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Royce Gracie Vs. Matt Hughes announced at May UFC

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Its been announced. I cant see Royce getting anything but messed up at this one.

Matt Hughes by G n P Round 2

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Tim_Murphy

:eek: Fair play to him and all but...

dunkamania

Its hard to see Royce winning that one..............

..................A congenital heart defect has apparently felled Hughes moments before he could enter the ring.:)

ricey

Well im all for Royce in this fight, I just cant stand matt Hughes.

Baldie

Matt Hughes by thumping the living **** out of Royce Gracie... Excuse my french...

dlofnep

Yeah was watching it today. Royce is stepping up and fightign some real competition. Fair play to him.

damo

hes definately showed that he has alot more balls than rickson throughout his career...but i think this fight must be purely for the money - theres no way hes gonna beat hughes, if he thinks he can than hes a fool

Dragan

Is it not Matt Hughes who said that when two people step in the ring anything can happen?

mark.leonard

Dragan wrote:

Is it not Matt Hughes who said that when two people step in the ring anything can happen?

Agreed, but the odds are heavily, heavily against Royce in this one.

Dragan

Yeah , but only if Matt Huges doesn't underestimate him. I hope Matt doesn't, and trains his heart out for the fight, cuz i don't want to see him make the same mistake he made against Penn and walk in overconfident.

If he gives Gracie any opening Gracie will be on it like white on rice. Matt will win as long as he does not make any mistakes.

As such it's really a win win situation for Royce. If Matt wins it will be what is expected, in Royce wins it will be uproar. Plain and simple.

Valmont

Look what happened to Matt when he fought BJ Penn, Royce has equal if not better BJJ than Bj. Everone is saying G'N'P by matt but Royce wants to be on his back and he's subbed guys way heavier than him from this position.

Dragan

You can have all the BJJ you want to be honest, if a fighter like Hughes knows your brining it then it effectiveness is dulled. Look at Evan Tanner when he took on Terrell. Terrell is a BJJ blackbelt who had never had a point scored against him. SO he was a BJJ blackbelt who would easily submit other BJJ blackbelts. Tanner stood with him and rocked him, Terrell went for the take down which Tanner defended well, got Terrell against the cage and beat on him until the ref called an end to it.

The reason Penn schooled Hughes was because Hughes took the match lightly, as far as he was concerned he would be stronger and more dominant then Penn as Penn was coming up a class and even Hughes has said that he could fight as 185 with ease, but when you can make the weight for any class then your in. So Hughes was expecting to go in and control Penn. This was a mistake as Penn is an extrememly talented guy and Hughes just was not able to shake him. Hughes has also come along way with reversing subs and chokes since.

Sure, Royce can be a wildcard, but if you don't see that the advantage goes to Hughes then your crazy. Hughes will be prepared this time , against Penn he was not and failure to prepare is preparing to fail.

mark.leonard

B.J. is a complete MMA fighter and about ten times the fighter that Royce is, I think B.J. beat Matt because on that day he was better than Matt. I really can't see that happening with Royce, if it goes past the first round in fact I'll be surprised.As a friend of mine put it - with the signing of this match they have legalised murder in the state of Nevada!

Dragan

mark.leonard wrote:

B.J. is a complete MMA fighter and about ten times the fighter that Royce is

Bingo

Ph3n0m

will this be televised anywhere or do we have to wait for the dvd?

Dragan

twil most likely make it to brave before the dvd comes out.

Ph3n0m

hehehehehe, you said "twil"

Clive

Valmont what are you basing Royce having equal or better BJJ than Penn on? Most people would definitely say the other way around!

Props to Royce! I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't think Hughes will be able to finish Royce (unless he keeps it stadning, which he won't).

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Props to Royce! I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't think Hughes will be able to finish Royce (unless he keeps it stadning, which he won't).

I think Matt Hughes will look to keep the fight standing and to be honest with standups and Royces Standup/Clinch range I dont think that he can win this one. All he can hope is to lie down and hope matt gets annoyed enough to want follow him into his guard and pound him. Then... Royce might be able to last 3 rounds.

Clive

columok wrote:

I think Matt Hughes will look to keep the fight standing and to be honest with standups and Royces Standup/Clinch range I dont think that he can win this one.

That would be the sensible thing to do, but I still think Hughes will take him down and get stuck in Royce's guard.

Valmont

Clive wrote:

Valmont what are you basing Royce having equal or better BJJ than Penn on? Most people would definitely say the other way around!

Props to Royce! I'll go out on a limb and say that I don't think Hughes will be able to finish Royce (unless he keeps it stadning, which he won't).

Eh... He's a Gracie? I just assumed because he is the Royce Gracie who introduced everyone to BJJ and has been doing it way longer than Bj.Sorry. Basically my point is if anyone can submit Matt Hughes then Royce Gracie has just as good a chance as anyone.
Although it could be like when people said that Rich Franklin couldn't handle Ken Shamrock, man were they wrong.

Dragan

Even if Huges does get stuck in Royces guard then the victory will be his. You can't win be defending afterall, so unless Royce is far more active that Hughes ( which i don't see ) then he will lose.

I still reckon Hughes will go for a big takedown into side control against the fence. He might be will to trade with Royce for a while, but eventually Royce will be looking to take it to the ground and once again it would be better for Hughes to be in his guard than vice versa.

I still say Hughes takes him down, side control against the fence and pounds on him until Big John calls it over.

Arnagan

dlofnep wrote:

Yeah was watching it today. Royce is stepping up and fightign some real competition. Fair play to him.

I see Royce winning the fight by submission no later than the 4th round, the 5th; only if Hughes has his best day ever defending against it.

