All good. There's too many people.
That proves the three day wait led to thousands of mothers changing their minds.
And your evidence that this is due to abortion legislation is…?
What are you claiming that this proves?
The suddenness of it suggests it's a factor, though so would be the cost of living. It's not an either or.
It proves nothing of the sort, and why are you so desperate for women undergoing crisis pregnancies to give birth anyway?
I think we already have a very liberal regime anyway. 3 days does no prevent them going ahead if they want. Its a reflection period, and I think whenever there is finality there should be one.
I voted for what FG told us was going to be the abortion regime.
Which doesn't prove that they didn't have an abortion
12 weeks is certainly not "a very liberal regime". It's basically the bare minimum.
Well then you voted for the regulations surrounding abortion to be purely legislative, not constitutional.
You also voted knowing that a review of the operation of the legislation was promised after three years. This review was eventually completed and published three years ago, and abolition of the three day wait was one of its recommendations.
There is no medical or legal justification for the three day wait.
No other form of medical treatment or procedure has such a wait imposed by law.
And the time limit does not stop ticking during the three day wait, so it's possible to run out of time for a legal abortion in Ireland purely because of the three day wait.
It's competely patronising and unnecessary and needs to go - and will go.
I think the most practical thing to do, which should keep everybody happy, is to make the 3 day wait optional. That way, those who fell they need the reflection period can still avail of it
The exact wording of the referendum that was passed, agreed by FG at the time was
Provision may be made by law for the regulation of termination of pregnancy.
Which is exactly what happened here, so there really can be no complaints regarding what FG told us was going to be the abortion regime
You think women seeking abortion did not reflect before going to their GP? You think they ran to their GP the moment they found out they were pregnant?
I find the case for this change unconvincing, particularly given the statistics posted earlier on this thread that showed thousands of women did not go ahead with abortions after the 3 days.
The decline in birth rates is, from an economic point of view, not a beneficial thing in my opinion.
But in any case, we do need to tackle issues like the cost of living, and encourage employers to set up creches.
The issue with the conclusion drawn by the pro-life people with the above is that is it assumes that in the instance where there is no wait period, every woman that goes for a consultation always goes ahead with the termination. We have no evidence to suggest that this conclusion is true and that some women decide not to proceed on the basis of the initial consultation. For me, the crux of the pro-choice argument is that we don't know the details of each case and on that basis we cannot say what is or is not in their best interests, only they can do that.
We respect, using declining birth rates as an argument against provision of abortion is akin to promoting a ban on contraception for the same reason. It suggests coercing women into having babies against their own better judgement.
Given the dramatic increase in population in this country in recent decades, advocating for increased birth rates may not make the most sense either.
you seem keen to draw conclusions that suit your point of view. I see no need for the waiting period to have existed at all. there are no mandatory waiting periods (and by that i mean for non-medical reasons) for other health care procedures.
There was no reason for the Eighth in the first place. The sinister forces that led to the Eighth, are behind the objections to removing the waiting period. Furthermore, the sinister forces behind this block of legislation are very influential in the HSE.
