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The 'grooming ' gang UK independent report

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Report conclusions.

The evidence from high profile convictions and complied data on group-based child sexual exploitation indicates a clear overprepresentation of Pakistani Muslim men as members of the rape gangs.

However, when examining the religious dimension, often inferred from published names in court records and reliable reporting, the proportion of Muslim perpetrators appears even higher than the ethnic Pakistani figure alone would suggest. Analysis of conviction lists ( such as those complied by those reviewing cases from the late 1990s onwards) have found that approximately 90% of those convicted in relevant grooming gang cases bore distinctively Muslim names - a stark contrast to the roughly 6% Muslim proportion of the overall Muslim population.

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OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058439885/the-grooming-gang-uk-independent-report

I don't think that's entirely suprising. The network involved a lot of literally interrelated people, the abuse was carried out by related Pakistani clan members. It was partly how it was able to happen for so long, as they would back each other up and not snitch on each other. It goes without saying that related people are more than likely to have the same religion as one another. If a crime in question were attributed to another highly interrelated group, such as Irish travellers, I would expect Catholicism to be overrepresented for that crime network when compared to the general population.

While the crime was obviously cultural, I do feel it is likely that their muslim faith was a fundamental part of the culture that made such crimes palatable. Views that women and girls are inferior to men is backed up by the koran, as is the view that non muslims are inferior to muslims. Any supremacist belief system that regards one group as superior to another group facilitates a culture where exploitation and animosity towards out groups is more likely to happen. Thus, Christian and Sikh girls were seen as exploitable, due to their inferior status as female and their inferior status as non muslims. Having said that, I doubt scumbags like these were in any way respectful towards muslim girls, it's just abuse towards them didn't play out in the same open fashion.

The denial of this for years by police and politicians is absolutely shameful, as are the repeated accusations of racism that were given to people like Maggie Oliver who tried to publicise this issue and get justice for the victims. Even now, I still occasionally come across newspaper articles and editorials that downplay the ethnic background of the perpetrators. One trick is conflating the particular form/pattern of abuse carried out by the grooming gangs with all sexual abuse of minors in the UK to create the impression that the abuse had no or little ethnic dimension, e.g by stating only x% abuse of minors was carried out by Pakistani muslims, ignoring that a subset of abuse; organised grooming gang abuse, was almost exclusively carried by pakistani muslims in a clan fashion. The other is to focus on the relatively unprivileged background of many of the victims, to suggest that concerns were ignored more because of class issues than because of racial concerns, when the truth is that both were important factors in why it continued for so many years. The worst thing for me is that so many of these cleverly written attempts to diminish the ethnic factor for the abuse are diseminated by people and publications who pride themselves on being progressive, while their progressiveness seems to be undue deference towards patriarchal male attitudes from ethnic minorities with the age old lack of respect for unseemly girls of lower classes.

aero2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124565247#Comment_124565247

That's a really well written post. Imagine how it feels for the many victims - let down so badly at the time, ignored, gaslit and victim blamed, and now, when the whole world knows what happened, some seek to downplay various aspects of these heinous crimes in the manner you have described so well. Disgusting.

aero2k

I've just realised that the report referred to in the OP is from an independent group, and not the government one which is yet to do their work. The Lowe report concludes that 250,000 girls were abused across 149 local authority areas.

https://www.theepochtimes.com/world/independent-report-alleges-250000-girls-exploited-by-uk-grooming-gangs-6050327?utm_source=rtnewsnoe&src_src=rtnewsnoe&utm_campaign=rtbreaking-2026-06-19-3&src_cmp=rtbreaking-2026-06-19-3&utm_medium=email&utm_content=access0&est=Vmu3P3nYNVzHk8m50J8sHw5rGD1EFIZfqMRiyTiAic6F2tcAbMC%2FzlS7uPtr68l9SQ%3D%3D

tastyt

There is a prevalence towards this behaviour by the said groups and this proves it overwhelmingly. However the world we live in won’t allow facts to get in the way of hurty words and feelings , especially when there is millions to be made from importing these people and housing them

