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Edinburgh Stabbing Incident (Thread bans in OP)

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On a night when Scotland are playing in a crucial World Cup game, a "patriot" is out stabbing Muslims in Edinburgh.

I presume we'll have riots by the same cohort of bigots who perpetrated the pogrom in Belfast last week and went rioting in Southampton recently? Amongst many other such incidents.

Or maybe not. A white man dunnit so sssshhhh.

From BBC:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cx2xg6lwz5jo

Five men have been injured in a series of suspected anti-Muslim attacks as a bare-chested man was seen roaming the streets of Edinburgh with a large weapon.

The BBC understands the attacks began near a mosque in the west of the city, where two men were injured, on Friday night.

Footage posted on social media appears to show the same man vandalising a petrol station and battering the door of a pizzeria several miles away on Leith Walk before being held on the ground by police.

A 36-year-old white man has been arrested and counter terrorism officers have joined local Police Scotland colleagues in an ongoing investigation.

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midlander12

I'm waiting for the Reform attack-dog Sarah Pochin to come out with a statement blaming the Scottish team's loss for this incident, following her announcement that the English team's victory last week would help reduce incidents of domestic violence.

fullstop

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124567697#Comment_124567697

Well I haven’t seen any riots after them releasing the fact that he was white and Scottish. If they said he was brown and Muslim (as that’s the angle you’re going for) do you think the same would be true?

Quantum Erasure

"Don't look back in anger.

I hope this man gets the mental health care he needs.

Don't blame all white people, terrorism has no race.

White natives are the most vulnerable right now. Protect them from anti-white backlash and uplift those facing extreme poverty and marginalisation in Britain.

Beware the far left politicising this. We need unity, not division.

Britain has a huge knife crime problem. Labour must restrict knives."

batman_oh

Oh look a white guy stabbed people so we should keep letting 100 Somalian men in a week to game the asylum system and live off welfare for life

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124569882#Comment_124569882

Oh look someone saying something absolutely nobody else has said in an effort to deflect and distract from the issue of men being violent.

aero2k

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124569877#Comment_124569877

Yes, and the knife restriction must include Sikhs, otherwise it's discriminatory.

actuallylike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124569164#Comment_124569164

What are you talking about? All we've heard about Bouchaker is his dementia, neurocognitive disorder, brain tumor. Mental health has been posited from day one, hence the delays to his trial.

Amazing what you can think is true when you just make everything up.

actuallylike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124569311#Comment_124569311

All of this is OT of course, I guess this is the point of the thread. OP getting kicked from a thread so creating all these off topic threads. But anyway...

There's not 1000s or 10s of thousands of white nationalists going on stabbing sprees, but if there's only a handful it's still a problem and will be correctly commented on.

Jo Cox murder, Christchurch mosque attack, Dylan Roof etc. These attacks show there's a problem with white nationalism, nobody should dispute that.

There's been much more attacks by Muslims while representing a tiny minority of the population. This is a problem

Jo Cox just passed her 10 year anniversary and we heard about it everywhere. We won't hear the same for David Ames.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570074#Comment_124570074

There's been much more attacks by Muslims while representing a tiny minority of the population. This is a problem

It would be good if you could supply the data behind this claim. (Or, as I suspect, did you make it up?)

actuallylike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570079#Comment_124570079

https://www.csis.org/analysis/right-wing-terrorism-threat-europe

Analysis of a CSIS data set of over 2,200 terrorist incidents in Europe between 2009 and 2020 found that 69.3 percent of fatalities were from jihadists, compared to only 21.8 percent from right-wing individuals or networks, 6.9 percent from ethno-nationalists, and 2.0 percent from left-wing actors

Admittedly till 2020, but still, keep trying to be smug when you have absolutely no idea what's going on.

And recently… https://europeanconservative.com/articles/news/a-timeline-of-evil-terror-attacks-in-europe-in-2024-25/ . Not to mention the large amount of foiled attacks (Taylor Swift concert, etc.)

briany

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570037#Comment_124570037

Oh, yes. It's all the 2023 Dublin rioters could talk about in the wake of the incident. What was their slogan, again? Better access to mental health services now but immigrants perfectly welcome?

