Psychics & Mediums (ask questions here)

scorptech · 27-12-2005 7:17pm

walt0r wrote:

Psychics don't exist and please don't be taken in by them. Some of you are very suggestible/innocent/weak-minded individuals who might be taken advantage of. Don't let your hard earned money go to these frauds.

It’s nice to finally meet the world’s authority on psychic abilities!! You obviously have years of personal experience based on what you said.

But out of curiosity, what exactly is this "hindsight" based on??

walt0r · 27-12-2005 7:25pm

It's actually quite simple. There is a $1,000,000 prize up for grabs from the James Randi Educational Foundation(www.randi.org) for anybody who can demonstrate psychic abilities in a controlled enivoronment. There have been many, many applicants but nobody has even passed their preliminary tests. There's no point even pointing this out to the 'true believers' though. Heck, you probably watch Derek Acorah on Most Haunted and think his oscar performances are actual possessions. I'm so sick of watching frauds like Derek Acorah, John Edwards, etc. on their HEAVILY-edited TV shows taking advantage of vulnerable people. www.badpsychics.com tbh.

solas · 27-12-2005 7:35pm

James randi is a fraud. I suggest you do more reading on him.
All the tests he has conducted have been to his design, when someones abilties don't fit, he moves the goalposts. He has no intention of giving away 1,000,000. dollars.
Acorah, is just like Randi there are good scientists and bad scientists. (how about that top scientist chappie who lied about the stem stell results) They all start out with good intentions but a lot of people get distracted and swayed by fame and glory, the power of money. Randi is no different. You can be sure he's making a quick buck selling his shizzle too.

solas · 27-12-2005 7:44pm

heres something you might be interested in.

http://www.thewonderoftheworld.com/newsrelease-flew.php

World's Most Famous Atheist Accepts Existence of God,
Cites Modern Science!

The best-known atheist of the last 50 years, Professor Antony Flew, made the announcement in a symposium on science and religion, that the discoveries of modern science have led him to accept the existence of God. Flew was joined in the symposium by leading Israeli scientist Gerald Schroeder and noted Scottish thinker John Haldane.

walt0r · 27-12-2005 7:47pm

I have a belief in the paranormal alright. But if you are telling me psychics like Acorah are genuine then just get bent. Randi is not perfect and I have read some of those stories that you are talking about from past applicants to the prize who just failed miserably and are sore because of just that.

solas · 27-12-2005 7:53pm

waltor wrote:

But if you are telling me psychics like Acorah are genuine then just get bent.

maybe you should re read my post

me wrote:

Acorah, is just like Randi, there are good scientists and bad scientists. They all start out with good intentions but get distracted and swayed by fame and glory, the power of money.

mysteria · 27-12-2005 7:54pm

Derek Acorah is definitely not genuine. "Most haunted" is entertainment with no psychic content, he is in the same league as Uri Geller the illusionist

walt0r · 27-12-2005 7:55pm

So who are the genuine psychics? I actually am considering going to a medium next time I'm in Dublin. I really don't think I would be convinced but I'd give it a shot.

solas · 27-12-2005 8:09pm

They are few and far between. I'm not in Dublin but I hear Carol Byrne is decent and people recommend Eddie Christian, but as I haven't met either of them I can't offer an opinion. I no longer have their numbers, so maybe someone here can provide.
You could try Scorptechs links.

scorptech · 27-12-2005 8:26pm

WALT0r wrote:

So who are the genuine psychics? I actually am considering going to a medium next time I'm in Dublin. I really don't think I would be convinced but I'd give it a shot.

When you are coming to Dublin let me know and I'll put you in touch with a good medium (she does charge €80 euro an hour).

Let's just clarify something here, there is a difference between a psychic medium and a spiritualist medium. Spiritualist mediums can work both on a psychic and spiritual level, were as pychic mediums only work on a psychic level.

The newspapers have a lot to answer for calling "spiritualist mediums" psychic mediums.

The development circle members which I develop with all work on a spiritual /psychic level.

By the way, James Randi was invited by Doris Stokes twice to prove her ability, but he turned her down, twice.

mysteria · 28-12-2005 11:43am

I can't agree with you there. By definition anyone calling themselves a medium is psychic and may be spiritualist. I've never found a genuine medium who sees people for money. Despite what anyone claims, those who have moved into the spirit world are not available to commumicate every time someone trys to consult them. Be careful, it is a field full of people who can do psychological damage at worst, at best you are told a bunch of generalizations by chancers.

scorptech · 28-12-2005 4:13pm

mysteria wrote:

I can't agree with you there. By definition anyone calling themselves a medium is psychic and may be spiritualist. I've never found a genuine medium who sees people for money. Despite what anyone claims, those who have moved into the spirit world are not available to commumicate every time someone trys to consult them. Be careful, it is a field full of people who can do psychological damage at worst, at best you are told a bunch of generalizations by chancers.

