Finally someone is calloing out the return scam.
https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/government-urged-to-reform-or-disband-shambolic-re-turn-scheme-after-e500000-bin-raiding-bill-1905390.html
Never thought I'd agree with Peadar.
Tóibín had also questioned the amount of money accumulated by Re-turn, the private company that operates the DRS, claiming that €103 million in unredeemed deposits was “resting in its account”.
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Tóibín said the DRS deposit was “like a tax” on consumers, except it doesn’t go towards paying for hospitals, education, housing and other public services.“Instead, it goes to a company and to CEO salaries that they refuse to publish,” he said.
Tóibín said the DRS deposit was “like a tax” on consumers, except it doesn’t go towards paying for hospitals, education, housing and other public services.
“Instead, it goes to a company and to CEO salaries that they refuse to publish,” he said.
Reminds me of the M50 toll bridge. In incredibly stupid idea. Maybe I'm just getting old.
I did qualify it by saying if they don't have to.
If the regs. say they are exempt then that's it, there is no obligation.
Just because the regs say they dont have to do it, it is still abdicating responsibility.
I'd say with some stations being empty in the evenings they dont want people hanging around the stations, even if they are scavenging or returning bottles.
Maybe if the disability organisation had put their proposition to the Minister for Transport they might have got a better hearing.
The Irish Rail case is a bit threadbare.
Be interested to know why Irish Rail claim having a machine can lead to anti social behaviour. Perhaps they just think they will get more scavengers if machines are there and they will cause messes at the empty stations. I see retail vendors supported them in this claim.
I would be of the opinion if they communicated with the Minister, his office would either tell one to contact Irish Rail or his office would contact Irish Rail and the same response would be given and passed on.
Irish Rail should just ring the Council bat phone. Seems to be unlimited funds for clean up.
I've never heard of any anti social behaviour at RVMs.
I'm pretty sure that RVMs at any unmanned location wouldn't work and the proposal was only for bigger stations.
Yes, it's probably going to take a bit of a campaign to get any movement.
As you say they all know how to play the game.
Still if you get the Minister to take a stand one way or the other it becomes political.
Connolly station security does seem to spend a lot of time just moving people on from the station, I guess they are petty criminals or drug dealers so probably are doing the same to scavengers. I could see why the retailers would not want them hanging around.
Yes, it's probably the lines of Connolly the disability organisation had in mind.
It's still hard to see how RVMs would make things worse.
I was on the Connolly- Sligo train today myself and I must say RVMs in stations never even occurred to me.
I would say scavengers operate as close as possible to rvm machines so as not to have the lug the bottles around with them. Stations need as few people as possible in stations who are not passengers.
To be honest alot of scavengers look pretty worse for wear when they are rifling through bins so a needless distraction for security.
Right, I see what you mean, it would be the scavengers coming in to return their stuff collected elsewhere.
That's a good point I clearly hadn't thought this through.
I was thinking about passengers returning their cans to the RVM and then they wouldn't be in the bins to be scavenged.
Security probably have enough to do.
A bit of good news on the litter front and a reference to building a recycling plant.
Deposit Return Scheme means Ireland has 'cleanest beaches for 25 years' | Newstalk https://share.google/Wet2U6j8Ug40CJ5bs
“Our ambition is to build a recycling plant on the island of Ireland because we currently export all of the material that we collect.“We’re working with the Minister on that project.”
“Our ambition is to build a recycling plant on the island of Ireland because we currently export all of the material that we collect.
“We’re working with the Minister on that project.”
Would that be the same minister (Alan Dillon - Minister For The Circular Economy) who has said he'd rather see our unrefunded deposits ploughed back into the Circular Economy fund instead of spent on a recycling plant?
CEO Foleyo needs to have another chat with the minister by the sound of things.
I have an ambition to live on Mars. Doesnt mean it's going to happen in my lifetime.
An 'article' about Return and litter that doesnt mention the money being spent by councils cleaning up the mess created by Return.
Did Return pay for that article? Or is it just easier and lazier for Newstalk to be their shill?
Because it aint proper journalism that's for sure.
Cleaner beaches and cleaner tidy towns are a good thing all day long.
People messing up cities by dumping containers in the wrong place or littering by bin raiding are problems that needs to be addressed.
Are you just asking questions or do you really think Newstalk are accepting money dishonestly ?
Reread my post. Multiple options were presented. Main point being it is shoddy reporting either way.
Do you really think a proper piece of journalism on Return and litter would fail to also mention the negative impact it has had?
Or are you just asking questions?
It does read very poorly almost like an ad for Return.
You both seem to have missed the link to a segment of the Claire Byrne show.
Give it a listen if you get a chance.
Claire addressed many issues concerning Re-turn.
'Addressed' could mean a lot of things.
Any actual hard questions asked?
Regardless, none of that comes through in the article. The article reads like a Return press release and thats what comes up in a search and in a week's time. It is absolutely pathetic reporting.
You didn't listen to it, did you ?
Nope. Nor should I have to. I responded based on the information provided on the thread and the linked article.
So if the article doesnt actually reflect the content of the interview then what does that say about the article's validity?
So are you going to engage with the actual criticisms of the article you dumped or keep deflecting and can we conclide you think Newstalk dumping a Return press release is good journalism?
Well if you want to critique the journalism of a radio station it helps to listen first.
My link was to the article and radio segment not a press release.
But there is nothing in the press puff piece that can be backed up.
What part are you taking issue with.
It's just a promo piece to get you to listen to the radio segment.
That's Newstalk's business, radio.
All it says is somebody else is saying something that may or not be true. Tidy Town says, Coast Watch report, well I say there are as many cans left on our local beach as there ever were - who is right? At home fine I guess most people recycle but when out littering hasn't improved and why hang on to a drippy drinks can?
Nope. It helps if you provide an actual summary of a 17 minute interview otherwise it is just a dump. You were unable to answer basic questions about the interview also.
You were asked:
No attempt at addressing them even though you were the one who linked to them. Instead just deflections. Proof thst the criticisms are valid.
So lets call a spade a spade
The 'article' is a Return PR puff piece which is obvious to multiple posters on the thread.
But if you think that a PR puff piece passes for acceptable journalism it explains how you end up defending Return and taking their propaganda at face value.
Today's episode of deflect and answer nothing in full swing. Exhausting carry on.
With Re-Turn's massive slush fund of our deposits you'd think they could do a bit better than blatant propaganda / self promotion.
I did add commentary on two points and the radio link was provided.
If anyone is interested they will listen.