I expect this post to be taken down for these very reasons . Sad twisted times we live in . Children are collateral damage

We have designed our laws in the west around certain beliefs , morals and ethics that we believe in , we have to accept that people from other cultures don’t share these morals or beliefs , but we are too stupid to see what’s staring us in the face , we can excuse everything, child rape , murder , beheadings , children stabbed in schools, but we think the word “ racist “ is worse than any of those things . Dangerous delusion , and so many innocent lives sacrificed for smug self satisfaction

El_Duderino 09

Was The Lowe Report anything to do with Rupert Lowe from the Restore party?

ancapailldorcha

I've no idea what this "report" is nor where it comes from. I'm also curious as to why the link is shown as a single German word. I can't see anything about it in the news either. The OP just enunciates a series of conclusions with no obvious foundation.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124566946#Comment_124566946

It's definitely been in the news in the UK. Now the report itself is very sloppy and obviously idealogically driven. I've read claims that the witness testimony might not all be genuine. I don't know how genuine those claims are, a lot of political discussion on UK forums is like political football, supporting your own team no matter what.

I'm still glad that the issue is being discussed, because even after there was finally acknowledgement that grooming gangs did exist there is still an element of people being dismissed as racists if they bring up attitudes of some muslims towards non muslim women.

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124567535#Comment_124567535

Good example of that kind of political football being played in the thread below. Guy asks for "methodical and careful" work instead of Lowe's "report". When he is given it, he puts his hands over his ears and goes "la la la la la …."

Trigger warning for the sensitive. Rude words are used in some of the replies he gets. The replies include one from one of the victims. I suspect that is what the claims doubting witness testimony relate to.

https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/2068729842032427259

Grayson

The "report" in it's introduction sets out it's agenda from the very beginning.

The first line of the foreword is

Britain doesn’t have a racism problem, it has an immigration problem.
Rupert Lowe

The second paragraph of the foreword has

The root cause was immigration, beginning with the British Nationality Act 1948 and escalating under Tony Blair from 1997
onwards. Believing proud nations to be responsible for the mid-20th century destruction of Europe, our post-war leaders embraced diversity and multiculturalism as the supposedly civilised alternative. This report establishes beyond any doubt that this ‘open society’ obsession has in fact enabled untold barbarism of its own. Oil and water do not mix and cultural differences, going back centuries, are the genesis of this problem.

I don't think we can have any doubt that the authors of this report had an agenda. It's anti imigration. It's anti people of colour. It's anti muslims.

The "executive summary" states at the beginning of the second paragraph. (my bold)

The scale of the crimes committed is staggering. It has been previously established that, at the very least, 250,000 young white girls have been subjected to repeated rape, gang rape, trafficking, torture, pregnancy, forced Islamic conversion, and lifelong trauma.

This is the source it gives for the figure of 250,000

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangshttps://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangs

It's comments made by someone in the house of lords. It's not backed up by any other sources. It's a comment from this guy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Pearson,_Baron_Pearson_of_Rannochhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Pearson,_Baron_Pearson_of_Rannoch

In 2023, it was revealed that Pearson and Baroness Cox were members of a secret group called the New Issues Group, which had been operating out of the House of Lords for over a decade and collaborated with far-right, anti-Muslim activists.

That guy gives no source for the figure. Him saying 250,000 is the only time it's mentioned.

So the exec summary of this report states that the number of victims is 250k. It doesn't provide any evidence for this beyond what some bloke said.

I literally took the very first reference in the exec summary and checked it. That's all I needed to do. i didn't need to go and check other sources or do an academic review. I just clicked on the first link they had.

From the very beginning this report lies and misrepresents facts. Anyone who cites this report or trusts a single thing in this report is an idiot or just plain lying to support their own biases.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124566946#Comment_124566946

I thought it was appearing in german because I'm in Germany :)

Jack Daw

Well a sloppy report like this is what happens when the government refuses to do a real report and police and councils decide to cover up abuse over the years.