Arnagan

damo wrote:

hes definately showed that he has alot more balls than rickson throughout his career...but i think this fight must be purely for the money - theres no way hes gonna beat hughes, if he thinks he can than hes a fool

Why would u say that? Royce has beaten stronger wrestlers than Hughes (Savern & Shamrock), is heavier than Hughes, and more experienced.
And as for needing money, u think he already spent the million dollars K-1 paid him last new years for defeating Akebono?

Colm_OReilly

Me and Nunu, we been doin kickboxing for 15 years man, a lotta people tend to forget that!

Dragan

Didn't Nanu recently fight Frank Shamrock, or was i dreaming that?

damo

Arnagan wrote:

Why would u say that? Royce has beaten stronger wrestlers than Hughes (Savern & Shamrock), is heavier than Hughes, and more experienced.
And as for needing money, u think he already spent the million dollars K-1 paid him last new years for defeating Akebono?

Hah! when he beat Severn and Shamrock there was no such thing as modern MMA as we know it - Severn and Shamrock didnt have a clue how to counter BJJ.

Matt Hughes is a complete modern mma fighter & it is my opinion that he will b!tch slap Royce around the cage.

Do I think he has spent the million dollars from K-1? Duhhh...I dunno matey but heres a life lesson for you: You have to maximise your earning potential during your career. Do you think in a few years time people will be offering him that kind of money to fight? He is cashing in one of his last big paycheques from fighting. Where would Bill Gates be now if he stopped working after making his first million? Certainly not the richest man in the world anyway thats for sure.

Arnagan

damo wrote:

Hah! when he beat Severn and Shamrock there was no such thing as modern MMA as we know it -

Vale Tudo's been going on in brazil since the 50's bra, its just new to us outside that country. And as for modern MMA? Its pattycake compaired to what goes on there.

<<Severn and Shamrock didnt have a clue how to counter BJJ.>>

I was compairing them to hughes in regards to strength actually. I don't believe Matt's strength as a wrestler is gonna benifit him as much as some may think.
I don't believe Matt's gnp, minus head butts, minus knees to the head of a prone opponent r gonna do much more than maybe wear Royce down a little. More likely than not, Matt Huhes will try standing till Royces reach annoys him, he'll go right into Royces guard where he'll fall back on what he knows best (GNP) and Royce will slowly but surely work his way up into a submission.
Oh and I'm betting Royce takes this fight wearing a gi.

<<Matt Hughes is a complete modern mma fighter & it is my opinion that he will b!tch slap Royce around the cage.>>

I dunno, I really don't believe u believe that. A person really confident of such a claim IMHO, wouldn't put it that way. Sounds more like wishful thinking, which I can understand.

mark.leonard

Arnagan wrote:

Vale Tudo's been going on in brazil since the 50's bra, its just new to us outside that country. And as for modern MMA? Its pattycake compaired to what goes on there.

Dear oh dear! If Royce was a veteran of these secret Brazilian MMA events do you not think it would be reflected in his performance in other events like Pride? (where he fought like a tired old man by the way)
Royce has not got an MMA record from Brazil or anywhere else that would allow him to take advantage of the Brazilian experience in MMA.

Arnagan wrote:

I was compairing them to hughes in regards to strength actually. I don't believe Matt's strength as a wrestler is gonna benifit him as much as some may think.
I don't believe Matt's gnp, minus head butts, minus knees to the head of a prone opponent r gonna do much more than maybe wear Royce down a little. More likely than not, Matt Huhes will try standing till Royces reach annoys him, he'll go right into Royces guard where he'll fall back on what he knows best (GNP) and Royce will slowly but surely work his way up into a submission.

Matt Hughes is ten times the wrestler that either Severn or Ken Shamrock is, and he is probably the strongest pound for pound fighter in MMA. If Matt's GnP (which has ALWAYS been minus headbutts and knees to the head) is of such trivial value how has he managed to destroy so many people with his ground control in the past?
DO you really think that if people like Sean Sherk and GSP couldn't submit him that someone with Jiu Jitsu as dated as Royce will be able to? That is just plain ignoring the facts!

Arnagan wrote:

Oh and I'm betting Royce takes this fight wearing a gi.

Well then you would be betting wrong as wearing the gi is against Nevada State Athletic Commission rules AFAIK.

Arnagan wrote:

I dunno, I really don't believe u believe that. A person really confident of such a claim IMHO, wouldn't put it that way. Sounds more like wishful thinking, which I can understand.

I really think he does believe that as I think it is a belief shared by many people! Certainly it is the belief of everyone I know.

damo

Riiiiiight.

Lets just agree to disagree.

Dragan

Hughes is a hugley strong 170 pound guy, if you think that won't help him in ANY fight then your an idiot.

MMA now compared to MMA back then is a totally different beast, there is far more involved now than when Royce and Frankie hugged each other for 30 mins.

There is no point in bringing Vale Tudo into it, as this is not a Vale Tudo match and therefore it doesn't matter a ****. That's kinda like comparing Cage Rage to Finn Fight.... ****ing pointless.

If you knew anything about the fight you would know that Royce has agreed to fight under the UFC clothing criteria....... no gi.

Hughes has done nothing but improve his whole career, and he is at a perfect point to take on someone like Royce. A lot of people will make big about a lot of things, but at the end of the day the two people who seem to be taking this thing the easiest are the two fighters.

To quote Royce " Matt is a great fighter and I am a great fighter. We will see the way things go on the day."

To quote Matt " People ask me how i'm not getting complacent. I just keep saying his name , Royce Gracie. You gotta respect that name, and his ability and what he's done."

Just chill out and enjoy the fight folks!