jockey.. kieran Fallon or something story being reported on TodayFM this morning at 11:00?

Well a woman was reading out the charges, of the jockey and then gave his address as being in "Eire" or as close as she could get to pronouncing it.

Honestly, is it official British Government policy to refer to this country while speaking English as Éire to differentiate us from the real Ireland(the one part of the UK)?

Kwekubo

casanova_kid wrote:

I always thought it was Eireann, Eire is the kind of thing that comes up on the BBC.

Éire is the Irish for Ireland. Éireann means "of Ireland", e.g. Poblacht na hÉireann, Republic of Ireland. But you're right, British media tend to use Éire unnecessarily when referring to the republic.

MonkeyTennis

its on our stamps

englander

Christ on a bike, if you can't decide between yourselves what it is called, how the hell are we supposed to know ?

r3nu4l

There was a guy on Newstalk yesterday talking about the confusion over Éire, Irish Republic, Republic of Ireland etc. Didn't catch all of it but he said himself that the issue has to be cleared up because of confusion in the constitution and the law. Apparently this is another attempt to close existing loopholes as well as get one single, recognised name for the country.

What bugs me here is that in Cambridge anytime I post something home I go through this rigmarole:

Postmaster: Where to?
Me: Republic of Ireland
Postmaster: Ireland? Northern Ireland or Southern Ireland?
Me: Republic of Ireland :rolleyes:
Postmaster: Is that Southern Ireland? (as if it is part of the UK, I kid you not :mad:)
Me: The republic of Ireland please!:mad:
Postmaster: Éire?
Me: Yes. The republic of Ireland please!!
Postmaster: Southern Ireland, that'll be...

Now, I know I'm being stubborn but after the first few times of being asked "Southern Ireland?" as if it was still a part of the UK (you have to be there to get the demeanour), I got p1ssed off and decided to be as stubborn as them

zuma wrote:

Well a woman was reading out the charges, of the jockey and then gave his address as being in "Eire" or as close as she could get to pronouncing it.

Yes, I heard this, she pronounced it "Eerie" as in spooky :rolleyes:

Wishbone Ash

zuma wrote:

kieran Fallon
gave his address as being in "Eire"

I thought he lived in Newmarket (UK one).

EWheelChair

englander wrote:

Christ on a bike, if you can't decide between yourselves what it is called, how the hell are we supposed to know ?

Haha, fair point.

Hagar

englander wrote:

Christ on a bike, if you can't decide between yourselves what it is called, how the hell are we supposed to know ?

We do know. Just as the Germans know their country is Deutchland when spoken of in the German language and Germany when spoken of in the English language. For some reason the English can't grasp the dual language concept and refer to Ireland as Éire when speaking in English.

I see you exhibit the same problem yourself.
Is'nt "englander" German for Englishman? Why didn't you just call yourself "Englishman"?

r3nu4l

Yay, go Hagar!

In general (there are a few minor exceptions) the English just can't seem to bring themselves to say Republic of Ireland. It seems to stick in their throats

county

republic of ireland
*clears throat*;)

r3nu4l

county wrote:

republic of ireland
*clears throat*;)

Oh yeah? See the lowercase 'i'...typical :rolleyes:

[Paranoia]Trying to subjugate us with a lowercase 'i', typical superiority complex[/Paranoia];)

county

lol:D

monkeyfudge

The country is actually called Ireland by the way.

Look at your passport.

The Republic of Ireland is just yet another way of differentiating between North and South.

r3nu4l

monkeyfudge wrote:

The country is actually called Ireland by the way.

Look at your passport.

The Republic of Ireland is just yet another way of differentiating between North and South.

Gee thanks for that, I really wasn't aware of that until I looked at my passport! :rolleyes:

For the case of Royal Mail postage, you have to differentiate between Republic and Northern Ireland as the rates are different, so I'm trying to meet them half way, give a little, get a little. Know what I mean? Try going into a post office in the UK and asking to post something to "Ireland" without differentiating and you won't get very far!

nickcave

As far as I know, 'Republic of Ireland' is only the name used by FIFA for the soccer team. I use it myself, but according to the constitution, we should all be saying Eire. As for Eireann, I'd imagine that's some spoken variant which now dominates taught Irish. It has nothing to do with "of Ireland" as someone pointed out. I wouldn't blame the BBC or any Englanders for saying Eire, seeing as it's in the constitution, but it's the old Celtic name for the island and lays claim to all 32 counties and is therefore inaccurate and obsolete. I blame the teary-eyed republican who drew up the constitution back in the 20's. He went for the romantic, but it's just confusing.

monkeyfudge

In the constitution it says:

"The name of the State is Éire, or, in the English language, Ireland."

So you should only really call it Éire if you happen to be speaking Irish.

Pherekydes

r3nu4l wrote:

Postmaster: Where to?
Me: Republic of Ireland

The correct name is Ireland, as has been pointed out, or Éire as Gaeilge. But you should know that, being an Irishman...

Nobody ever refers to The Republic of France, or the Federal Republic of Germany, or the Russian Federation, or the Republic of Italy, etc.

monkeyfudge

Slow coach wrote:

The correct name is Ireland, as has been pointed out, or Éire as Gaeilge. But you should know that, being an Irishman...

He's already gone over that one.

But there are a huge amount of people out there who genuinely think the name of the country is The Republic of Ireland. I blame soccer.

Sad Professor

the problem i believe isn't with ireland/eire etc as they are both the correct name for our country according to the constitution. the problem really started after we declared ourselves a republic, which was really just a way of fully casting off the brits. the name of our country is ireland, its just respectful to call it the republic of ireland in aknowledgement of our independence.

thats my understanding of it anyway