Fact is there was widespread abuse by muslim gangs in the Uk, they targeted non muslims for the abuse and it was covered up for fear of being accused of being racist for pointing out the problem.

all the dumbasses who come up with links of other non Muslims abusers being jailed and go with the line "why aren't people protesting this" don't appear to get the point about the issue is that

The Muslim sex abuse gangs massively out performed their demographics on a per capita basis.
They targeted non muslims specifically
Their own communities defending and covered up for these abusers
there was a deliberate cover up by the authorities.
These scumbags should never have been in Britain in the first place but slipshod emigration policy over the decades allowed them to be there.

You don't have white people in the Uk or councils and politicians deciding to ignore abuse committed by white people because they were white, however you did have racism in the handling of the muslims sex abusers by the authorities and their own communities.

Large bottle small glass

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581358#Comment_124581358

Islam is part of the problem but most of these men are from a very specific area. Baharanis/Iranians/Iraqis etc aren't over represented in the figures (in the few areas they were collected) from what i can make out.

What's notable about this area is the promience of clan culture; 60% of Pakistani marriages are cousin marriages. Afghanistan is around 40%.

From a western perspective, where cousin marriage is non existent except in traveller and a few other groups, this is a profound difference. The nuclear family, and how it allowed good ideas to spread, rejected the nepotism inherent in clan culture is one of the stand out features of western culture.

In clan culture loyalt isn't to the mosque, state or anything else but to the clan. These rapists in the UK after they served their sentences went straight back into their taxi/shop or whatever other business they ran. There was no ejection from the community. The key issue was protection of the clan and fcuk you to wider society and in particular the host country.

Part of the motivation for the behaviour was driven by racism. That'll be a but of a head fcuk for people who think only white people can be racist but there you go.

This has been enabled by a society too meek to be proud of its historical achievements and tripping over itself to excuse rather than confront the most misogynist and racist of cultures.

Its a society which has put Islam on a pedestal where the ludicrous/sexist ideas inherent in the belief system of Islam can't be challenged by conflating Islam with race rather than a set of ideas.

It's this weak culture which has led to a teacher at a Bartley school who showed an image of Mohammed to 9 students living under a new name 5 years later.

https://news.sky.com/story/batley-grammar-school-disturbing-to-see-protest-over-prophet-mohammed-image-says-housing-secretary-robert-jenrick-12257006

Teacher suspended and apology issued.

Islam like Judaism, Christianity and every other religion should be free to ridicule. In the west they all are; bar one.

Accepting that and every other freedom which is part of British/Western culture should be part of the price of admission.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581358#Comment_124581358

No. That kind of report happens when a racist decides what their results are before they start and then lie their way through the report.

The people who wrote that are liars who will wilfully deceive to promote their cause.

Don't try to blame the government for racists being racists.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581524#Comment_124581524

Again, the Government could have nipped this in the bud a long time ago if they did a proper report but they refused to.

The results were decided a long time ago by the evidence of the abuse that took place at the hands of pakistani muslim grooming gangs across england.

There is no lying about the abuse that went on and the mistreatment of so many women and girls across England at the hands of these grooming gangs, it's not lying to point out that there was a cover up both by people in positions of authority and within the communities themselves.

Your attitude is why the issue festered for so long, you'd prefer to call people racist for pointing out the truth rather than face up to some uncomfortable truths about the Pakistan grooming gangs.

ancapailldorcha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581524#Comment_124581524

Exactly. This has already been investigated thoroughly but now we're being told that this report is infallible because it suits some people's agenda.

Grayson

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581587#Comment_124581587

If the government released a new more comprehensive report it wouldn't stop racists from lying.

There is no lying about the abuse that went on and the mistreatment of so many women and girls across England at the hands of these grooming gangs

The very first reference of that exec summary said theirs 250k victims. That's a lie. The only source for it is what some bloke said. It's treated as fact when there's zero evidence for it.

Am I disgusted at the fact that girls were abused? yes. And I'm also disgusted at the way the police dragged their feet.

