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Etiquette when over taking in Bike Lane

Irish Gunner

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With the new bike lane from Fairview nearly into town which I use and no issues until yesterday. Along the way few shores and holes some I know some I don’t. When I am cycling and someone wants to take over they usually say or shout.However yesterday someone ran into the back of me and told me I did not indicate to move out. I may have moved a bit to avoid a shore but he ran into the back of me and I went head over onto Tarmac. Just bruised and sore all over.

Just wondering what others do on bike lanes.If I am overtaken someone, which I rarely do and not enough space, I would say something. Also I don’t tailgate which this person was doing.

I was furious with him for this and he did stop but never took responsibility

Anyone any opinions

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magicbastarder

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124543682#Comment_124543682

Then there there's passing legislation. Is that enforced…

which passing legislation?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124545329#Comment_124545329

This one

https://www.gov.ie/en/department-of-transport/publications/minister-ross-announces-new-laws-protecting-cyclists/

magicbastarder

Ah, I was thinking of the provision about the 1m / 1.5m stipulation being dropped, had remembered it as the law itself being shelved.

Seth Brundle

This is the passing law: https://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2019/si/495/made/en/print

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124545297#Comment_124545297

If you look at cycling before and post lockdown there's been vast improvements in cycling infrastructure etc.

But the numbers have stalled. I would argue is the perception of safety. Enforcement needs to protect cyclists and be seen to protect cyclists. It doesn't do that

The motoring evangelists want to use safety legislations to penalize cyclists and deflect the motorists responsibility to the cyclists. Victim blaming.

That's my issue with new legislation...

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124545631#Comment_124545631

There's a bit overlap between passing distance and dangerous passing of other road uses. The question becomes how can you enforce it. Bit also it's it enforced. How many successful convictions Vs how many logged. Etc. where are the metrics on it.

Seth Brundle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124545712#Comment_124545712

If you look at cycling before and post lockdown there's been vast improvements in cycling infrastructure etc.

I would dispute the use of the word "vast" being there. There have been some improvements but in general they are not part of a joined up strategy and most of them really are box ticking exercises which allow councils to avoid developing proper segregated infrastructure.

But the numbers have stalled. I would argue is the perception of safety. Enforcement needs to protect cyclists and be seen to protect cyclists. It doesn't do that

But, there really isn't any enforcement on our roads - full stop.

The motoring evangelists want to use safety legislations to penalize cyclists and deflect the motorists responsibility to the cyclists. Victim blaming.

But when you have our agency responsible for road safety, our police force, our politicians and our road designers following this approach, you know that there is something really wrong!

Flinty997

Well there was basically none before COVID

Seth Brundle

A lot of what has been put in place in recent years is in places where it was an easy win for the council. It generally isn't found where it is most needed and more often than not is designed as cheaply as possible. A recent discussion point related to then Phoenix Park. At the main pinch points along Chesterfield Ave, remind us what happens to the cycle lane?

TaurenDruid

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124520620#Comment_124520620

Ah, come off it! There's nothing "passive aggressive" about a bell on a bike. A polite 'ding', the person in front hears it, checks their shoulder, keeps to the side.

And not to mention, having a bell is a bloody necessity in the city centre, with kamikaze pedestrians stepping out into the road or cycle path everywhere!

This is like being told I'm being passive aggressive if I respond to a text or whatsapp with 👍️!

magicbastarder

there are quite a few cyclists who have attested in the thread that they've had negative reactions to ringing their bell. so whatever your reaction is, some others don't like them.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124546563#Comment_124546563

Calm down!! 😁 (joke!)

I wouldn't consider a bell passive aggressive either, but the fact is that it is taken as such by a not-insignificant number of people. Which isn't really any surprise given that, if they're pedestrians, they're likely also motorists. And most use of the car horn (being the equivalent of the bike bell) in my personal experience, is as a tool of admonishment and aggression. It's rarely used with a gentle "toot" of warning. (Which is why I find it ironic that you're specifically not permitted to use an air horn on a bicycle…)

As an aside - I never use a bell in the city centre and have never found myself wishing I had one. If there's a risk presented by pedestrians I simply cycle slowly enough that I can avoid any collision. And a bell is of f**k all use when it comes to cars/ vans/ trucks. But I do get why some people like having a bell in those kinds of environments. And isn't that what cycling should be all about - the freedom to get around easily using common sense and courtesy to ensure your own safety and convenience and that of others around you. Why cyclists seem to be the focus of calls (generally speaking, not to your post) for legislation to improve road safety is beyond me.

Macy0161

If you look at cycling before and post lockdown there's been vast improvements in cycling infrastructure etc.

Has there? I wouldn't be convinced tbh. My commute is Bray to Merrion Square. Wicklow Co Co bit barely worth talking about - a few wands. DLR much better overall but still varies between good, grade separated, and non-existent (even if I do take the parks route). Once I get to DCC, it's just varying degrees of sh!tshow, and it still beggars belief that a few years ago a former poster on these threads tried to claim Ballsbridge "village" was a good to cycle in it's current form.

I'd consider myself a seasoned and confident city cyclist at this stage, and weather rarely puts me off, but often it's just that it's better than PT and exercise rather than in any way pleasant.

khamilton

My commute of ~9km (that I've been doing on and off for 16 years) has had exacty 200m of benefit from cycling infrastructure post-Covid - and that was only opened this year.

Literally 200m of 9,000m on one of the core arterial routes into the city centre.

Even leisure cycling around South Dublin, being as I'm in SDCC, what has been built has often been to my detriment as a cyclist - a trend that looks set to continue.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124560243#Comment_124560243

What route do you take? (wondering if we regularly pass each other like ships in the night 😂 )

The other thing that grinds my gears with cycle lanes - speaking in particular about the N11 off road versions) - is the complete neglect in terms of maintenance after their put in - stones, glass, debris, overhanging branches, overgrown brambles. And that's before we even get to the placing of slippery metal chamber lids on the lanes (special shout out to the one just pas Foxrock junction southbound, on a downhill off-camber pinch-point turn with uneven tarmac surface around it… good job lads, great training for CX season).

So even when infrastructure is put in, I'm sceptical that it'll be maintained. When proper maintenance and upkeep of cycle lanes becomes part of local authorities' routines, then I'll believe that there's genuine commitment to encouraging cycling as an alternative mode of transport/ commuting.

Macy0161

I go the Rock Road these days. I do occasionally do the N11, and cut down the greenway. A big miss that cycling not allowed in Herbert Park, given through it and out towards Wellington Road is a direct and relatively quiet route.

Paddigol

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124560993#Comment_124560993

I'm a pure N11 time-trialler 😂 NewtownMtK - Fassaroe - Shankhill - Loughlinstown and straight up grind along the N11.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124560492#Comment_124560492

My route D15 to city about 80% (14k) of it now has cycle lanes. Even my alternate route is mostly cycle lanes or infrastructure.

The bit that doesn't is mostly suburbs where nothing joins up.

khamilton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124563108#Comment_124563108

It's variable for sure, just pointing out my experience!

Flinty997

It's just pot luck on the route.

CramCycle

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/124562987#Comment_124562987

Nothing like racing the 145 on the decent stretches around Cabinteely