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570074#Comment_124570074

There has been a much higher instance of these attacks by men than by Muslims.

You seem keen to ignore this point. Why is it about the religion or colour of skin rather than the fact that it is nearly always men?

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570198#Comment_124570198

Ah so your stats exclude all the other violent crimes and murders committed by non-muslims?

I would therefore make the valid claim that this line of yours is bullsh1t made up to suit an agenda!

There's been much more attacks by Muslims while representing a tiny minority of the population. This is a problem

Assuming that you'll segue towards the terrorism angle, one could argue that on this island, there have been next to no violent crimes directly linked to Islamic terrorism whereas we're well aware of the decades of terrorism all committed by white people in the name of the Irish people and in the name of the British people, etc.

actuallylike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570259#Comment_124570259

there have been next to no violent crimes directly linked to Islamic terrorism

Priest in Galway

Garda on Capel Street

Sex worker in Limerick

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570074#Comment_124570074

There are around 50,000 stabbing incidents a year in the UK and approximately 200 such murders. The incidences of lone nutters from an ethnic minority or minority religion (or even radicalised racists from the far right) going on a random stabbing spree are a tiny percentage of that.

Arguably, these are societal problems rather than anything to do with any specific religion or ethnic minority.

actuallylike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570252#Comment_124570252

Your race baiting won't work, plenty of white islamists around. Anyway, all of this is OT, but as I mentioned before, the topic of thread was always a side show for OP to get on a soapbox, because he got kicked from another thread

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570277#Comment_124570277

I did say "next to none" which three is 🙄

Now in the past fifty years, how many people were murdered by white people in the name of religion, politics or whatever other bullsh1t excuses were given.

The simple fact is murder is murder. What you're doing is saying that those three are terrorist incidents full stop. You're deliberately excluding mental issues being the primary driver and the fact that, in say the Galway incident, the Islamic link is a symptom or outcome of that illness. In fact, the case news reports say:

The teenage boy had an obsessive personality and was prone to become engrossed in certain subjects, the judge said the boy had been radicalised and this was rooted in his being drawn in via the internet to extreme views.
He said the boy's vulnerability to this was exacerbated by his autism spectrum disorder, his social isolation and his prolonged engagement with certain websites.

I find your posts disingenuous simply because of an anti-Islamic agenda but that's just my reading of them.

Anyhow, I'm done with this line of discussion because this thread is just turning into yet another "I hate dem muslim immigrants" thread.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570294#Comment_124570294

I'm simply asking you a question - why is it about the colour or skin of a man, rather than the fact that it is nearly always a man?

You're the one who spoke about the higher proportion of these attacks being carried out by Muslims - I pointed out that an even higher proportion of these attacks are being carried out by men.

Society has a serious issue with the prevalance of violence carried out by men. However for many people here, it seems to be the religion or skin colour as opposed to the bigger picture because men want something to blame so they all aren't tarred with the same brush.

OscarMIlde

I don't know why this has to be portrayed as a binary argument that if you are against migrants committing crimes you are OK with non migrants committing crimes and vice versa.

I would say the vast, vast majority of people don't want racist attacks or discrimination against people because of their skin colour, ethnicity or religion. It is wrong if Jewish people are attacked because they are Jewish, wrong if Muslim people are attacked for being Muslim, wrong if Black people or Asian people are being attacked for being Black or Asian, it is wrong if women and girls are attacked because they are female. That is basic decency, and most people would feel like this.

This man was carrying out deranged assaults against muslims. He was thankfully apprehended and his background is being investigated for terror links. I would expect this for any crime that could be linked to an idealogy.