Am I also disgusted that racists are using their abuse to spread their racist agenda, and lying about it? Yes I am.

And here people are making excuses for those racists. Pretending that the only reason they have to lie is because the government forced them into it.

the authors of the report are lying scumbag racists who will make any crap up to support their racist agenda. You should be disgusted at the lies that they're spreading.

And I'm not calling someone racists for saying something that's true. I'm saying they're racists because they're lying to spread a racist agenda that they outlined clearly in their introduction.. Have you even read my posts where I pointed out that they're lying?

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581819#Comment_124581819

They're not spreading a racist agenda though.

They are just reporting the truth regaridng these Pakistani grooming gangs.Saying it is more of a problem in that community is not racist it's the truth.

Race is part of this entire story, some like yourself appear to be uncomfortable with the fact that member of a minority group have behaved in such a way as it betrays the idea that everything is perfect in a multi ethnic society and no groups happen to be scummier than others on average in certain instances (when we all know this is the truth that some groups are scummier than others on average) .

Potatoeman

Backwards medieval ideas don’t stop at boarders. These coverups are just like the clerical abuse scandals in many ways, people in power protecting a protected class. Except the class bring nothing of value to the country. Many of these scumbags are in Ireland now, not long until we have these problems along with all the issues from the asylum hotels.

El Gato De Negocios

Regardless if it was 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10,000 or however many girls abused, it is beyond ANY doubt that there have been multiple instances of this happening and authorities turning a blind eye because of the race or ethnicity of the perpetrators.

It is beyond ANY doubt that the overwhelming majority of the perpetrators are from countries where Islam is the order of the day that where for many men, women and girls are nothing more than a commodity that is to be used as they see fit.

To see people supposedly from the righteous side of the immigration discussion try and deflect, poo poo and undermine the prolonged, pre-meditated and protected abuse and violence inflicted on countless young women across the UK is quite frankly staggering, even going by leftist Boards standards.

Marcos

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124565895#Comment_124565895

People may criticise the methodology or the way that it was compiled. But what gets me is that these same people were most likely the ones to say believe her when the me too movement was fashionable. Now they seem to be more in line with that Labour MP, I think it was Shabana Mahmood, who said of the Rotheram Rape gang victims "those girls should shut up for the sake of diversity." It's unfortunate when being wedded to a particular ideological viewpoint causes people to ignore victims testimonies and "lived experience." For me, this applies across the political spectrum and not just for members of the other side.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581819#Comment_124581819

The report itself is terrible, with made up figures, a clear agenda and rubbish citations. I feel sorry for the victims who participated in the report, as their testimonies deserve to be part of a non controversial, impartial document. Lowe is obviously using the issue to drive an agenda.

I don't support any of those right wing parties but the Labour AND Conservative government's should have tackled the issue head on with a comprehensive report into the grooming gangs specifically. That it took until 2023 for the Casey Audit to be completed, and that in 2026 the national enquiry is still not complete is shameful. I believe within the last few days several additional towns were added to the scope of the independent national enquiry, which I presume might be due to the publicity raised by the Lowe report.

Marcos

Also, isn't it great that we don't have anything like that going on here? I mean it's not like Tusla has been found wanting with 14 year old girls going missing and being found a year later in a brothel.

Or that we didn't have a Minister for Children who deleted three reports highlighting concerns for vulnerable children taken into care by Tusla by retired judge Dermot Simms on questionable GDPR grounds.

Nope, nothing to see here.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581609#Comment_124581609

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124582181#Comment_124582181

The problem is that according to survivors and to most of the whistleblowers like Maggie Oliver or Ann Cryer who got involved back when that was a career-ending thing to do, the government and much of the media are still covering their asses rather than ensuring that it’s not still happening. The survivors say it IS still happening partly because the media is so determined to present it as purely historical abuse and that only racists would say otherwise.

But evidence suggests the grooming and sexual exploitation of girls, predominantly by British Pakistani men, is not just a shameful episode in Bradford and Keighley’s history. It is still ongoing here, according to multiple sources.