Mysteria, As a person who is involved in spiritualism, been in two development circles (UK & Ireland) and has trained and taught psychology, I am well aware of the dangers, however, like all things in society today, there are always bad apples who spoil it for everyone else because of greed etc.

If a medium does not want to charge anything for a reading, than that's down to the medium. Spirit know that readings take up a mediums time so they do not have a problem if you charge, however, if someone charges way beyond the norm, then you have to ask yourself why that is.

Your comment "anyone calling themselves a medium is psychic and may be spiritualist", I disagree with this on the principle that psychic ability is based on a knowing/6th sense. I have met psychic mediums who choose not work on a spiritual level.

I do agree with you that there is no guarantee that a medium will be able to communicate with a spirit or the spirit of your choice, so if nothing happens, than a medium should not charge.

If this happens to anyone, please let me know and I will investigate it further.

mysteria · 28-12-2005 4:19pm

Have you checked my blog Scorptech?I have a lot of experience in this field too.

mysteria · 28-12-2005 4:37pm

James Randi worked for years as a psychic, and wrote books teaching "Psychic development" btw before deciding he'd make more money out of debunking. Most professional psychics can't maintain a high percentage of accuracy as it requires intense concentration and breathing techniques to access the powerful intuitive areas of the subconscious. Most so-called psychics don't even try. I had a reading from a tarot reader in a market on the Long Mile Road recently. She told me my problem was boredom with my 9 to 5 job,that I'd be renting somewhere new (unlikely as I own my house) and advised me to go for a job as a sales assistant because thats where my talents lie. I havent worked 9to5 for over 20 years, adore my work which takes me all over the world lecturing, as well as writing and teaching. Strangely she did'nt tell me I'm a "bit psychic" like most of them do. I've had thousands of readings in my time, never had any accuracy from working psychics, found some very talented enthusiastic amateurs though.

scorptech · 28-12-2005 5:49pm

mysteria wrote:

Have you checked my blog Scorptech?I have a lot of experience in this field too.

No I can't say I have. I had a look at the blog list but your name wasn't on it, so if you can point me in the right direction than I will be more than happy to have a read.

I think we both agree that we will disagree with a few things regarding spiritualism, however, weak will people or people suffering from depression should stay away from anything spiritual as they leave themselves open to manipulation by people who do not have their best interest at heart.

I was, and am, fortunate to be around people who are true to what spiritualism is, which is a way of life. Universal law, karma, positive energy etc.

This is what I am interest in, promoting the positive side of spiritualism and the way of life. You do not have to be a medium to be a spiritualist, as spiritualism is a way of life, however, most people who come into spiritualism tend to want to develop their psychic/spiritual abilities.

mysteria · 28-12-2005 5:59pm

I think if you click the word "blog" under my username you'll find my info. There is a lot more if you click on the word "more". (Not trying to be condescending)Didn't know about a blog list. Ask Margaret Neylon about me.She was running a Centre two friends of mine from New Zealand worked in.

solas · 28-12-2005 6:05pm

never had any accuracy from working psychics, found some very talented enthusiastic amateurs though.

I've found this to be the case also. I have a few theories as to why though.

pH · 28-12-2005 6:07pm

solas wrote:

James randi is a fraud. I suggest you do more reading on him.
All the tests he has conducted have been to his design, when someones abilties don't fit, he moves the goalposts. He has no intention of giving away 1,000,000. dollars.

mysteria wrote:

James Randi worked for years as a psychic, and wrote books teaching "Psychic development" btw before deciding he'd make more money out of debunking.

James Randi performed as a stage magician and escapoligist before becoming a "full time" skeptic and debunker and setting up JREF.

The $1,000,000 is very real, and now most challenge applications and the process by which both the challenger and JREF agree on the test criteria are posted on the forum attached to the site.