The reason people feel more relatively and openly displeased when migrants commit crimes as opposed to born citizens is that migrants are there at the grace of the accepting country. Born citizens are our problem no matter what. There is a higher expectation that people who migrate to a country should assimilate and obey that country's laws. This is particularly so when a migrant who enters a country is a recipient of welfare and assistance with accommodation. In that case they are a burden on the taxpaying residents of a country, and of course there is an expectation that they should be law abiding when in receipt of such supports. These expectations are felt more keenly, at times like things, with rising inflation, cost of living and the realisation that increasing asylum seekers numbers are placing greater strain on housing, education and medical resources.

These feelings are not racist, and are in fact commonplace worldwide when resources are squeezed. We see this in South Africa, and there has been similar sentiments observed in Niger and Nigeria with a perception that more supports were available to cross border migrants than those internally displaced across greater distances within the same country.

Strazdas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570424#Comment_124570424

Shouldn't the good and law abiding behaviour of 99%+ of migrants be a far bigger story than the very small numbers involved in violent crime? Isn't that something to be celebrated and lauded?

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570503#Comment_124570503

I don't think the law abiding nature of anyone is ever a story regardless of background. Law abiding should be the default expectation of everyone.

Most people feel however that we are stuck with our own criminals, we don't feel we should export more.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570513#Comment_124570513

Who commits more crime?

Immigrants or men?

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570527#Comment_124570527

I don't understand what the point of this bizarre question is.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570551#Comment_124570551

Of course you don't. That would require some proper critical thinking instead of blaming immigrants for everything.

That whole attitude of 'we can't do anything about our own criminals' - yes we actually can, but it's easier to just point the finger at brown people instead.

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570680#Comment_124570680

I'm not blaming immigrants for anything.

I'm saying it's natural for people to feel more aggrieved if an immigrant commits crimes than someone who was ordinarily resident in the country. That sense of aggrievement is especially pronounced in cases like Pushka and the current case before the courts, were people feel they were making no economic contribution to the country, could have legally been deported, which would have not only have saved money but would have prevented terrible crimes being committed.

I'm not the one bringing race into this either, that is you.

For Petes Sake

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570697#Comment_124570697

And I'm saying that men are primarily the problem with rampant violent crime rates, not immigrants.

Would you agree?

OscarMIlde

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570703#Comment_124570703

Men would commit more violent crimes than women, agreed. This is partly why I support same sex spaces for women in areas of vulnerability like prisons, refuges, changing facilities (I also support it for reasons of privacy and dignity).

Since both the ordinarily resident population of a country and immigrants would contain men I'm not certain why you are discussing men as a separate population to immigrants.

Unless you want to restrict the rights of men in general, which to me would be a serious infringement of civil liberties. Perhaps, recognising that men are more violent than women you want to restrict or police migration of men into the country?

Obviously there are general measures which can be taken to reduce crime rates, which is why I support increasing police resources, increasing numbers of prison places, vastly increased drug and alcohol rehabilitation as well as more resources into combatting organised crime such as trafficking, money laundering, sexual exploitation, organised robberies and drug dealing/importation.

plodder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570703#Comment_124570703

Has there even been a place or a time where men committed less crime than women? If not, then it seems you are saying we just have to put up with immigrant crime whatever level it's at (and I don't know what the level is, but you seem to be suggesting it's higher). It's a completely ridiculous point.

actuallylike

It's such an insane point he's trying to make, very difficult to address but not for the reasons he thinks. No doubt he believes he's landed on some all time gotcha, but it's more akin to just rubbing poo all over his face mid debate and sitting there with a big smug grin as everyone backs away as he shouts "WOULD YOU AGREE?"

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124570703#Comment_124570703

Men are indeed. That’s also why many women are unhappy about allowing men into women’s changing rooms etc. And that includes immigrant men.

So shouldn’t we therefore control which MALE immigrants we choose to let into the country so as to avoid further increasing the number of crimes committed?

I’d be happy to see any number of Afghan, Somali or Sudanese women settle here. I’m just not so sure about the Afghan / Somali / Sudanese men.

Isn’t that a sensible distinction to make, going by your own point above?