Last week, a new local case landed on the desk of child abuse solicitor David Greenwood. It involved the alleged abuse of two children from the same family, both aged under 12 at the time. They were allegedly picked up in cars by taxi drivers, plied with alcohol and sexually assaulted by multiple people. A white woman was said to be involved in the grooming too.This isn’t a historic incident: it allegedly occurred just 18 months ago, around Christmas 2023, and is currently under investigation by police, says Greenwood.

https://archive.ph/tD3yU

Rupert Lowe is only able to use an investigation for his own ends because the survivors are so desperate for anyone to set one up. It’s just not the case that it’s all been investigated and that we should all move on now.

https://twitter.com/justrightFrank/status/2069480377417101376?s=20

El_Duderino 09

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581358#Comment_124581358

Eh, Jeffrey Donaldson and Ian Paisley Jr. want a word about this. The Catholic church wants a word too.

It Turns out loads of groups and institutions are happy to cover up sexual abuse of children rather than cause a scandal that would hurt the brand.

I don't consider myself culpable as a Catholic or an Irish person and I don't suppose your average muslim considered themselves culpable either. Would you be happy with someone suspecting you of being an abuser because you're Irish? After all, your state and the dominant religion in your country helped cover up abuse for decades (centuries?). Maybe it's just part of your culture.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124581358#Comment_124581358

You don't have white people in the Uk or councils and politicians deciding to ignore abuse committed by white people because they were white

This is a fantastic piece of revisionism here.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124582754#Comment_124582754

Not anymore thankfully and not in as widespread a number.This Muslim rape gang issue has been going on up until the present day, thankfully the catholic church abuse scandals are in the past and have been dealt with.

Also the catholic church covering up abuse is just proving my point, it was wrong when they did it , it's just as wrong when Muslims do it yet somehow people don't want this to be said now when it comes to Muslims.

Also the big issue with the Muslim rape gangs is it's an imported problem, it never would have happened in the first place if the Uk had better immigration policy over the decades but of course they didn't.

Sadly with the catholic church abuse in Ireland these were home grown scum who were were stuck with (as every country is stuck with their hime grown scum)

ancapailldorcha

The overwhelming majority of grooming gangs are white. 85% according to this:

https://news.sky.com/story/child-sex-abuse-and-grooming-gangs-what-we-know-and-what-we-dont-from-the-data-13285420

It says volumes that the men who keep bringing up non-white gangs are completely silent about this.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124583462#Comment_124583462

That’s not what that article says. It says that child sexual abuse is mainly committed by white men - which is simply stating that it is overwhelmingly men who commit child sexual abuse and that in the U.K. most men are white.

Most child abuse in Ireland was not committed by priests, but I don’t imagine you’d consider that a reason to downplay the clerical abuse scandal, would you?

There are factors specific to the clerical abuse scandal that made it an issue in its own right, just as there are factors about Muslim grooming gangs that are different from CSA in general - and potentially even from grooming gangs run by white men or men of other ethnicities. Which do exist but in far smaller numbers - partly because the clan-loyalty aspect of the Pakistani/Mirpur grooming gangs is something that only a few other ethnic groups in the U.K. can replicate.

Jack Daw

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124583462#Comment_124583462

From the link above : "The ethnicity of the perpetrators and victims was only recorded in 29% of cases"

So any conclusions from that report are pointless and would back up the accusations that the racial element was ignored by the authorities because it revealed uncomfortable truths

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124567535#Comment_124567535

attitudes of some muslims towards non muslim women

Just on this point: yes it’s true that the targeting of non Muslim girls - and even some of the comments by wives and mothers of the rapists, as reported in court cases - does indicate hateful views of non Muslim women and girls. But I don’t think anyone could imagine that men who are capable of raping a 13 year old girl with a bottle to punish her are going to be loving husbands and brothers at home are they?

The reality is that they hate women in general and will tolerate only complete subservience from them. You may be sure that their homes are violent, terrifying places for the girls who grow up in them and the women (or girls) who marry into them.