Can you provide me with a title for this book James Randi wrote on "Psychic Development"? Even a website with a scan of its cover would do, but I'd prefer an ISBN and publisher.

many thanks

walt0r · 28-12-2005 6:17pm

I'm sure there was a reason for Doris Stokes' application being refused. The criteria has to be agreed on beforehand and is normally negotiated between the staff and the applicant on the site. How many bogus applications(I believe ALL of them to be bogus actually) do you think JREF gets every day? Considering the amount of money involved quite a FEW I'd say!

mysteria · 28-12-2005 6:18pm

Maybe your theories are similar to mine Solas. I feel Psychic energy is inconsistent, it takes a lot of practice to switch it on at will, and focus it. Really deep relaxation is what I find helps get it flowing. It also appears to me to ebb and flow according to lunar and solar energies, and can be affected by physical factors, health, tiredness etc. I think a lot of readers start out genuine, but greed and/or ego takes over. It's a 2 way process, so trying to read for a closed mind is more difficult if you're an empath, intuitive or telepath. It doesn't affect Clairvoyants(by that I mean people with precognitive abilities, who predict the future). Such a fascinating field....

mysteria · 28-12-2005 6:19pm

Doris Stokes is a proven charlatan.

solas · 28-12-2005 6:23pm

I think a lot of readers start out genuine, but greed and/or ego takes over.

I was going o go into an indepth analysis of my own experience but this really just sums it up. I'ts also a trait that seems to be passed on to the younger generation. I don't know why.
I've been involved with quite a few and they really hate to see the free flowing amateur in total unihibited spiritual connection. In my experience I've observed them teach the unihibited to become inhibited, claiming its a requirement for psychic protection.

mysteria · 28-12-2005 6:28pm

I can't remember the name off hand, he published a book that included a set of tear-out Zenner cards and instructions on how to conduct psi experiments, it can't be hard to trace. As for his million dollars, I'll bet if I levitated across the room healing the disabled and reciting his family tree while writing his deepest secrets he would'nt pay out. He's a bit cleverer than Acorah though whose bubble is about to burst (prediction)

mysteria · 28-12-2005 6:31pm

Been there too Solas, people are threatened by what they don't understand. Sad for them really, they are missing out on a wonderful spiritual dimension that exists for us all to enjoy if we choose.

scorptech · 28-12-2005 7:09pm

mysteria wrote:

I think if you click the word "blog" under my username you'll find my info. There is a lot more if you click on the word "more". (Not trying to be condescending)Didn't know about a blog list. Ask Margaret Neylon about me.She was running a Centre two friends of mine from New Zealand worked in.

I know Margaret very well and have just been up with a friend of her's called Dr. Lewis Park. I read your blog and have no doubt that you have a good background in this subject matter, however, I suppose it's a case of "how many spiritualists does it take to change a lightbulb" Answer: 12, one to do it and the other 11 to discuss how they would do it!!

There are no hard and fast rules when working with your guide (although protection is something that most of us agree on).

Although this is not the forum, check out my website http://oym.scorpiontechnology.co.uk regarding the new world order etc which I've been studying for the last 5 years.

As for Doris Stokes, I have read her books and at the end felt that it was geared towards marketing, however, (there's always a "however"), I mentioned the James Randi thing as she mentioned this in one of her books. So as to whether she was a charlatan or not, I don't know enough about her to make a judgement. There's two sides to every biscuit, so until I hear both sides I tend to sit on the fence.

I have come across, as most people probably have in spiritualism, spiritual jealousy, spiritial ego and spiritual snobbery. These are human traits and are very hard to fight. There's not enough space to talk about this subject here, but once you are aware that they exist, than you can make sure that you, me and anyone else involved stay grounded and remember that we are only used as a communication device by spirit and that what is given can also be taken away.

solas · 30-12-2005 9:25pm

I might split and move some of this thread over to the spirituality forum where it would be more at home. Its an interesting discussion and it would do well to expand on.

6th · 31-12-2005 4:59pm

Mysteria, with regards to this thread "Good psychic Mediums", do you ahve any opinions on either Colin Fry or Tony Stockwell?

As for Derek Acorah, I am sure he does have a degree of talent though he may not spend as much time in recent years "upkeeping" his skills and therefore uses showmanship to get the crowds in.

6th

stormkeeper · 31-12-2005 5:24pm

My mum's gone off Most Haunted now... she thinks Derek is too showy-offy

Speaking of ghosts and stuff, I need to give that book back to you sometime soon... was a good book!

mysteria · 31-12-2005 5:44pm

Dublin 6th, I doubt all the TV mediums I see, I've seen Colin Fry in action a couple of times and he appeared to me to be "cold reading", fishing and dealing in generalisations. Don't think I've seen Tony Stcokwell. To be honest, I'd need to have a reading myself before judging anyone. Derek Acorah exhibits absolutely no signs of Psychic ability to me at all, because of personal contacts. I feel genuine mediums would find it hard to work under TV conditions, and in test conditions.

silverangel · 01-01-2006 7:14pm

I have the white witch's number in Cobh if anyone wants it, just pm me.

