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Cork Development

lexington

Sorry for moving this thread around - but I think it's probably more suited to this forum rather than Investments & Markets

Cork: Architecture & Development ->http://www.archiseek.com/content/showthread.php?t=4127

A link worth considering. The broader site also contains some very interesting topics - especially those of you with an interest in architecture.

Revenue Commissioners Announcement

The OPW have indicated their intention to announce the successful Revenue Commissioners tenancy bid for next week. The contest has been a long and tough one with some good proposals forwarded. The likes of The Shipton Group, Kenny Group and McCarthy Developments had all forwarded pitches, however, in the end only 2 proposals came down to the final tie with a proposal set for the former 'Susie's Field' quarry off Assumption Road in Blackpool, now looking set to bring home the 'trophy'. Ascon Rohcon Limited who have championed a planning permission attained by auctioneer/developers Joe Carey & Frank Sheahan are claiming to be dead-cert in having attained Revenue Commissioner tenancy. The subject proposal attained permission in July 2003 following a lengthy planning process beginning back in 2001. Designed by Jack Coughlan & Associates, the scheme was granted with permission for 397 basement car-parking spaces over 2 decks and 13,511sq m of additional commercial space of which the bulk is open plan office space. A provision of 250sq m of retail space will be made for local services use. The new building will extend to 4-floors over the basement car-parking with the structure's profile generally aligning with the quarry slopes.

Susie's Field site indicated in purple. Not shown is the new link road between the Blackpool By-Pass and Pope's Road which also graces the western periphery of the site.

If Theo Cullinane (of Ascon) is endorsed by the OPW announcement next week, it will mean up to 600 of the Revenue Commissioners staff will leave Sullivans Quay in the city centre and travel to the northern suburb breaches. Should the case be verified, construction on the project is likely to commence early in 2006. It will mean the loss of McCarthy Developments contestancy who provided a highly attractive docklands alternative of 8-storeys along Centre Park Road, designed by Murray O'Laoire (see below). As part of the deal, Ascon Rohcon & Joe Carey/Frank Sheahan will also acquire the valuable 0.75acre Government Buildings site at Sullivans Quay which, subject to some site foundation modifications, is capable of providing a landmark commercial scheme which would have adequate scope for a new city centre cinema facility (in lieu of the Capitol Cineplex closure and its prospective redevelopment see here -> http://www.archiseek.com/content/showpost.php?p=43573&postcount=1128). Any redevelopment of Sullivans Quay will demand a superb architectural standard utilising the exceptional vista afforded down the soon-to-be renewed Grand Parade (designed by Beth Gali & Associates).

Also on the subject of Ascon Rohcon, who are now pushing further into development activity in Cork city centre, the group are linked to a holding on Albert Quay which adjoins the recently purchased Doyle Warehousing facility (0.5acres) sold recently to Howard Holdings for an estimated €9m to €10m.

Paul Kenny's proposal, designed by Wilson Architecture - no longer in the RC bid running.

McCarthy Developments' Centre Park Road proposal designed by Murray O'Laoire.

It is unfortunate that the 2 proposals depicted in the images above have not attained RC tenancy, from a city centre urban renewal perspective. However, does this mean the projects are lost entirely? Not necessarily. McCarthy Developments, who hold full planning on their proposal, may yet decide to proceed with it on a more 'independent' basis - as for the Kenny proposal, a number of options remain with this scheme, including a phased development or change of use of certain elements to create a more mixed use approach - should its appeal prove successful.

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evie

Apologies, head must have been elsewhere.
I meant, of course, the Capitol and Central Shoe Stores development.

smackbunnybaby

evie wrote:

Apologies, head must have been elsewhere.
I meant, of course, the Capitol and Central Shoe Stores development.

i heard IKEA are moving in there

evie

Are you sure? Generally, IKEA go for suburb locations, more parking, cheaper rent/land etc.
Would be fantastic though!

smackbunnybaby

ah i was only joking!!
the old "empire" is safe for now evie!

but on a related note, I was listening to the radio and they were saying in big cities IKEA are now looking to move into the centre.i cant remember the reasons why but it is true.

boardy

It makes sense for them to locate in the middle of big cities because their furniture is ideal for the apartment dweller. From my experience with IKEA, it was a pain getting to the suburbs to get their furniture.

lexington

evie wrote:

Apologies, head must have been elsewhere.
I meant, of course, the Capitol and Central Shoe Stores development.