Liza · 02-01-2006 8:52pm

Hi All,

This my first time to visit this site and during my visit I have noticed some of you are looking for Dympna the medium's contact details.

If anyone needs to contact Dympna about attending a Work shop/Demonstration or one-to-one reading PM me and I will give you e-mail address.

Love & Light

arac · 03-01-2006 12:25pm

Derek Acorah is to appear on this year's celebrity big brother..say no more..

scarey · 05-01-2006 8:43pm

scorptech wrote:

When you are coming to Dublin let me know and I'll put you in touch with a good medium (she does charge €80 euro an hour).

Let's just clarify something here, there is a difference between a psychic medium and a spiritualist medium. Spiritualist mediums can work both on a psychic and spiritual level, were as pychic mediums only work on a psychic level.

The newspapers have a lot to answer for calling "spiritualist mediums" psychic mediums.

The development circle members which I develop with all work on a spiritual /psychic level.

By the way, James Randi was invited by Doris Stokes twice to prove her ability, but he turned her down, twice.

hey would you have a number for a good medium

scarey · 05-01-2006 8:46pm

have's anyone a number for a good medium, as i want to contact me sister its my first time here really so dont no what way it works:)

Zillah · 06-01-2006 1:16am

There's a suspicious number of people with 1 or 2 posts that post in this thread...post in a similar manner to other people with one or two posts...if you know where my paranoid ramblings are going...

scarey · 07-01-2006 7:11pm

has any1 got john o sheas number please

6th · 07-01-2006 7:15pm

no one here has his number, but if you read through this thread you'll see people saying things like "pm me and i'll give you a number".

6th

gwendoline · 08-01-2006 12:33am

Hi i am a tarot reader and know catherine Woods yes i would recommend her very good , Because i read the tarot i need my cards read once in a while one cannot do an accurate self reading , could you tell me more about the person you send 20 euro to and she does a reading
Gwen

ISAW · 08-01-2006 3:52pm

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The newspapers have a lot to answer for calling "spiritualist mediums" psychic mediums.

they have a lot to answer for in calling ANYONE a medium who communes with the dead if that person has provided NOt evidence for it! I haven't yet seen any evidence of such people in the newspapers providing evidence.

By the way, James Randi was invited by Doris Stokes twice to prove her ability, but he turned her down, twice.

Well this is a claim that the "medium" in question was denied the chance to provide evidence for the "RANDI MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE".

Strange!

I dont suppose you can supply evidence that doris Stokes twiCe asked to do the million dollar challenge. could you please do that?

I don't suppose you will since it appears to me that Doris Stokes died in 1987 but the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF - who offer the million dollar challenge) were not set up until 1996!

6th · 08-01-2006 7:05pm

ISAW wrote:

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they have a lot to answer for in calling ANYONE a medium who communes with the dead if that person has provided NOt evidence for it!

There is one way to see if there is an after life ... go kill yourself and if you dont make contact with me after I'll know you were right.

6th

hairyheretic · 08-01-2006 11:01pm

ISAW wrote:

I don't suppose you will since it appears to me that Doris Stokes died in 1987 but the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF - who offer the million dollar challenge) were not set up until 1996!

Obviously they tried contacting her through a medium

ISAW · 09-01-2006 1:52am

dublin6th wrote:

There is one way to see if there is an after life ... go kill yourself and if you dont make contact with me after I'll know you were right.

6th

Asking me to kill myself is personally insulting.
Please withdraw that remark.

My point has nothing to do with my personal beliefs in an afterlife. I could go into detail on this point but I wont be drawn since I already asked someone to do a psychic reading and show things like the similarity between my and my mothers health.

furthermore it does not address the point i made.

how could someone claim that someone else was twice refused the million dollar challenge when the challenge only existed AFTER that person was dead?

Now Dublin 6th please withdraw the personal attack or I will complain about it.

do you want me to make a prediction about that?

6th · 09-01-2006 8:36am

see thats the problem with typing something, people dont get the real idea of what is being said. When i saw you I mean people but if i type you folllow by your name in brackets e.g. you (ISAW) that means you directly. I can see how I should have been clearer though.