There are numerous issues concerning the plan that need to be ironed out yet - first off, finalisation on the site grouping needs to be configured, then detailled design and finally planning. Pre-planning discussions have been held but I doubt we will see an application until later this year at the earliest.

boardy wrote:

It makes sense for them to locate in the middle of big cities because their furniture is ideal for the apartment dweller. From my experience with IKEA, it was a pain getting to the suburbs to get their furniture.

Interestingly IKEA UK have indicated that they are seeking now for more favourable city locations rather than suburban locations which the deem to be less profitable.

dowlingm

If the Munster Ag Soc moved out to Ballincollig, it would be nice to see that area really revamped, maybe with CAB being pitched out of that awkward monahan's road location and alternative access provided to the Blackrock road via the Marina. A lot of people use Monahan's road to Ballintemple and I'm sure the locals aren't thrilled about it.

For people heading to the Tunnel from the Commercial Park that could be very nice, and obviously a light rail link along the old Passage West alignment would be better still. The idea in the City Plan for a pedestrian walk is grand and all, but Cork needs light rail on the south side and especially with Mahon Point, the Pairc and the docklands on the alignment with the possibility of running it through town to UCC/CIT/CUH/Ballincollig/County Hall.

http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=cork,+ireland&btnG=Search&ll=51.898555,-8.436019&spn=0.005958,0.021629&t=h

evie

smackbunnybaby wrote:

ah i was only joking!!
the old "empire" is safe for now evie!

Aha, tis you! Thought it was a bit cooincidental! Don't know if the empire is safe, tink there's a disturbance in the force!! Good to hear from you!

damien

dowlingm wrote:

. A lot of people use Monahan's road to Ballintemple and I'm sure the locals aren't thrilled about it.

We ain't.

The idea in the City Plan for a pedestrian walk is grand and all, but Cork needs light rail on the south side and especially with Mahon Point, the Pairc and the docklands on the alignment with the possibility of running it through town to UCC/CIT/CUH/Ballincollig/County Hall.

Very valid point. I was thinking the same. That walkway would make a good tram line.

mickeydocs

Happy New Year Lex... let's hope Cork continues apace in 2006

lynchtp

mickeydocs wrote:

Happy New Year Lex

You kept this place quiet.

parasite

damien.m wrote:

Very valid point. I was thinking the same. That walkway would make a good tram line.

there was a plan last year to turn this into a green bus route but it was shot down very fast, way too many people use it for exercise and whatnot
/shrug

thejuggler

Lexington seems to have gone to ground again. Any chance of a reappearance either here or on archiseek? Your informed posts are much missed.

Nina_Angelica

Would anyone happen to have the web address' of projects like
Camden Court and Water Street, etc.?

Do the builders have an actual website for people to view who might be interested in purchasing a unit?

boardy

Nina_Angelica wrote:

Would anyone happen to have the web address' of projects like
Camden Court and Water Street, etc.?

Do the builders have an actual website for people to view who might be interested in purchasing a unit?

Generally, the auctioneer would have them listed on their sites. A Google search gave me this information on Camden Court:
http://www.hok.ie/residential/displaycorknewhomes.aspx?prop_id=10004962

Nina_Angelica

boardy wrote:

Generally, the auctioneer would have them listed on their sites. A Google search gave me this information on Camden Court:
http://www.hok.ie/residential/displaycorknewhomes.aspx?prop_id=10004962

Thanks for that!

I was hoping to find actual websites where you can read about the builder, the project, maybe view floorplans etc. oh well, it's grand.

hunnymonster

Does anyone know if there exists an up to date listing of all the new developments in Cork that have unit available. myhome.ie frustrating because so often you ring up to find everything is gone.

Nina_Angelica

Try www.daft.ie that was always my pick.

hunnymonster

daft is even worse than myhome for leaving stuff up when they are all sold.

bippy

Just a suggestion, but as part of the docklands redevelpment how about the GAA, Cork city council and a developer (Howard Holdings?) knocking Pairc Ui Chaoimh and developing a new 50,000 all seater state of the art all purpose stadium with a conference/concert venue and training/leisure facilities (swimming pool complex, all weather pitches,parks etc) on that site and also on the showgrounds site.
Also the developer can as part of the agreement build offices and housing/apartments as part of the whole complex.
All week the place will be busy with people working in the area and in the evenings and weekends they will be replaced by people enjoying themselves at a match or concert or using the leisure facilities.
Portsmouth AFC are to develop something similar in their dockland area.
http://www.pompeyfc.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewStadiumDetail/0,,10396~1016037,00.html
The same Architects have designes the Allianz Arena and the Olmypic stadium in Beijing