WhiteWashMan · 09-01-2006 9:47am

ISAW wrote:

Asking me to kill myself is personally insulting.
Please withdraw that remark.

Now Dublin 6th please withdraw the personal attack or I will complain about it.

do you want me to make a prediction about that?

oh for gods sake, dont be such a drama queen.

dulin6th, dont be stupid.

play nicely.

6th · 09-01-2006 10:28am

my bad

6th

Thanx 4 The Fish · 09-01-2006 11:37am

WhiteWashMan wrote:

oh for gods sake, dont be such a drama queen.

dulin6th, dont be stupid.

play nicely.

Thanks White.

Dublin, if you continue to post in such a manner I will ban you.

That is all.

6th · 09-01-2006 11:48am

dublin6th wrote:

you I mean people but if i type you folllow by your name in brackets e.g. you (ISAW) that means you directly. I can see how I should have been clearer though.

Like when a stand up says ..... you know when you go into a pub .... he's not directing it at anyone in particular, he's generalising. None of us will know for definate in ghosts, spirits, the afterlife etc exist until we're on the otherside ourselves. I'm sure if it all does exist alot of skeptics and non-believes will go "opps" when they die?

6th

At least you get a warning in Paranormal as opposed to Paganism where i posted about the courses and got banned!

ISAW · 09-01-2006 2:06pm

WhiteWashMan wrote:

oh for gods sake, dont be such a drama queen.

dulin6th, dont be stupid.

play nicely.

I don't like stating this since it offers information about a question on which I asked psychics to give information. But I don't like being called a "drama queen" either so I think my comment may warrant explanation.

Whitewashman if you looked up my messages in other fora (as I suspect others who wanted to check my background health issues would do) you would realise that I am currently being treated for cancer. I wouldn't normally be so I am sensitive to such remarks such as "go and kill yourself."

Dublin 6th - I may accept (though many others wouldn't) that you meant to referr to "one" instead of "you" but that is YOUR error not mine and if I took offence I had every right to do so and to demand an apology.

If you have no intention of withdrawing the remark and apologising then I don't intend to take the issue any further. I note someone has already warned you. I am only asking you to be careful about what you state.

We can all make comments we did not intend but I do believe we should be big enough to say we didnt intend to cause offence.

scorptech · 09-01-2006 2:19pm

ISAW wrote:

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they have a lot to answer for in calling ANYONE a medium who communes with the dead if that person has provided NOt evidence for it! I haven't yet seen any evidence of such people in the newspapers providing evidence.

I don't know how much experience you have with mediums, but if you have been to a medium and you were still not convinced, then they weren't very good or not trained properly.

Well this is a claim that the "medium" in question was denied the chance to provide evidence for the "RANDI MILLION DOLLAR CHALLENGE".

Strange!

I dont suppose you can supply evidence that doris Stokes twiCe asked to do the million dollar challenge. could you please do that?

I don't suppose you will since it appears to me that Doris Stokes died in 1987 but the James Randi Educational Foundation (JREF - who offer the million dollar challenge) were not set up until 1996!

You assume that Randi had to have the foundation setup before he asked Doris Stokes. Who is to say that he asked her before he setup the foundation and maybe was a catalyst for setting up the foundation.

As per my thread, Doris Stokes mentioned this in her book, so as to it validity, I cannot confirm.

ISAW · 10-01-2006 2:03am

scorptech wrote:

I don't know how much experience you have with mediums, but if you have been to a medium and you were still not convinced, then they weren't very good or not trained properly.

Or they just dont exist? I would sincerely love to koow about someone who can talk to the dead but I honestly have NEVER seen ANY evidence of someone being able to do this.

You assume that Randi had to have the foundation setup before he asked Doris Stokes. Who is to say that he asked her before he setup the foundation and maybe was a catalyst for setting up the foundation.

as far as I know the "JREF million dollar challange" did NOT exist until JREF was set up. Please show me if I am wrong. As to Randi refusing to test Stokes well thats part of what JREF was set up for i.e. so Randi himself wouldnt oversee the tests but independendant people would. It is possible that Stokes contacted Randi and said "please test me" and Reandi refused but that is up to the person claiming it to prove. Mind you I can always ask Randi? Would you believe his answer?

As per my thread, Doris Stokes mentioned this in her book, so as to it validity, I cannot confirm.

So I was right and you CAN'T back it up with any evidence? Would you accept what Randi says on this?

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